What does the Bible say about "wine"? Are Christians to drink it?

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I noticed the words "looks like" in the response, which is a subjective perspective from an individual, who has (obviously) not read the material in full at all, nor understood the materials primary point (even in the title) itself. No, a person, whom is a Christian (a king and priest of the Most high God), is forbidden to drink of alcohol (a symbol of woe, sorrow, decay and death itself). The premise of the OP linked material has nothing to do with the responses "if you want to", which is again another individual subjective perspective, which has set itself up in the place of God's words (Bible), which is the definer of doctrine and practice, the law of God (Exo. 20:1-17) as being over (and written upon) the head of the Christian. Such an ideology replaces the words of God, for "I" (personal preference), "if you want to").


The entire premise of the OP's linked material, from scripture, is the Christian is forbidden to drink alcohol - at all. The position itself, established from many scriptures, is that drunkenness is also a sin, as well as drinking alcohol.


The pure juice of the grape is given, in scripture for health, life, joy and blessing.

Here is what the scriptures say of those (in scripture) who have reversed the words of God, to suit their own bellies:

Isa_5:20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!​

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Php_3:19 Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.)​

It would be very unwise, and more than simply dangerous physically to consume alcohol, it can be everlastingly destructive, as it also affects the mind / spirit. Consider the brain / gut connection itself in any scientific work (including the scripture first and foremost).

Lots of words to turn something into something else. Throw in a little bit of implied assertion without a shred of evidence and you've almost got yourself some circular reasoning.

In the meantime I think I'll continue to enjoy the things God created, in appropriate moderation. But thanks for a wall of words that fails to make a useful point.

 

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Lots of words to turn something into something else. Throw in a little bit of implied assertion without a shred of evidence and you've almost got yourself some circular reasoning.

In the meantime I think I'll continue to enjoy the things God created, in appropriate moderation. But thanks for a wall of words that fails to make a useful point.

A text, on the subject of the OP:

Amo_6:12 Shall horses run upon the rock? will one plow there with oxen? for ye have turned judgment into gall, and the fruit of righteousness into hemlock:​

It is something we should all be careful to think upon, so that we do not become like those of old:

Isa 28:7 But they also have erred through wine, and through strong drink are out of the way; the priest and the prophet have erred through strong drink, they are swallowed up of wine, they are out of the way through strong drink; they err in vision, they stumble in judgment.​

Isa 28:8 For all tables are full of vomit and filthiness, so that there is no place clean.​

History repeats itself (Ecc. 1:9, 3:15), and we are lovingly warned against doing what they of old did, as it is written:

1Co_10:11 Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.​

 

[tango]

You know it's possible to have a glass of wine without it ruling your life, right?

 

[BluePrints]

You know it's possible to have a glass of wine without it ruling your life, right?

If a person has one ("a glass of wine"), it is already ruling their life, for they have not allowed the word of God to rule their life, for it is plain what alcohol is, in its very essence, its nature; a "deceive[r]", "mocker" and "rag[ing]" (Pro. 20:1), even as the devil is. Instead, they love to have their mind affected unto death, as well their other precious organs, see starting on page 83 and moving forward - The Two Wines - The Blessed & The Cursed : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

Rom 12:1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.​

Rom 12:2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.​

Body & Mind. Please reconsider the consequences of the sons of Aaron:

Lev 10:1 And Nadab and Abihu, the sons of Aaron, took either of them his censer, and put fire therein, and put incense thereon, and offered strange fire before the LORD, which he commanded them not.​

Lev 10:2 And there went out fire from the LORD, and devoured them, and they died before the LORD.​

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Lev 10:9 Do not drink wine nor strong drink, thou, nor thy sons with thee, when ye go into the tabernacle of the congregation, lest ye die: it shall be a statute for ever throughout your generations:​

Lev 10:10 And that ye may put difference between holy and unholy, and between unclean and clean;​

The alcohol affected their judgment. They relied upon their own thinking, and it cost them. It will always have a cost. The law of sowing and reaping, will bear its results, some 30, some 60, some 100 fold. Just because some people do not see an outward loss, the internal loss is still present, bit by bit.

