Would you miss them if the creeds were all gone?

[MoreCoffee]

Being raised in a Southern Baptist home in rural Alabama I can honestly say that I never heard any of the Creeds until I was an adult and encountered "high church" services where the creeds are read on Sunday mornings. I also was only vaguely aware of the Westminster Confession, Augsburg Confession and so on.

So would I miss the creeds if they did not exist. Probably not. The Lord managed to bring me to faith and form my faith without exposure to the Creeds or "high Church" Christianity. That doesn't mean I don't appreciate the Creeds and their place in History. I do, even more so after I've studied church history and the theological battles that took place in the early church. I also appreciate the importance and meaning of liturgical services, but I do not believe it is necessary for growing in Grace and Knowledge.

I thought that many from protestant evangelical backgrounds would not miss the creeds were they gone, though their churches are still built upon the creeds to a considerable extent and many doctrines received in those churches have their most careful expression in the creeds; many Statements of Belief from evangelical churches burrow some wording from the creeds, especially when making a statement about the Trinity. So, you would not consciously miss the creeds were they gone but your church might be very different were they gone.

 

[Josiah]

Okay, you keep your war going and use whatever inflammatory language you like to denigrate Catholicism; but I shall regard your posts as toxic whenever they contain the kind of language you use in the post I objected to. It is not really beneficial to have discussions that turn so quickly into a war against Catholicism.

@MoreCoffee

ONCE AGAIN, you deny the obvious, what everyone here can clearly see.


Let's try again....


1. I regard the Catholic Church as a perfectly valid, legitimate church. Mine in no way more valid or legitimate. Will you say the same of The Lutheran Church - Missouri Synod? Yes or No?

2. I consider Catholics to be fully Christian and my full, unseparated, equal brothers and sisters in Christ. Will you say the same of those in the Lutheran Church - Missouri Synod? Yes or No?

3. I regard all the Sacraments of the Catholic Church to be fully valid and legitimate. Mine in no way more valid or legitimate. Will you say the same of those of The Lutheran Church - Missouri Synod? Yes or No?

4. I regard all the clergy and ordinations of the Catholic Church to be 100% valid and legitimate. Our clergy in no way more valid or legitimate. Will you say the same of The Lutheran Church - Missouri Synod? Yes or No?

5. I've read your Catechism (all 756 pages of it). Have you read the Lutheran Catechism? Yes or No?

6. I have a child attending a Catholic school. Do you have a child attending an LCMS school? Yes or No?

7. I take no offense whatsoever when Catholics abbreviate Lutheran Church - Missouri Synod as LCMS. Do you take no offense whatsoever when Lutherans abbreviate Roman Catholic Church as RCC? Yes or No?

I could go on MANY more, but we both know I don't need to.

You won't admit it, but everyone here at CH knows the reality. So maybe this "stop pic'n on us pur Catholics" thing. It's obviously wrong and it's just a dodge. Come on, we all know it.






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[MoreCoffee]

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@MoreCoffee

What didn't you understand in my previous post?

Please cease posting this kind of rubbish to me.

 

[Josiah]

at didn't you understand in my previous post?

You continue to dodge the OBVIOUS. The "anti" one here isn't me.

Let's try again...


1. I regard the Catholic Church as a perfectly valid, legitimate church. Mine in no way more valid or legitimate. Will you say the same of The Lutheran Church - Missouri Synod? Yes or No?

2. I consider Catholics to be fully Christian and my full, unseparated, equal brothers and sisters in Christ. Will you say the same of those in the Lutheran Church - Missouri Synod? Yes or No?

3. I regard all the Sacraments of the Catholic Church to be fully valid and legitimate. Mine in no way more valid or legitimate. Will you say the same of those of The Lutheran Church - Missouri Synod? Yes or No?

4. I regard all the clergy and ordinations of the Catholic Church to be 100% valid and legitimate. Our clergy in no way more valid or legitimate. Will you say the same of The Lutheran Church - Missouri Synod? Yes or No?

5. I've read your Catechism (all 756 pages of it). Have you read the Lutheran Catechism? Yes or No?

6. I have a child attending a Catholic school. Do you have a child attending an LCMS school? Yes or No?

7. I take no offense whatsoever when Catholics abbreviate Lutheran Church - Missouri Synod as LCMS. Do you take no offense whatsoever when Lutherans abbreviate Roman Catholic Church as RCC? Yes or No?

I could go on with MANY more, but we both know I don't need to. It is obvious who is the "anti" here and that your whining and accusations (often in lieu of apologetics) is obvious to everyone here.




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[Albion]

Those seem like perfectly fair questions you asked, Josiah, so I'm somewhat surprised at the reply you got back. But not entirely surprised.

The key ingredient in this kind of exchange (which isn't unique to this thread), is that it is almost an article of faith in the Roman Catholic Church that "non-Catholics" are bent on defaming that church, misrepresenting it, and so on.

As a result, completely normal questions such as you asked are probably not going to be entertained, since they don't accord with the concept that has the Roman Catholic Church being the special target of other Christians, i.e. people who belong to "ecclesial communities," not real churches. It's similar to needing to have "standing" in order to bring an appeal to the Supreme Court.

 

[Ammi]

The ancient churches authored and preserved the creeds that are accepted by nearly all Christians; such as the Nicene creed, the apostle's creed, the formula of Chalcedon, and others. Would you miss them if they were all gone?

No.

 

[Lamb]

I think if the creeds disappeared that they would be replaced with some other "creed" and it might not be biblical.

 

[MoreCoffee]

I think if the creeds disappeared that they would be replaced with some other "creed" and it might not be biblical.

Without the creeds that arose in history under God's guidance and under God's shaping of events of those times and through to today we would almost without doubt have different creeds that may well have been similar to what we have or possibly, in a whole different sort of universe, be erroneous creeds that Arius or some other ancient heretic composed. But God promised that the Church would not be overcome by the gates of hell, and that promise is, to a degree, fulfilled in the creeds.