What does the Bible say about "wine"? Are Christians to drink it?

[tango]

I noticed the words "looks like" in the response, which is a subjective perspective from an individual, who has (obviously) not read the material in full at all, nor understood the materials primary point (even in the title) itself. No, a person, whom is a Christian (a king and priest of the Most high God), is forbidden to drink of alcohol (a symbol of woe, sorrow, decay and death itself). The premise of the OP linked material has nothing to do with the responses "if you want to", which is again another individual subjective perspective, which has set itself up in the place of God's words (Bible), which is the definer of doctrine and practice, the law of God (Exo. 20:1-17) as being over (and written upon) the head of the Christian. Such an ideology replaces the words of God, for "I" (personal preference), "if you want to").


The entire premise of the OP's linked material, from scripture, is the Christian is forbidden to drink alcohol - at all. The position itself, established from many scriptures, is that drunkenness is also a sin, as well as drinking alcohol.


The pure juice of the grape is given, in scripture for health, life, joy and blessing.

Here is what the scriptures say of those (in scripture) who have reversed the words of God, to suit their own bellies:

Isa_5:20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!​

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Php_3:19 Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.)​

It would be very unwise, and more than simply dangerous physically to consume alcohol, it can be everlastingly destructive, as it also affects the mind / spirit. Consider the brain / gut connection itself in any scientific work (including the scripture first and foremost).

Lots of words to turn something into something else. Throw in a little bit of implied assertion without a shred of evidence and you've almost got yourself some circular reasoning.

In the meantime I think I'll continue to enjoy the things God created, in appropriate moderation. But thanks for a wall of words that fails to make a useful point.

 

[BluePrints]

Lots of words to turn something into something else. Throw in a little bit of implied assertion without a shred of evidence and you've almost got yourself some circular reasoning.

In the meantime I think I'll continue to enjoy the things God created, in appropriate moderation. But thanks for a wall of words that fails to make a useful point.

A text, on the subject of the OP:

Amo_6:12 Shall horses run upon the rock? will one plow there with oxen? for ye have turned judgment into gall, and the fruit of righteousness into hemlock:​

It is something we should all be careful to think upon, so that we do not become like those of old:

Isa 28:7 But they also have erred through wine, and through strong drink are out of the way; the priest and the prophet have erred through strong drink, they are swallowed up of wine, they are out of the way through strong drink; they err in vision, they stumble in judgment.​

Isa 28:8 For all tables are full of vomit and filthiness, so that there is no place clean.​

History repeats itself (Ecc. 1:9, 3:15), and we are lovingly warned against doing what they of old did, as it is written:

1Co_10:11 Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.​

 

[tango]

You know it's possible to have a glass of wine without it ruling your life, right?

 

[BluePrints]

You know it's possible to have a glass of wine without it ruling your life, right?

If a person has one ("a glass of wine"), it is already ruling their life, for they have not allowed the word of God to rule their life, for it is plain what alcohol is, in its very essence, its nature; a "deceive[r]", "mocker" and "rag[ing]" (Pro. 20:1), even as the devil is. Instead, they love to have their mind affected unto death, as well their other precious organs, see starting on page 83 and moving forward - The Two Wines - The Blessed & The Cursed : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

Rom 12:1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.​

Rom 12:2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.​

Body & Mind. Please reconsider the consequences of the sons of Aaron:

Lev 10:1 And Nadab and Abihu, the sons of Aaron, took either of them his censer, and put fire therein, and put incense thereon, and offered strange fire before the LORD, which he commanded them not.​

Lev 10:2 And there went out fire from the LORD, and devoured them, and they died before the LORD.​

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Lev 10:9 Do not drink wine nor strong drink, thou, nor thy sons with thee, when ye go into the tabernacle of the congregation, lest ye die: it shall be a statute for ever throughout your generations:​

Lev 10:10 And that ye may put difference between holy and unholy, and between unclean and clean;​

The alcohol affected their judgment. They relied upon their own thinking, and it cost them. It will always have a cost. The law of sowing and reaping, will bear its results, some 30, some 60, some 100 fold. Just because some people do not see an outward loss, the internal loss is still present, bit by bit.

