Where is the Pentecostal prefix?

[MoreCoffee]

I'm a bit confused, are you making a asumption that Pentecostals or other movements similar to are dangerous?

Just as there are differences between Catholics, and Lutherans, there are differences between Pentecostals and Charismatics.

The odd thing is you do not find Pentecostals or Charismatics practicing any of the ceremonies of Catholicism, but there are Catholics who practice Charismatic doctrines.

If someone's soul was in peril when they died,
Correct me if I am wrong in assuming that Catholics believe that for a ,modest fee a soul can be prayed out of purgatory.

The condition of purgatory is only allowed for people who die in a form of grace but not enough to make Heaven ,they need some help from the earnest prayer of a Catholic Priest.

I am certainly glad that Pentecostals and Charismatics believe that Christ Jesus is the only way ,the only truth and the only way to eternal life.

I do not find any results when Judas prayed the sins would be blotted out from the dead,as well no reference to a soul holding place prior to a dead man's destination.

But in Paul's epistemology he teaches to be absent from the body is to be present with
the Lord.

The Book of Mackabees was constructed in 2nd century BC that is before Christ.
It's context considers the invasion of the Greeks the Abomination of Desolation as referenced by Daniel.

I find it a bit odd that 200 years later Christ made the same reference pertaining to his second coming.
Matthew: 24. 15. When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand 16. Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: 17. Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house: 18. Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes. 19. And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!

I do not think theology based on Christ is in peril at all.

So much for Eucumenical standards.

Odd that you'd say Pentecostals do not practise any Catholic 'ceremonies' when they baptise, have a lord's supper, read scripture aloud to the congregation, pray, sing hymns and psalms, etcetera.

 

[Hebrews 11]

Odd that you'd say Pentecostals do not practise any Catholic 'ceremonies' when they baptise, have a lord's supper, read scripture aloud to the congregation, pray, sing hymns and psalms, etcetera.

Most denominations that I know of hold communion service, or lords supper.
It is a sacrament that Christ comanded to do this in remembrance of me.
Paul taught in 1st Corinthians how it was to be conducted.

The main difference between Evangelicals and Catholics would be that Catholics believe the wafer is the actual body and the wine is the actual blood of Christ.
During the ceremony Catholics believe Christ himself comes down from the cross and Tran figures through the Priest.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Most denominations that I know of hold communion service, or lords supper.
It is a sacrament that Christ comanded to do this in remembrance of me.
Paul taught in 1st Corinthians how it was to be conducted.

The main difference between Evangelicals and Catholics would be that Catholics believe the wafer is the actual body and the wine is the actual blood of Christ.
During the ceremony Catholics believe Christ himself comes down from the cross and Tran figures through the Priest.

The point I was making is that baptism, the Lord's supper, scripture reading in church, public prayers in church, singing psalms and hymns etcetera all were in use among Catholics for about 1,900 years before any Pentecostal denomination existed.

 

[seekingsolace]

The point I was making is that baptism, the Lord's supper, scripture reading in church, public prayers in church, singing psalms and hymns etcetera all were in use among Catholics for about 1,900 years before any Pentecostal denomination existed.

Practices such as that also pre-date Catholicism.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Practices such as that also pre-date Catholicism.

Surely not Christian baptism nor the Lord's supper; these were instituted by the Lord when he created his Church and gave the new covenant in his blood and the Catholic Church is the Church that the Lord created nor can singing Christian hymns and the psalms in a Christian church come before the birth of the Church that Christ created and the many other rites and practises of the Church cannot come before that Church is created by her Lord.

 

[psalms 91]

Why do you insist that it is the Catholic church that was founded by Jesus? If so where are the 70 that judged things in Jerusalem? Why a pope which Paul never mentions at all, lets face it, the first church was more pentecostal than you would want to admit

 

[MoreCoffee]

Why do you insist that it is the Catholic church that was founded by Jesus?

Because it is what I believe and because it is also what history and the holy scriptures show; the name "Catholic" was in use in the first century AD, not immediately but it did not take too long for it to be needed to distinguish the Church that the Lord created from the various schismatic and heretical sects that arose during the apostles' life times. The first surviving written use of the name "Catholic Church" is from between 90 D and 110 AD and it was without doubt in use before that date since it used in the letters of saint Ignatius of Antioch shortly before his martyrdom. From his time onwards the name that distinguished the Church that Christ created from schismatics was "Catholic Church".

If so where are the 70 that judged things in Jerusalem? Why a pope which Paul never mentions at all, lets face it, the first church was more pentecostal than you would want to admit

These other questions that you raise really have very little to do with the use of the name "Catholic Church", they might be better in separate threads if you really want to deal with them. I do not expect you or anybody else to agree with everything that the Catholic Church teaches since you're not a Catholic but we can discuss the name without any acrimony, right?

 

[seekingsolace]

Surely not Christian baptism nor the Lord's supper; these were instituted by the Lord when he created his Church and gave the new covenant in his blood and the Catholic Church is the Church that the Lord created nor can singing Christian hymns and the psalms in a Christian church come before the birth of the Church that Christ created and the many other rites and practises of the Church cannot come before that Church is created by her Lord.

Practices such as that also pre-date Catholicism.

 

[psalms 91]

Because it is what I believe and because it is also what history and the holy scriptures show; the name "Catholic" was in use in the first century AD, not immediately but it did not take too long for it to be needed to distinguish the Church that the Lord created from the various schismatic and heretical sects that arose during the apostles' life times. The first surviving written use of the name "Catholic Church" is from between 90 D and 110 AD and it was without doubt in use before that date since it used in the letters of saint Ignatius of Antioch shortly before his martyrdom. From his time onwards the name that distinguished the Church that Christ created from schismatics was "Catholic Church".



These other questions that you raise really have very little to do with the use of the name "Catholic Church", they might be better in separate threads if you really want to deal with them. I do not expect you or anybody else to agree with everything that the Catholic Church teaches since you're not a Catholic but we can discuss the name without any acrimony, right?

Perhaps the problem arises in definition of the word Catholic? I see it as a term for all the church, not a denom, while you see it as the denom. I would also ask you why Jesus's broither is listed as the ehad of the church(who Paul took the matter of the gentiles to) in Jerusalem in Acts rather than Peter.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Practices such as that also pre-date Catholicism.

Nothing that is specifically Christian pre-dates the creation of the Christian Church.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Perhaps the problem arises in definition of the word Catholic? I see it as a term for all the church, not a denom, while you see it as the denom. I would also ask you why Jesus's broither is listed as the ehad of the church(who Paul took the matter of the gentiles to) in Jerusalem in Acts rather than Peter.

The word "Catholic" has its roots in history, and was first applied to the Church that is still called Catholic today; some quibble about popes and this or that dogma but none can truthfully deny that the Catholic Church of the second and subsequent centuries believed the doctrines and practised the rites that the Catholic Church today does. The Lord supper was partaking of the body and blood of the Lord and not eating symbols thereof, baptism saved and was not merely a testimony about this and that human being's faith, there were bishops and priests and deacons and a hierarchy and teaching about the Blessed Trinity (though the name Trinity took a little while to coin) and the incarnation and freedom from civil and ceremonial obligations of the old covenant were all marks of the one holy catholic and apostolic church.