Wake up call

[visionary]

While I am not interested in going over the sins and crimes of RCC. There is some on this board who defend it in all matters, like they are sacred. They are not. So this thread is for enlightenment purposes. You see a lot of RCC believers don't even know the truth about the roots of the faith. This reminds me of the insidious work of Obama on destroying the foundation of the US and what made it strong.

Prayers for the dead and the sign of the Cross were incorporated by RCC 300 years after Christ aprox. 310 AD The Bible teaches that we pray to God alone. In the primitive church never were prayers directed to Mary, or to dead saints. This practice began in the Roman Church. Veneration of angels and dead saints came about around 375 AD. IT did not come from our Lord Yeshua. By the way, Canonization of dead saints, first by Pope John XV, wasn't til 995 AD.

Wax Candles were introduced in church around 320 AD No biggy but no value also.

The Mass, as a daily celebration, was adopted in 394 AD. I say adopted because it was a pagan rite, the Romans were use to. The Mass was developed gradually and attendance was made obligatory in the 11th century. Penalties were as violent as torture and death. The dogma of Transubstantiation was decreed by Pope Innocent III, in the year 1215 AD. By this doctrine the priest pretends to perform a daily miracle by changing a wafer into the body of Yeshua, and then he pretends to eat Him alive in the presence of his people during Mass. The Bible condemns such absurdities; for the Lord's Supper is simply a Passover Seder memorial of the sacrifice of Yeshua to be done once a year. The adoration of the wafer (Host), was decreed by Pope Honorius around 1220 AD and so the Roman Church worships a God made by human hands.

The worship [veneration] of Mary, the mother of Yeshua, and the use of the term, "Mother of God", as applied to her, originated in the Council of Ephesus which was 431 AD. Before then it was a need to find a purpose for the Ester and baby god statues. I have news for you, The Immaculate Conception of the Virgin Mary was proclaimed by Pope Pius IX in 1834 AD. In the year 1931 the pope Pius XI, reaffirmed the doctrine that Mary is "the Mother of God", by 1950 the last dogma was proclaimed by Pope Pius XII, which was the Assumption of the Virgin Mary.


The doctrine of Purgatory was first established by Gregory the Great in 593 AD and was a great money maker for centuries until these last few decades, when they decided to change it from a place to a purpose. By 1439 AD the doctrine of Purgatory was proclaimed as a dogma of faith by Council of Florence.

Pope Symmachus created the Vatican Palace in 514 as the seat of the "universal religion" called Catholicism. It was by 610 AD that the Papacy was in full swing with all its powers. It is still of pagan origin. The title of pope or universal bishop, was first given to the bishop of Rome by the wicked emperor Phocas. This he did to spite Bishop Ciriacus of Constantinople, who had justly excommunicated him for his having caused the assassination of his predecessor emperor Mauritius. Gregory 1, then bishop of Rome, refused the title, but his successor, Boniface III, first assumed title "pope." Yeshua did not appoint Peter to the headship of the apostles and forbade any such notion. (Luke 22:24-26; Ephesians 1:22-23; Colossians 1:18; 1st Corinthians 3:11). By the way, there is not any mention in Scripture, or in history, that Peter ever was in Rome, much less that he was pope there for 25 years; Clement, 3rd bishop of Rome, remarks that "there is no real 1st century evidence that Peter ever was in Rome."

By 709 AD The kissing of the Pope's feet was well established and is from a pagan custom that to kiss the feet of emperors was to show servitude. Mary, when washing and weeping over Yeshua's feet was not doing it because of servitude, but because of her understanding of what was about to come to pass and her love for Him. The Word of God forbids such practices. (Read Acts 10:25-26; Revelation 19:10; 22:9). In the year 1870 AD, Pope Pius IX proclaimed the dogma of Papal Infallibility.


Image worshipping, like the worship of the cross, images and relics was authorized by order of Dowager Empress Irene of Constantinople, who first caused to pluck the eyes of her own son, Constantine VI, and then called a church council at the request of Hadrian I, pope of Rome at that time. This was around 788 AD. Such practice is called simply IDOLATRY in the Bible, and is severely condemned. (Read Exodus 20:4; 3:17; Deuteronomy 27:15; Psalm 115).