 

[tango]

If a person has one ("a glass of wine"), it is already ruling their life, for they have not allowed the word of God to rule their life, for it is plain what alcohol is, in its very essence, its nature; a "deceive[r]", "mocker" and "rag[ing]" (Pro. 20:1), even as the devil is. Instead, they love to have their mind affected unto death, as well their other precious organs, see starting on page 83 and moving forward - The Two Wines - The Blessed & The Cursed : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

Rom 12:1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.​

Rom 12:2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.​

Body & Mind. Please reconsider the consequences of the sons of Aaron:

Lev 10:1 And Nadab and Abihu, the sons of Aaron, took either of them his censer, and put fire therein, and put incense thereon, and offered strange fire before the LORD, which he commanded them not.​

Lev 10:2 And there went out fire from the LORD, and devoured them, and they died before the LORD.​

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Lev 10:9 Do not drink wine nor strong drink, thou, nor thy sons with thee, when ye go into the tabernacle of the congregation, lest ye die: it shall be a statute for ever throughout your generations:​

Lev 10:10 And that ye may put difference between holy and unholy, and between unclean and clean;​

The alcohol affected their judgment. They relied upon their own thinking, and it cost them. It will always have a cost. The law of sowing and reaping, will bear its results, some 30, some 60, some 100 fold. Just because some people do not see an outward loss, the internal loss is still present, bit by bit.

... and here come the same tired arguments presented over and over and over again. You can misapply verses to "prove" pretty much anything you want to "prove"

Ultimately what your argument is boiling down to here is a few verses pulled out of context and a vague "don't be like the world, the world drinks, so don't drink".

I can do that too. The world eats food so maybe we shouldn't eat food. The world wears clothes so maybe we should walk around naked. Hm. On second thoughts maybe we might be better to look at what Scripture means rather than trying to twist it to make a point that isn't there.

 

[BluePrints]

... and here come the same tired arguments presented over and over and over again.

Only to some, are the facts of alcohol 'tiring' (a depressant), as they wear upon their conscience and body, until the day, that conscience is seared beyond repair and the body broken in consequences. As for instance,

"... Your liver doesn't register a glass of wine any differently from a mixed cocktail – it only processes alcohol. ...​

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... 'Generally speaking, one standard drink (eg, one can of beer or one glass of wine, or one shot of 80-proof distilled spirits) peaks in the bloodstream about one hour after consumption,' he explains.​

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It takes about five half-lives to process and eliminate alcohol from your system completely, where the the half-life of alcohol tends to be about four to five hours, explains Dr Singh. 'In turn, it takes about a day for the body to fully clear one serving of alcohol.' ..."​

" - This Is How Long Alcohol Really Stays in Your System​

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"... Q: Does drinking alcohol kill brain cells?​

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A: Alcohol is a neurotoxin that can disrupt communications of the brain. It also affects the functions of brain cells. This can lead to intellectual impairment, headaches, memory loss, slowed thinking, slurred speech, and trouble with balance and coordination. Excessive drinking can affect your nervous system, causing numbness and pain in your hands and feet, seizures and dementia.​

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Alcohol also is toxic to a developing brain during pregnancy and can cause congenital disabilities, including developmental disorders. ...​

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... alcohol is a depressant. ...​

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... Q: Does drinking alcohol increase the odds of catching a cold?​

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A: Yes. Alcohol can weaken your immune system. This can make it harder for your body to resist diseases and increase your risk for illnesses like colds, COVID-19 and pneumonia. ..." - https://www.mayoclinichealthsystem....health/does-drinking-alcohol-kill-brain-cells​

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"... Alcohol is classified as a depressant because it slows down the central nervous system, causing a decrease in motor coordination, reaction time and intellectual performance. ..." - Alcohol and Your Body​