 

[tango]

If a person has one ("a glass of wine"), it is already ruling their life, for they have not allowed the word of God to rule their life, for it is plain what alcohol is, in its very essence, its nature; a "deceive[r]", "mocker" and "rag[ing]" (Pro. 20:1), even as the devil is. Instead, they love to have their mind affected unto death, as well their other precious organs, see starting on page 83 and moving forward - The Two Wines - The Blessed & The Cursed : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

Rom 12:1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.​

Rom 12:2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.​

Body & Mind. Please reconsider the consequences of the sons of Aaron:

Lev 10:1 And Nadab and Abihu, the sons of Aaron, took either of them his censer, and put fire therein, and put incense thereon, and offered strange fire before the LORD, which he commanded them not.​

Lev 10:2 And there went out fire from the LORD, and devoured them, and they died before the LORD.​

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Lev 10:9 Do not drink wine nor strong drink, thou, nor thy sons with thee, when ye go into the tabernacle of the congregation, lest ye die: it shall be a statute for ever throughout your generations:​

Lev 10:10 And that ye may put difference between holy and unholy, and between unclean and clean;​

The alcohol affected their judgment. They relied upon their own thinking, and it cost them. It will always have a cost. The law of sowing and reaping, will bear its results, some 30, some 60, some 100 fold. Just because some people do not see an outward loss, the internal loss is still present, bit by bit.

... and here come the same tired arguments presented over and over and over again. You can misapply verses to "prove" pretty much anything you want to "prove"

Ultimately what your argument is boiling down to here is a few verses pulled out of context and a vague "don't be like the world, the world drinks, so don't drink".

I can do that too. The world eats food so maybe we shouldn't eat food. The world wears clothes so maybe we should walk around naked. Hm. On second thoughts maybe we might be better to look at what Scripture means rather than trying to twist it to make a point that isn't there.

 

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... and here come the same tired arguments presented over and over and over again.

Only to some, are the facts of alcohol 'tiring' (a depressant), as they wear upon their conscience and body, until the day, that conscience is seared beyond repair and the body broken in consequences. As for instance,

"... Your liver doesn't register a glass of wine any differently from a mixed cocktail – it only processes alcohol. ...​

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... 'Generally speaking, one standard drink (eg, one can of beer or one glass of wine, or one shot of 80-proof distilled spirits) peaks in the bloodstream about one hour after consumption,' he explains.​

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It takes about five half-lives to process and eliminate alcohol from your system completely, where the the half-life of alcohol tends to be about four to five hours, explains Dr Singh. 'In turn, it takes about a day for the body to fully clear one serving of alcohol.' ..."​

" - This Is How Long Alcohol Really Stays in Your System​

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"... Q: Does drinking alcohol kill brain cells?​

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A: Alcohol is a neurotoxin that can disrupt communications of the brain. It also affects the functions of brain cells. This can lead to intellectual impairment, headaches, memory loss, slowed thinking, slurred speech, and trouble with balance and coordination. Excessive drinking can affect your nervous system, causing numbness and pain in your hands and feet, seizures and dementia.​

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Alcohol also is toxic to a developing brain during pregnancy and can cause congenital disabilities, including developmental disorders. ...​

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... alcohol is a depressant. ...​

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... Q: Does drinking alcohol increase the odds of catching a cold?​

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A: Yes. Alcohol can weaken your immune system. This can make it harder for your body to resist diseases and increase your risk for illnesses like colds, COVID-19 and pneumonia. ..." - https://www.mayoclinichealthsystem....health/does-drinking-alcohol-kill-brain-cells​

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"... Alcohol is classified as a depressant because it slows down the central nervous system, causing a decrease in motor coordination, reaction time and intellectual performance. ..." - Alcohol and Your Body​

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"... Where Does Absorption Happen? The primary areas for alcohol absorption are the stomach and small intestine. It’s not like other nutrients that need special transporters. Instead, alcohol sneaks through the cell walls via a process called passive diffusion. Think of it like a crowd of people filtering through a doorway rather than using a formal system. This process occurs along concentration gradients, moving from areas of higher concentration (your stomach and gut) to lower concentration (your blood). ..." - How Your Body Processes Alcohol: A Journey from Drink to Done - Kyla Lee: Vancouver DUI Lawyer​

