The Triune God.

[Albion]

No they're not a trinity and they can't become like God.

Well, no one thinks that they're identical to God.

But neither are humans, and yet the Bible teaches us that our first parents were made in the image and likeness of God. What would make the angels less so, if we go by the usual interpretation of image and likeness (reasoning ability or free well and immortality) ?

 

[Andrew]

Well, no one thinks that they're identical to God.

But neither are humans, and yet the Bible teaches us that our first parents were made in the image and likeness of God. What would make the angels less so, if we go by the usual interpretation of image and likeness (reasoning ability or free well and immortality) ?

The Sons of God are in his image, I do believe this to be in reference to THEM when God says "let us create men in our image" (after the fall he had them guard the tree of life lest they become like THEM and live forever) ..."come let us go down and confuse their language" (hence if I speak in tongues of Angels or men...)
Later this was taught as the plurality or trinity... we are to become Sons of God in his likeness and take of the Tree of Life.
Remember Lucifer was perfect until iniquity was found in him. Unclean spirits and fallen angels are followers of satans rebellion and became the likeness of evil, but yes originally were in Gods image.

 

[Albion]

The Sons of God are in his image, I do believe this to be in reference to THEM when God says "let us create men in our image" (after the fall he had them guard the tree of life lest they become like THEM and live forever) ..."come let us go down and confuse their language" (hence if I speak in tongues of Angels or men...)
Later this was taught as the plurality or trinity.

For heaven's sake, please get a more competent source of information. These conspiracy theories are really beneath you, I think.

 

[Andrew]

For heaven's sake, please get a more competent source of information. These conspiracy theories are really beneath you, I think.

Because Trinitarians use Genesis as defense of Trinity, it says in our likeness, God is including his Angels he made in his image, is this not a fact?
Again Trinity is a 3rd century idea and you must be a Catholic to believe in it, are you a Catholic Albion?

 

[Imalive]

Well I do look angelic and I have wings.

 

[Andrew]

Athanasian Creed

1. Whosoever will be saved, before all things it is necessary that he hold the catholic faith;

2. Which faith except every one do keep whole and undefiled, without doubt he shall perish everlastingly.

3. And the catholic faith is this: That we worship one God in Trinity, and Trinity in Unity;

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You might as well believe that Mary gave birth to God and is the Mother of the trinity

 

[Andrew]

Well I do look angelic and I have wings.

Well we are not angels but in the likeness of their servitude to God maybe, I can also say that I don't look like God but I have to accept that we are made in his image.
Angels are not God but I believe God included them speaking in plurality.
Men are made a little lower than Angels and Angels are a little lower than God but when God created man I can understand why his higher beings may be included in describing his likeness. I don't know what Adam looked like but they also didnt have belly buttons either we are to become Sons of God which Gods Angels are called, in the likeness of them.
Its all a bit of a mystery, I dont claim I know how all of this works and I think its weird that people can say they know what God is made of.
We shall be transformed

 

[Albion]

Because Trinitarians use Genesis as defense of Trinity, it says in our likeness, God is including his Angels he made in his image, is this not a fact?

To the extent that Trinitarians use Genesis as ONE part of their proof, it's because the Creator is referred to in Genesis by the plural word Elohim.

Again Trinity is a 3rd century idea and you must be a Catholic to believe in it, are you a Catholic Albion?

No, I'm not a Catholic as can be seen on my profile, and almost all Christians of any denomination believe in the Trinity.

You're not even allowed to post on most Christian forums and threads if you don't, it's so intimate to the Christian faith. So you are wrong once again.

 

[Albion]

Athanasian Creed

1. Whosoever will be saved, before all things it is necessary that he hold the catholic faith;

2. Which faith except every one do keep whole and undefiled, without doubt he shall perish everlastingly.

3. And the catholic faith is this: That we worship one God in Trinity, and Trinity in Unity;

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You might as well believe that Mary gave birth to God and is the Mother of the trinity

How so, considering that NOTHING in the material you submitted to us here says anything even close to that?

 

[Andrew]

To the extent that Trinitarians use Genesis as ONE part of their proof, it's because the Creator is referred to in Genesis by the plural word Elohim.


No, I'm not a Catholic as can be seen on my profile, and almost all Christians of any denomination believe in the Trinity.

You're not even allowed to post on most Christian forums and threads if you don't, it's so intimate to the Christian faith. So you are wrong once again.

Elohim is a title not his name. Within Elohim is actually many titles if you look it up in strongs which has the original hebrew meaning. It is plural of El (God) and can refer to godly and judges and shrine.
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2

Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life? 1 Corinthians 6:3

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Do not forget that we shall have a bodily transformation

 

[Andrew]

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How so, considering that NOTHING in the material you submitted to us here says anything even close to that?

Because you must hold the Catholic faith and Trinity is a catholic term the same as Purgatory. I have yet to see evidence in the bible that prove a Trinity, until then I will continue to call on to God in Jesus name.
Catholics believe Mary is the mother of God and that she was sinless, if she was sinless it wouldnt make much since for her to say Jesus is her savior.
Its part of the Catholic faith by which YOU accept the Trinity.

 

[Imalive]

Because you must hold the Catholic faith and Trinity is a catholic term the same as Purgatory. I have yet to see evidence in the bible that prove a Trinity, until then I will continue to call on to God in Jesus name.