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"... Where Does Absorption Happen? The primary areas for alcohol absorption are the stomach and small intestine. It’s not like other nutrients that need special transporters. Instead, alcohol sneaks through the cell walls via a process called passive diffusion. Think of it like a crowd of people filtering through a doorway rather than using a formal system. This process occurs along concentration gradients, moving from areas of higher concentration (your stomach and gut) to lower concentration (your blood). ..." - How Your Body Processes Alcohol: A Journey from Drink to Done - Kyla Lee: Vancouver DUI Lawyer​

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"... Just one glass of wine can affect your body in a bunch of ways in the 24 hours after you drink it, from your sleep to your heart rate. ...​

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... "A single glass of wine could also be dehydrating if you are not well hydrated before drinking the wine," Dr. Bhuyan tells Bustle. You might feel a little fuzzy and more likely to giggle and forget trivia questions, but that won't last either. "Changes to thinking, coordination and memory likely will resolve by the next day," Dr. Pathak says.​

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The one area where one glass of wine might really dent your day-after buzz is your sleep. "Alcohol can cause sleep disturbance, so you may be more fatigued or tired the next day," Dr. Pathak says. ..." - How One Glass Of Wine Affects Your Body The Next Day, According To Doctors​

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"... When alcohol enters your bloodstream, it widens your blood vessels. ...​

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... Alcohol affects your brain first, then your kidneys, lungs and liver. ...​

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... Alcohol dulls the parts of your brain that control how your body works. This affects your actions and your ability to make decisions and stay in control. Alcohol influences your mood and can also make you feel down or aggressive. ...​

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... Alcohol is a diuretic and increases urine production. When you drink alcohol, you need to urinate more often. This causes thirst and dehydration. ..." - What happens when you drink alcohol​

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"... And as for that belief that a glass of wine a day is good for you, a recent study found no health benefits of moderate drinking, while imbibing more carries significant health risks, particularly cardiovascular disease. Some of the other health issues caused by alcohol include cancers (especially head and neck, esophageal, breast, colorectal and liver), depression and anxiety, physical dependence, liver disease, dementia, sleep issues and, of course, injuries and accidents. ..." - https://rightasrain.uwmedicine.org/well/prevention/your-body-on-alcohol​

... to be continued ...

 

[BluePrints]

... continued ...

You can misapply verses to "prove" pretty much anything you want to "prove"

Undocumented, undemonstrated, unevidenced accusation & may be safely ignored.

Ultimately what your argument is boiling down to here is a few verses pulled out of context and a vague "don't be like the world, the world drinks, so don't drink".

When many read the Bible, they read through 'beer-goggles', because it allows them to continue in a lifestyle that they have already chosen to live in, or that the (lost) 'world' accepts as their 'norm', and thus 'justify' (at least to themselves) that life, so deadening the mind (as alcohol always does) that it does not desire to come out of its cognitive dissonance and face the truth. Such a mind desires instead to slumber on until there is to be no waking from that deadly and delusive dreaming. The woman of Rev. 17 drinks a 'cup of wine' too, and it has caused her thinking to be impaired beyond repair, just as those in Jesus' day were affected:

Joh_16:2 They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service.​

I can do that too.

Have you heard of the fallacy of the "strawman"?

The world eats food so maybe we shouldn't eat food.

The "world" is not the Christian's example; Jesus is (Jhn. 13:15; 1 Pet. 2:21). Some things 'look good for food' but are not actually for food:

Gen_3:6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.​

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After partaking the effects were already working. Death (Gen. 2:17). Eve had at first thought that her partaking benefited her, only later to realize, too late, it destroyed her.

The world wears clothes so maybe we should walk around naked.

Are you familiar with the fallacy of category error, and incorrect comparison, such as 'apples to oranges'? Again, what the "world" does is not the Christians example.

Hm. On second thoughts

This is the problem with personal individual biased thinking. It logically starts in a fallacy, and ends in a worse one. A christian looks to God's thoughts:

Isa_55:8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.​

maybe we might be better to look at what Scripture means

God defines what God means, in scripture, "line upon line" (Isa. 28:10,13). There is no "we" (you & I) here. I am not together with you in your position. Alcohol is rebellion against life, health and Heaven.

rather than trying to twist it to make a point that isn't there.

