The Triune God.

[Andrew]

We weren't talking about choosing churches. The doctrine of the Trinity is a belief.


You've said this many times. If it's easy to grasp, you'll believe it, even if it's not Biblical. Even if you fashion your own theory. I cannot do that nor can the others here who tried to explain that none of us--you included--is capable of completely understanding the nature of God anyway. That's why they say that it's a mystery, but at least they know what that mystery is and are not falling into saying that Jesus was just a man who taught good things, or that the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are three different gods, like a divine committee, or something else--all of which are easier than belief in the Trinity. But the Trinity is what the Bible teaches.

I dont believe in any of that stuff you claim.
Adding trinity to a monotheistic God is adding confusion and the way I see it, having always believed in simplicity, when I read in revelation "Mystery Babylon" it pertains to the whole trinity idea of Mystery and because its so Confusing (babylon means confusion) I personally see the Trinity as ordained by early Pagan Catholicism IS the Mystery Babylon of revelation and speaks to me today.
Give me ONE scripture that PROVES the mystery of the Godhead

 

[MoreCoffee]

Ok you say God IS spirit, so what about evil spirit? If God is general spirit then that must include all spirit

That isn't right. The holy scriptures say "God is spirit" because Jesus said it to the woman at the well. and your reasoning is faulty. When the holy scriptures say "God is love" it does not thereby make God into the love of money or the love of wickedness.

 

[Albion]

I dont believe in any of that stuff you claim.

No, but it makes as much sense as that which you do believe. And it's easy--that was what you said determined what you'd believe about God.

Adding trinity to a monotheistic God is adding confusion and the way I see it, having always believed in simplicity, when I read in revelation "Mystery Babylon" it pertains to the whole trinity idea of Mystery and because its so Confusing (babylon means confusion) I personally see the Trinity as ordained by early Pagan Catholicism IS the Mystery Babylon of revelation and speaks to me today.

I think you've been listening to the wrong preacher. There's nothing wrong with a mystery simply because we hear of Mystery Babylon. Indeed one of the most comforting passages in Scripture says "I tell you a mystery. We shall not all sleep but we shall all be changed...." 1 Cor. 15:5-52

give me ONE scripture that PROVES the mystery of the Godhead

What's wrong with giving you several?

 

[Andrew]

That isn't right. The holy scriptures say "God is spirit" because Jesus said it to the woman at the well. and your reasoning is faulty. When the holy scriptures say "God is love" it does not thereby make God into the love of money or the love of wickedness.

Alright I can see that.
Could you then say that "a spirit" is the same as "spirit"?. When you add "a" in front of any noun it usually means against that totality no? You imply that "a" (devised) is the same as singular "spirit".
Sorry for the technical lingo but I just want to know if these two versions eventually agree accordingly to your understanding of spirit.

 

[Andrew]

No, but it makes as much sense as that which you do believe. And it's easy--that was what you said determined what you'd believe about God.


I think you've been listening to the wrong preacher. There's nothing wrong with a mystery simply because we hear of Mystery Babylon. Indeed one of the most comforting passages in Scripture says "I tell you a mystery. We shall not all sleep but we shall all be changed...." 1 Cor. 15:5-52


What's wrong with giving you several?

Nothing absolutely is wrong with the mystery, God must have mystery unless we pretend to know it all. Mystery is good dont get me wrong.

 

[Albion]

Alright I can see that.
Could you then say that "a spirit" is the same as "spirit?"

Yes. I just checked 25 of the most popular Bible translations and about half said "spirit" and about half said "a spirit."

 

[MoreCoffee]

Alright I can see that.
Could you then say that "a spirit" is the same as "spirit"?. When you add "a" in front of any noun it usually means against that totality no? You imply that "a" (devised) is the same as singular "spirit".
Sorry for the technical lingo but I just want to know if these two versions eventually agree accordingly to your understanding of spirit.

When you add "a" in front of spirit it makes God into one of many spirits and that is not what the verse teaches. It teaches that God is spirit and that has a meaning in and of itself. God is breath, God is wind, God is spirit all signify that God is life creating, powerful, and invisible.