Fasting on Fridays and during Lent were imposed by popes said to be interested in the commerce of fish. Some say this started as early as 700 AD and others figure it was about 988 AD. Either way, it has nothing to do with scripture.

The celibacy of the priesthood was decreed by Pope Hildebrand, Boniface VII didn't start until 1079 AD. The Rosary, or prayer beads was introduced by Peter the Hermit, in the year 1090, and was copied from Hindus and Mohammedans. The sale of Indulgences, commonly regarded as a purchase of forgiveness and a permit to indulge in sin. by 1190 AD. The Scapular was invented by Simon Stock, and English monk in 1287. It is a piece of brown cloth, with the picture of the Virgin and supposed to contain supernatural virtue to protect from all dangers those who wear it on naked skin. This is fetishism.

Confession of sin to the priest at least once a year was instituted by Pope Innocent III., in the Lateran Council 1215 AD. The Bible commands us to confess our sins direct to God. (Read Psalm 51:1-10; Luke 7:48; 15:21; 1st John 1:8-9). but of course the average person would not know that at that time because the Bible forbidden to laymen and placed in the Index of forbidden books by the Council of Valencia in 1229 AD. This decree was to try and stop the producing of bibles in the languages of the common people. The crime was decreed worthy of death. Then they had to go one step further because of the losing battle of trying to keep the people from having their own bible in their own language. So the Council of Trent, held in the year 1545, declared that Tradition is of equal authority with the Bible. Voiding the commandments of God by traditions.
The apocryphal books were added to the Bible also by the Council of Trent by 1546 AD.

Did you know that The Creed of Pope Pius IV was imposed as the official creed 1560 AD? Yeah, that one you hang on to like it is the life line to salvation. True believers are willing to shed all that is not within scripture. Believers retain the Holy Scriptures as their creed.

The creepy changes are giving way to homosexual approvals, pedophile normalacy in our generation. This generation has watched to Pope kiss the Koran, say Allah is God, and on and on go the list of crumbling and drifting away from what little truth they use to believe. Even the commandments of God, which were part of the catachism, is slowly being replaced with grace theology.. love everyone. Not that I disagree with loving everyone, but some children need to be spanked.

 

[Rens]

I saw him kiss other's feet.

https://fellowshipoftheminds.com/20...-really-say-the-koran-and-bible-are-the-same/

 

[Josiah]

My opinion of the RC Denomination:



In my passionate opinion, The Catholic Church is valid, sound and very esteemed denomination. I regard it, its ministers, its ministries and its Sacraments as all valid, good and sound. I regard all the members of it to be fully Christian and fully and equally blessed, as well as my FULL, UNseparated brothers and sisters in Christ and FULLY (and in every sense) members of the Church that is one, holy, catholic communion of saints. I regard none of the official teachings of The Catholic Church to be heretical in the sense of being unbiblical and indeed I largely agree with it (my priest commenting on my embrace of Catholicism, "It's a whole lot better than most Catholics!"). And I pray daily for God's very richest blessings to it, its ministries and ministers and its Holy Father.

I might add that I have particular appreciation for its role in Christian history in upholding much sound theology, for its solid support for morality (I especially appreciate its pro-life stance), it's generally excellent public worship, and it's solid work in education (especially elementary schools) and social work.

I might add too that when life (or work) takes me away on weekends, I typically find a Catholic Church to worship in. This is because it's not always easy to find an LCMS or WELS or ELS Lutheran church (or convenient worship times if I do) and I know the worship at the Catholic Church will be VERY well thought out and lead, the liturgy will be almost verbatim from the Word of God, the music will be beautiful (and hymns typically PROTESTANT!), and there will be Confession, the Creed, verbatim readings from the Bible, the Lord's Prayer, etc. I'll sure miss the Sacrament (the one big down side here) and the sermon will probably be very weak but the service at least will be very, very good.



THAT passionately said.....