I agree that mankind ought not "wrest" God's word to their own destruction, as the Christian is warned:

Psa_56:5 Every day they wrest my words: all their thoughts are against me for evil.​

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2Pe_3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.​

 

[tango]

... and another wall of words that proves precisely nothing. Well done.

 

[BluePrints]

... and another wall of words that proves precisely nothing. Well done.

Thank you for continuing to support this thread!

"... Alcohol contributes to more than 200 diseases and injury-related health conditions and the central nervous system (CNS) is particularly vulnerable to alcohol toxicity. ..." - Role of MCP-1 and CCR2 in Alcohol Neurotoxicity - PMC​

From the World Health Organization:

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General facts about alcohol​

• Alcohol is a toxic, psychoactive, dependence-producing substance.
• One in every 11 deaths in the WHO European Region is due to alcohol consumption. About 800 000 deaths a year result from alcohol use in the Region, almost a third of the global total of 2.6 million deaths. This means that death resulting from alcohol consumption is almost 3 times as common in the WHO Europe Region as it is globally.
• The European Union (EU), comprising around half of the WHO European Region by population, is the heaviest-drinking area in the world. Seven of the 10 countries with the highest per-capita alcohol consumption are in the EU.
• Cancer is the leading cause of deaths due to alcohol consumption in the EU, making up a third of the bloc’s alcohol-attributable deaths.
• The total per-capita alcohol consumption of a country is closely related to the prevalence of alcohol-related harm found in the country, including the prevalence of alcohol use disorders (AUDs).
• AUDs are a range of conditions where drinking causes harm to physical or mental health, or leads to serious problems in daily life. Alcohol dependence is the most severe form, sometimes referred to by the outdated term “alcoholism”. AUDs have significant effects on people’s health and well-being. In the WHO European Region, more than 1 in every 11 adults experiences alcohol use disorders.

Effects of alcohol on your health​

• Alcohol consumption is causally linked to over 200 health conditions, including liver diseases, road injuries, violence, cancers, cardiovascular diseases, suicides, tuberculosis, and HIV/AIDS.
• For these conditions, there’s a direct link between the amount of alcohol consumed and the risk of developing the disease or dying from it – the more alcohol you drink, the higher the risk.
• There are at least 30 health conditions that would not exist without alcohol consumption, such as alcoholic liver disease, fetal alcohol spectrum disorders, alcoholic pancreatitis or alcohol poisoning.
• Cardiovascular diseases are the leading cause of death resulting from alcohol in the WHO European Region, followed by cancers, digestive diseases and injuries.
• Alcohol consumption directly affects the developing brain, particularly areas involved in decision-making ability, impulse regulation and self-control. The human brain continues to develop until around the age of 25, and during this period, it is particularly vulnerable to the effects of alcohol. For example, early onset of alcohol use is strongly associated with an increased risk of alcohol use disorders later in life.
• Alcohol consumption is responsible for 1 in 4 deaths of 19–24-year-olds in the WHO European Region, mainly due to injuries.
• Alcohol use can impact mental health by increasing the risk of disorders like depression and anxiety, and worsening existing conditions. It can lead to mood swings, impulsive behaviour, and elevate the risk of self-harm and suicide. Additionally, alcohol can disrupt sleep patterns and affect social and occupational functioning, which can aggravate mental health issues and create a cycle of deterioration.

Alcohol and cancer​

• Alcohol is a toxic, psychoactive substance linked to over 200 diseases and conditions, including 7 types of cancer.
• Drinking even small amounts of alcohol increases the risk of cancer, and the more alcohol you drink, the higher the risk becomes.
• Alcohol is classified as a Group 1 carcinogen by the International Agency for Research on Cancer, meaning it is known to cause cancer in humans. The risk is cumulative, so the more alcohol a person drinks over time, the higher their likelihood of developing alcohol-related cancers, such as those of the breast, liver, mouth, throat, oesophagus, and colon.
• Any alcoholic beverage can cause cancer because the ethanol in alcoholic beverages and the acetaldehyde it produces in the body are carcinogenic (can cause or promote the development of cancer).