 

[Andrew]

Yes. I just checked 25 of the most popular Bible translations and about half said "spirit" and about half said "a spirit."

Nevermind then.

Another question.
Is calling out to God in Jesus name scriptural or none scriptural?
(Keep in mind that I am a follower of the Father of Jesus, accepting him (Jesus) is accepting the Father and by default vise versa)

 

[Andrew]

When you add "a" in front of spirit it makes God into one of many spirits and that is not what the verse teaches. It teaches that God is spirit and that has a meaning in and of itself. God is breath, God is wind, God is spirit all signify that God is life creating, powerful, and invisible.

I could conclude likewise against but its not the point. I love the simplicity of calling out to God in Jesus name period.
You may have a more traditional view and thats good for you, I see no wrong in that. I personally see comfort in the name Jesus.

 

[Andrew]

When you add "a" in front of spirit it makes God into one of many spirits and that is not what the verse teaches. It teaches that God is spirit and that has a meaning in and of itself. God is breath, God is wind, God is spirit all signify that God is life creating, powerful, and invisible.

when you add "a" in front of spirit it separates God from other spirits

 

[Imalive]

Sorry I'm bored and thought itd be fun to throw some more confusion in. This is indeed a mystery:

Immediately I was in the Spirit; and behold, a throne set in heaven, and One sat on the throne. 3 And He who sat there was[a] like a jasper and a sardius stone in appearance; and there was a rainbow around the throne, in appearance like an emerald. 4 Around the throne were twenty-four thrones, and on the thrones I saw twenty-four elders sitting, clothed in white robes; and they had crowns of gold on their heads. 5 And from the throne proceeded lightnings, thunderings, and voices. Seven lamps of fire were burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God.

 

[Andrew]

Sorry I'm bored and thought itd be fun to throw some more confusion in. This is indeed a mystery:

Immediately I was in the Spirit; and behold, a throne set in heaven, and One sat on the throne. 3 And He who sat there was[a] like a jasper and a sardius stone in appearance; and there was a rainbow around the throne, in appearance like an emerald. 4 Around the throne were twenty-four thrones, and on the thrones I saw twenty-four elders sitting, clothed in white robes; and they had crowns of gold on their heads. 5 And from the throne proceeded lightnings, thunderings, and voices. Seven lamps of fire were burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God.

What's the fancy word for 7 in the godhead?

 

[Albion]

Sorry I'm bored and thought itd be fun to throw some more confusion in. This is indeed a mystery:

Immediately I was in the Spirit; and behold, a throne set in heaven, and One sat on the throne. 3 And He who sat there was[a] like a jasper and a sardius stone in appearance; and there was a rainbow around the throne, in appearance like an emerald. 4 Around the throne were twenty-four thrones, and on the thrones I saw twenty-four elders sitting, clothed in white robes; and they had crowns of gold on their heads. 5 And from the throne proceeded lightnings, thunderings, and voices. Seven lamps of fire were burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God.

No one really knows, but remember that Revelation was John's vision. It is totally symbolic and not meant to be taken literally. Even John said "I saw" as opposed to "Here's what it means" or something to that effect.

 

[Andrew]

No one really knows, but remember that Revelation was John's vision. It is totally symbolic and not meant to be taken literally. Even John said "I saw" as opposed to "Here's what it means" or something to that effect.

Some of it says "here's what it means"

 

[MoreCoffee]

when you add "a" in front of spirit it separates God from other spirits

God is completely unlike any created spirit.

 

[Andrew]

God is completely unlike any created spirit.

Right, not only is he the creator God he is also the living God. One spirit

 

[MoreCoffee]

Right, not only is he the creator God he is also the living God. One spirit

It is more precise to say God is spirit and created spirits are created images of God.

 

[Andrew]

It is more precise to say God is spirit and created spirits are created images of God.

Could you rephrase that? I can read this two different ways.
Sounds like you said God created other spirits in his image.

 

[Albion]

If we believe that humans were made in the image and likeness of God, wouldn't angels also fit the description?

 

[Imalive]

If we believe that humans were made in the image and likeness of God, wouldn't angels also fit the description?

No they're not a trinity and they can't become like God.