Read a book from Michael Brown if you want to know. Jewish objections to Jesus. The real kosher Jesus. He shows em what those gentiles mean w Trinity in the O.T.

 

[Albion]

Because you must hold the Catholic faith and Trinity is a catholic term the same as Purgatory.

Actually, I'm amazed that anyone here would not know (since it is so easy to find out) that almost ALL Christian denominations believe in the Trinity. And if you want to say that the RCC invented it and everyone else just followed along, you are still wrong. Even by use of your own theory about the 3rd century origin, that was a time before the RCC was separate from all the other churches like the Eastern Orthodox, etc. That was the time where the church was still non-denominational. Purgatory, however, didn't come along until about 1200 years later and, as we know, was the creation of the RCC specifically.

I have yet to see evidence in the bible that prove a Trinity...

I believe you. We've given you all sorts of Bible references but you continue to say that you have yet to see evidence. I get that. But on the other hand, neither do you have any other explanation that's based on Scripture. As you've pointed out many times, you believe what you find most convenient to believe, regardless of what the Bible says about the issue.

 

[Andrew]

Actually, I'm amazed that anyone here would not know (since it is so easy to find out) that almost ALL Christian denominations believe in the Trinity. And if you want to say that the RCC invented it and everyone else just followed along, you are still wrong. Even by use of your own theory about the 3rd century origin, that was a time before the RCC was separate from all the other churches like the Eastern Orthodox, etc. That was the time where the church was still non-denominational. Purgatory, however, didn't come along until about 1200 years later and, as we know, was the creation of the RCC specifically.


I believe you. We've given you all sorts of Bible references but you continue to say that you have yet to see evidence. I get that. But on the other hand, neither do you have any other explanation that's based on Scripture. As you've pointed out many times, you believe what you find most convenient to believe, regardless of what the Bible says about the issue.

Well because I do not find evidence of trinity in the bible and because everyone accepts it than it must be true.
You cannot comprehend the mystery of the make up of God, you can not see him here and I do not condemn the belief I am only repeating that I just do not see it because if it is so important to my salvation than the apostles would have taught it, they did not make it an issue they in fact say that all godliness is a mystery. May I respect that?
Is my salvation at stake if I do not see God as three persons? God is a spirit, Jesus is God the Holy Spirit is God and God is God, Jesus is the way of understanding the ONE spirit of God, the HOLY SPIRIT.
When Jesus says "my Father" who is it talking about?

 

[Albion]

Well because I do not find evidence of trinity in the bible and because everyone accepts it than it must be true.

We have referred to the Bible passages and verses that Trinitarians say prove their belief. We cannot make you read them, let alone believe them. But please do not talk as though they don't exist simply because you refuse to look at them.

But of course that doesn't keep you from telling us some nonsense picked up somewhere or other about a person having to be a Catholic if he believes in in the Trinity...or that it was of pagan origin...or that it's fine just to believe whatever is most convenient. If you are not going to discuss with us the verses that are considered proof texts for the Trinity, at least you could just say "No, I'm not going to" rather than giving us a selection of competing theories.

 

[Andrew]

We have referred to the Bible passages and verses that Trinitarians say prove their belief. We cannot make you read them, let alone believe them. But please do not talk as though they don't exist simply because you refuse to look at them.

But of course that doesn't keep you from telling us some nonsense picked up somewhere or other about a person having to be a Catholic if he believes in in the Trinity...or that it was of pagan origin...or that it's fine just to believe whatever is most convenient. If you are not going to discuss with us the verses that are considered proof texts for the Trinity, at least you could just say "No, I'm not going to" rather than giving us a selection of competing theories.

I and my Father are one. Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him. Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me? The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
John 10:30-33

It is very difficult to look back on provided versus explaining trinity because I do not recognise them pertaining to any trinity.
Provide me a link to a website that you agree with concerning trinity versus and I will carefully go over them without any bias as you assume I have.

This verse says person (singular), I come across these very often in the NT and if anything they remind me over and over again that the spirit of God is his power and glory and is one Monotheistic God "I AM" as in the OT.

Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:
Hebrews 1:3

When I see "express" I find "exact" and person I find "singular" who being the brightness of his (Gods) glory IS.

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And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:
Mark 12:29

For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Isaiah 9:6
(The mighty God, The everlasting Father)

 

[Imalive]

https://crosspolitic.com/does-the-ot-teach-the-doctrine-of-trinity/

 

[Andrew]

https://crosspolitic.com/does-the-ot-teach-the-doctrine-of-trinity/

Menno suggested me a book and I bought it. So likewise I want to give this a good read. If anyone else has any suggestions let me know so I can order in bundle.

 

[Andrew]

Well I do look angelic and I have wings.

Hah i read it wrong the first time around, same difference as I am guessing that you don't actually have wings... or DO you?

 

[MoreCoffee]

Athanasian Creed

1. Whosoever will be saved, before all things it is necessary that he hold the catholic faith;

2. Which faith except every one do keep whole and undefiled, without doubt he shall perish everlastingly.

3. And the catholic faith is this: That we worship one God in Trinity, and Trinity in Unity;

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You might as well believe that Mary gave birth to God and is the Mother of the trinity

If you read the whole Athanasian Creed (a task that takes around two minutes if you read slowly) then you'd know what Blessed Mary is the Mother of God incarnate, the Son, and not of the Trinity.