Alcohol and society​

• Alcohol harms individuals, families, and communities, including those who are affected by other people’s alcohol consumption.
• Alcohol use can cause or exacerbate social, legal, medical, domestic, school, work, and financial problems.
• Low-income populations experience disproportionate harms from alcohol consumption, compared to other societal groups. Reducing alcohol consumption across populations benefits low-income populations and reduces health inequalities.
• The economic costs of alcohol to societies are significant and include health-care expenses for treating alcohol-related conditions, including costs from accidents and injuries, losses in workplace productivity due to absenteeism, presenteeism and premature death, legal and crime-related expenses of the judicial system, as well as increased expenditures for social services. In all countries of the Region, these costs are estimated to far exceed the revenue governments gain from alcohol taxes.
• Alcohol consumption undermines commitments to achieve at least 13 of the 17 Sustainable Development Goals, impacting a range of health-related indicators, such as child health, infectious diseases, and road injuries, as well as a much broader range of indicators related to economic and social development, environment and equality.
• Public health strategies that aim to reduce overall alcohol consumption, such as increasing alcohol taxes, regulating availability, and limiting alcohol marketing, can be particularly effective in mitigating disparities and improving health outcomes for low-income groups. ..." - Alcohol use

 

[tango]

That's a gripping read I have to say, and is also totally irrelevant to whether Christians are prohibited from drinking alcohol in moderation.

For one who wrote a lengthy post about logical fallacies the irony is, well, ironic.

 

[BluePrints]

That's a gripping read I have to say,

Thank you. It is indeed.

and is also totally irrelevant to whether Christians are prohibited from drinking alcohol in moderation.

Not at all. It is scientific demonstration of the scriptures I already provided in the OP linked material, as well as throughout. However, thank you again, for citing 'you' in response. The evidence is clearly upon the side of the OP in both scriptural and scientific backing. For those that merely have 'themselves' in evidence, the OP is by not any means in danger of being overthrown.

For one who wrote a lengthy post about logical fallacies the irony is, well, ironic.

"lengthy"? That is subjective (to 'you', and individually) terminology, and has no "strict metric" by which to judge from a foundational basis. Since the response is, again, just 'you' citing 'you', and since I did not (and do not) base the OP and the subsequent linked material, and following evidential responses on 'you' (that would be quite brainless of me), but rather scripture, science and the rules of logic, there is not much to respond to here. Yet, thank you for participating in this thread, as it keeps the subject in the forefront, and for that I do truly appreciate you, even if you are contrary.

 

[tango]

Thank you. It is indeed.


Not at all. It is scientific demonstration of the scriptures I already provided in the OP linked material, as well as throughout. However, thank you again, for citing 'you' in response. The evidence is clearly upon the side of the OP in both scriptural and scientific backing. For those that merely have 'themselves' in evidence, the OP is by not any means in danger of being overthrown.


"lengthy"? That is subjective (to 'you', and individually) terminology, and has no "strict metric" by which to judge from a foundational basis. Since the response is, again, just 'you' citing 'you', and since I did not (and do not) base the OP and the subsequent linked material, and following evidential responses on 'you' (that would be quite brainless of me), but rather scripture, science and the rules of logic, there is not much to respond to here. Yet, thank you for participating in this thread, as it keeps the subject in the forefront, and for that I do truly appreciate you, even if you are contrary.

If you had done any such thing we might have a productive discussion. But this is going nowhere, nuance is lost, and I honestly see little point continuing. Which isn't a surprise really, just about every thread I've ever seen along these lines usually ends up going the same way.

 

[BluePrints]

If you had done any such thing we might have a productive discussion.

Oh, I am sorry you feel that way. I did my utmost best to engage with you, in multiple ways.