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"... Just one glass of wine can affect your body in a bunch of ways in the 24 hours after you drink it, from your sleep to your heart rate. ...​

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... "A single glass of wine could also be dehydrating if you are not well hydrated before drinking the wine," Dr. Bhuyan tells Bustle. You might feel a little fuzzy and more likely to giggle and forget trivia questions, but that won't last either. "Changes to thinking, coordination and memory likely will resolve by the next day," Dr. Pathak says.​

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The one area where one glass of wine might really dent your day-after buzz is your sleep. "Alcohol can cause sleep disturbance, so you may be more fatigued or tired the next day," Dr. Pathak says. ..." - How One Glass Of Wine Affects Your Body The Next Day, According To Doctors​

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"... When alcohol enters your bloodstream, it widens your blood vessels. ...​

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... Alcohol affects your brain first, then your kidneys, lungs and liver. ...​

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... Alcohol dulls the parts of your brain that control how your body works. This affects your actions and your ability to make decisions and stay in control. Alcohol influences your mood and can also make you feel down or aggressive. ...​

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... Alcohol is a diuretic and increases urine production. When you drink alcohol, you need to urinate more often. This causes thirst and dehydration. ..." - What happens when you drink alcohol​

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"... And as for that belief that a glass of wine a day is good for you, a recent study found no health benefits of moderate drinking, while imbibing more carries significant health risks, particularly cardiovascular disease. Some of the other health issues caused by alcohol include cancers (especially head and neck, esophageal, breast, colorectal and liver), depression and anxiety, physical dependence, liver disease, dementia, sleep issues and, of course, injuries and accidents. ..." - https://rightasrain.uwmedicine.org/well/prevention/your-body-on-alcohol​

... to be continued ...

 

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... continued ...

You can misapply verses to "prove" pretty much anything you want to "prove"

Undocumented, undemonstrated, unevidenced accusation & may be safely ignored.

Ultimately what your argument is boiling down to here is a few verses pulled out of context and a vague "don't be like the world, the world drinks, so don't drink".

When many read the Bible, they read through 'beer-goggles', because it allows them to continue in a lifestyle that they have already chosen to live in, or that the (lost) 'world' accepts as their 'norm', and thus 'justify' (at least to themselves) that life, so deadening the mind (as alcohol always does) that it does not desire to come out of its cognitive dissonance and face the truth. Such a mind desires instead to slumber on until there is to be no waking from that deadly and delusive dreaming. The woman of Rev. 17 drinks a 'cup of wine' too, and it has caused her thinking to be impaired beyond repair, just as those in Jesus' day were affected:

Joh_16:2 They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service.​

I can do that too.

Have you heard of the fallacy of the "strawman"?

The world eats food so maybe we shouldn't eat food.

The "world" is not the Christian's example; Jesus is (Jhn. 13:15; 1 Pet. 2:21). Some things 'look good for food' but are not actually for food:

Gen_3:6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.​

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After partaking the effects were already working. Death (Gen. 2:17). Eve had at first thought that her partaking benefited her, only later to realize, too late, it destroyed her.

The world wears clothes so maybe we should walk around naked.

Are you familiar with the fallacy of category error, and incorrect comparison, such as 'apples to oranges'? Again, what the "world" does is not the Christians example.

Hm. On second thoughts

This is the problem with personal individual biased thinking. It logically starts in a fallacy, and ends in a worse one. A christian looks to God's thoughts:

Isa_55:8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.​

maybe we might be better to look at what Scripture means

God defines what God means, in scripture, "line upon line" (Isa. 28:10,13). There is no "we" (you & I) here. I am not together with you in your position. Alcohol is rebellion against life, health and Heaven.

rather than trying to twist it to make a point that isn't there.

I agree that mankind ought not "wrest" God's word to their own destruction, as the Christian is warned:

Psa_56:5 Every day they wrest my words: all their thoughts are against me for evil.​

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2Pe_3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.​