But this is going nowhere ...

No, I disagree (obviously), as it is still going forward and cannot be overthrown, as it is of God (Act. 5:39; 2 Cor. 13:8), like it was designed to be, and I still appreciate you for that!

..., nuance is lost,...

You are free (at the moment, by God's grace) to have any opinion you want. I am glad you feel free to express your opinion here continually, however, it is not opinion that I can base my position on (such as the OP position), as it must be scripture (Pro. 20:1, &c.) as provided in several responses now.

... and I honestly ...

Well, if you think so, as I can only take what you say and judge it by scripture (Isa. 8:20).

see little point continuing. ...

Oh, that is rather saddening, as you have been so helpful up to that point in furthering the cause of the truth of the OP and linked material.

Which isn't a surprise really, ...

No, I suspect not, as I am not surprised at the responses to the OP position either, having studied this subject, and written on this subject for years.

just about every thread I've ever seen along these lines usually ends up going the same way.

Have you participated in them all, or were merely observer in some, or all? (Just curious.) Have your responses (if you have participated in any previous such-like threads) been similar in them as in this thread? If so, I can see why the similar threads "usually ends up going the same way" as at present. Those which merely cite 'themselves' ("I've seen", is a personal individual experience) in response, are never going to overthrow the powerful materials provided in scripture, history, science (and even logic), linguistics (such as the word "intoxication", in conjunction to alcohol) and / or any other fields that relate to the subject. Those who expect differing results, when the responses are simply 'themselves', ought not to expect any differing results or outcomes, and will result in the furtherance of the facts of the OP (or like threads) over 'themselves'.

Perhaps you might consider other materials, besides the OP linked material.

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The Bible Wine Question. The Answer To The ‘Unanswerable’: Or An Exposure Of The Fallacies Of Three Irish Advocates (Professors Watts, Wallace And Murphy) And Eleven Syrian Witnesses; By Frederick Richard Lees - The Bible Wine Question

Bible Wines: on, The Laws of Fermentation and Wines of the Ancients; by Rev. William Patton, D.D. - Bible Wines​

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No Drinking - Some ancient wines not even mildly intoxicating. Others were intoxicating. - No Drinking​

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The Christian and Alcohol by Doug Batchelor - Amazing Facts Pocket Book Doug Batchelor The Christian And Alcohol : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive​

..." - The Two Wines - The Blessed & The Cursed : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive​

 

[Lamb]

"No longer drink only water, but use a little wine for the sake of your stomach and your frequent ailments." 1 Tomothy 5:23

I noticed you didn't address this verse.

 

[BluePrints]

"No longer drink only water, but use a little wine for the sake of your stomach and your frequent ailments." 1 Tomothy 5:23

I noticed you didn't address this verse.

In the OP linked material, it is fully addressed, on pages 47-50 (here - The Two Wines - The Blessed & The Cursed : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive ) . Did you consider (Pro. 18:13,17) it, even in brief? It was given for the edification of all. If you need me to copy that material here, I can, just let me know, but since it is already provided once in the OP linked material, I will only do so if needful, so that you may see that answer, from scripture.

Yet, I will provide the brief opening on it:​

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Paul to Timothy & drink ... a little wine (1 Tim. 5:23 KJB):​

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1 Timothy 5:23 KJB - Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach’s sake and thine often infirmities.​

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In 1 Timothy 5:23 KJB, Paul gives some medical advice, with the aid of Luke, the “beloved physician” (Col. 4:14 KJB; “Only Luke is with me. ...” - 2 Tim. 4:11 KJB), to Timothy about his “stomach’s sake and ... often infirmities”, and tells him to not merely drink only water, but to also “use a little wine” for those illnesses. It would be very dangerous to assume in this instance that Paul, Luke and the Holy Spirit advocated to Timothy to drink fermented (alcoholic) “wine” to be cured of his diseases, and especially stomach ailments (as alcohol causes stomach ailments; Isa. 28:8 KJB). Caution is needed here, lest any advocate sin and rebellion towards God. Christians are warned in the Epistles of Paul to Timothy, by the Holy Spirit Himself, that such dangers would come, even from those professing Christianity and having a “form of godliness” but are rather “deceived” (Pro. 20:1 KJB, “deceived thereby”) and “speaking lies in hypocrisy” (1 Tim. 4:1 KJB), as seducing spirits always work through alcohol, and why such is euphemistically called “spirits” (Isa. 5:11-14,20-23; 28:1,3,7-8; Dan. 5:4; Mic. 2:11; Eph. 5:16,18 KJB). ..."​

Consider the already provided science on the assault of alcohol on the stomach:
- What does the Bible say about "wine"? Are Christians to drink it?
- What does the Bible say about "wine"? Are Christians to drink it?

 

[tango]

"No longer drink only water, but use a little wine for the sake of your stomach and your frequent ailments." 1 Tomothy 5:23

I noticed you didn't address this verse.

But wine doesn't mean wine. Because, well, obviously. It's a different wine. That's why it's called wine. And remember not to be like the world because, well, reasons. Oh yes, and you wrote Tomothy instead of Timothy so that invalidates your argument. Don't forget to not drink any wine.

 

[Frankj]

Just a little interjection here for consideration: Some people seem to have gone to the Alex Jones school of theology, form an opinion or doctrine first then look for evert thing possible that can be somehow be used to support it and totally ignore and deny every thing that does not.

And they have a tendency to think that they, and only they, are right in their views.

 

[BluePrints]

But wine doesn't mean wine.

Incorrect. "wine" always means "wine", but the word "wine" has differing sub-definitions. This was shown in the OP linked materials:

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Etymology Online:​

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“Old English win “wine,” from Proto-Germanic *winam (source also of Old Saxon, Old Frisian, Old High German win, Old Norse vin, Dutch wijn, German Wein), an early borrowing from Latin vinum “wine,” from PIE *uoin-a-, related to words for “wine” in other southern European languages (Greek oinos, Albanian Ghegvênë), also Armenian (gini), Hittite (uiian(a)-), and non-Indo-European Georgian and West Semitic (Arabic wain, Hebrew yayin).” - Wine - Etymology, Origin & Meaning ..." - The Two Wines - The Blessed & The Cursed : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive​

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Jewish Encyclopedia Online, while far from perfect, states at the beginning, that:​

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“WINE. ...​

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The juice of the grape is the subject of special praise in the Scriptures. ...” - WINE - JewishEncyclopedia.com ...​

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... Meteorlogica Book IV; part 10 [Translated by E. W. Webster]:​

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[English] “... Sweet wine does give off fumes, for it contains fat and behaves like oil. It does not solidify under the influence of cold and it is apt to burn. Really it is not wine at all in spite of its name: for it does not taste like wine and consequently does not inebriate as ordinary wine does. ...​

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... (Wine is a liquid which raises a difficulty: for it is both liable to evaporation and it also thickens; for instance new wine does. The reason is that the word ‘wine’ is ambiguous and different ‘wines’ behave in different ways. ...” - The Internet Classics Archive: 441 searchable works of classical literature ..." - The Two Wines - The Blessed & The Cursed : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive​

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Dictionary Online:​

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“Wine – noun​

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... [3]. the juice, fermented or unfermented, of various other fruits or plants, used as a beverage, sauce, etc. ...” - http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/wine​

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Merriam-Webster’s Dictionary Online:​

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“Wine – noun​

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... something that invigorates or intoxicates.” - http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/wine​

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Invigorates? What does this word mean?​

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Merriam-Webster Online:​

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“invigorate verb ...​

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... to give life and energy to : animate​

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also : stimulate sense 1” - https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/invigorate​

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Intoxicates? What does this word mean?​

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Merriam-Webster Online:​

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“Intoxicate - transitive verb​

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1 poison​

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2 a : to excite or stupefy by alcohol or a drug especially to the point where physical and mental control is markedly diminished b : to excite or elate to the point of enthusiasm or frenzy” - http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/intoxicate​

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Merriam-Webster Online:​

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“toxic adjective ...​

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1 : containing or being poisonous material especially when capable of causing death or serious debilitation​

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toxic waste​

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a toxic radioactive gas​

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an insecticide highly toxic to birds​

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2 : exhibiting symptoms of infection or toxicosis​

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the patient became toxic two days later​

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3 : extremely harsh, malicious, or harmful​

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toxic sarcasm​

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4 : relating to or being an asset that has lost so much value that it cannot be sold on the market" - https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/toxic ..." - The Two Wines - The Blessed & The Cursed : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive​

Because, well, obviously.

It is quite obvious according to the several provided official definitions and etymologies.

It's a different wine.

Now you are getting it!

That's why it's called wine.

Yes! Exactly! Did you read the definition provided? "wine" doesn't mean alcohol straight across. They are not synonymous terms. The word "wine" simply means "[juice] of the vine".

And remember not to be like the world

Exactly! It seems you are coming along!

because, well, reasons.

Yes, very good and thoroughly enunciated and written explicitly, and well defined by scriptural, scientific, logical, historical and lingusitical reasons as provided. I hope you did not miss out on those!

Oh yes, and you wrote Tomothy instead of Timothy so that invalidates your argument.

Why would someone's accidental (or even purposeful if so done, and I do not advocate, or even think, such was, why would it be? unless to drive an opponent to step into a fallacious argument, simply to distract from the actual arguments / position under discussion) misspelling of "Timothy" ["Tomothy" (sic); a Christian ought to overlook so simple a mistake] have any bearing on a scriptural, historical, logical, scientific and linguistical arguments? It would merely be a fallacy of distraction to even bring it up. In my responses, I did not even hint at the misspelling, even once. I was not the first to bring it up (that was yourself, correct?) and I do not desire it to be brought up, but I am responding to a claim (made by yourself) that never occurred in the responses, which adds another fallacy to the list, of strawman. In other words, an argument was put forth (by no one other that 'you') and then self-reasoned (by 'yourself') against. That is simply 'you' monologuing with 'you' as if 'you' were not 'you'. Strange way to respond to my actual responses, do you not think?

The whole thing is "non-sequitur", "red-herring".

Don't forget to not drink any wine.

No, do not drink alcoholic 'wine', but feel free (as the LORD allows) to drink of the fruit of the vine 'wine' which is non-alcoholic.

Surely, you do not think that the word "god" in scripture always means Deity, do you? Are there differing sub-definitions to this word, or no?

 

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... And they have a tendency to think that they, and only they, are right in their views.

Truth only seems arrogant to those who love to live in their error (and these hold their own keys to their prison), otherwise Truth is seen as precious liberty to those seeking freedom from error. As for example:

Joh_8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.​

But to some, they choose to remain in their inebriation, for example:

Isa 28:7 But they also have erred through wine, and through strong drink are out of the way; the priest and the prophet have erred through strong drink, they are swallowed up of wine, they are out of the way through strong drink; they err in vision, they stumble in judgment.​

Isa 28:8 For all tables are full of vomit and filthiness, so that there is no place clean.​

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Joh_9:40 And some of the Pharisees which were with him heard these words, and said unto him, Are we blind also?​

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The alcohol in physical and spiritual things, have brought only darkness (blindness) to their eyes (that they "see not"), and this only because they chose to not see. It leads to idolatry, because they become blind like the idols they worship, by putting alcohol in the precious golden vessels (Mat. 25:4; Act. 9:15; 2 Cor. 4;7; 2 Tim. 2:20) of God's service:

Dan_5:23 But hast lifted up thyself against the Lord of heaven; and they have brought the vessels of his house before thee, and thou, and thy lords, thy wives, and thy concubines, have drunk wine in them; and thou hast praised the gods of silver, and gold, of brass, iron, wood, and stone, which see not, nor hear, nor know: and the God in whose hand thy breath is, and whose are all thy ways, hast thou not glorified:​