1. It has all the usual frailties as any other denomination. While it is one of the oldest denominations and certainly (by far) the largest, it is just a denomination. Created by man to help the institutions of congregations (as is the case with all denominations - including my own). It is not THE church (we are!), it is NOT holy or catholic.... it was not founded by Jesus.... it is not uniquely guided or protected...... One of my biggest reasons for leaving that denomination was the enormous, incredible (rather Roman!) OBSESSION it has with POWER, with lording it over others as the Gentiles do, for it's near self-divination.... and for the corresponding insistence on docilic SUBMISSION to it itself as unto God Himself (and thus its rejection of any accountability in the sole, singular, exclusive case of it itself alone). It quickly became a carbon copy of the POWER obsession of Rome. In time, it lost almost all sense of humility, community, accountability, submission to CHRIST. It became all about the protection, promotion and POWER of it itself as an institution. Much that is wrong with this denomination springs from that (all made worse by centuries of power wars with the East and with secular states).


2. While I probably agree with 95% + of the doctrines of the RC Denomination (I can read my Catholic Catechism for PAGES and PAGES and - while I might word things a little differently, not really disagree with anything). BUT the problem comes typically in the new, UNIQUE dogmas - ones ONLY the RC Denomination embraces (and thus THE dogmas that DEFINE it - what makes the RCC distinctively RCC doctrinally). Things like the INFALLIBILITY of the Roman Pontiff, Purgatory, Transubstantiation, etc. DOGMAS that exists (as such anyway) nowhere else but are (by Christian standards) DOGMAS that are late and individual/unique to just that one singular denomination. Strip those and...... well, you'd have Lutheranism, lol (not quite, lol). This is just one reason why I'm a lot more confortable with the EOC than the RCC - these RCC dogmas aren't there (at least as dogmas),and of course the EOC lacks most of the incredible, enormous egoism and individualsim and institutionalism that are THE foundation, core, point of the RC Denomination. Frankly..... I could "live" with the Marian views...... Purgatory...... Transubstantiation if they were only opinions (even "pious opinions") it's the DOGMATIZATION of such as binding, mandated, divisive DOGMA that's the issue. Yes, some liberal Catholics will say "but I choose to just not believe that" but I recall asking several of my Catholic teachers...... if we don't accept one of the UNIQUE, NEW dogmas of just the singular RC Denomination, can we still go to heaven? This is (verbatim) the reply: "To knowingly reject Catholic dogma is to be a heretic, and there are no heretics in heaven." I don't know if I EXACTLY reject most unique, new RCC Dogmas (well, the INFALLIBILITY of the RC Denomination's Pontiff in Rome - I DO reject that one), but it was clear.


3. I frankly think a LOT of Protestants "get off" on things that frankly just aren't a huge issue. Unmarried clergy.... Sign of the Cross...... Confessing to a Priest..... artwork.......the Rosary..... a LOT of the things some Protestants go on and on and on about. None of these are dogmas (they are PRAXIS - customs, traditions) and I disagree that these are unbiblical and/or unchristian. In fact, I think many of these can be good and healthy things. But hey, if you don't want to do them - don't. Simple. And when some Protestants condemn some things, all with an "Anti-Catholic" tone, they don't seem to realize that they are ALSO condemning many (and sometimes most) Protestants who also practice them! I think nearly all of the "attacks" on the RCC are misplaced (while missing where the actual "problems" lie). And (I hate to say this but it's gotta be said), a LOT of it is simply the result of misunderstandings and "urban myth" that just gets perpetuated (same goes for a LOT of the Catholic "attacks" on Protestants!!!!!!!!!!)




Pax Christi



- Josiah

 

[visionary]

All I am saying is that it is not God ordained. You can love it all you want. It doesn't change the fact that there is no relationship with the truth as to be live in Yeshua.

 

[psalms 91]

While I am not interested in going over the sins and crimes of RCC. There is some on this board who defend it in all matters, like they are sacred. They are not. So this thread is for enlightenment purposes. You see a lot of RCC believers don't even know the truth about the roots of the faith. This reminds me of the insidious work of Obama on destroying the foundation of the US and what made it strong.

Prayers for the dead and the sign of the Cross were incorporated by RCC 300 years after Christ aprox. 310 AD The Bible teaches that we pray to God alone. In the primitive church never were prayers directed to Mary, or to dead saints. This practice began in the Roman Church. Veneration of angels and dead saints came about around 375 AD. IT did not come from our Lord Yeshua. By the way, Canonization of dead saints, first by Pope John XV, wasn't til 995 AD.

Wax Candles were introduced in church around 320 AD No biggy but no value also.

The Mass, as a daily celebration, was adopted in 394 AD. I say adopted because it was a pagan rite, the Romans were use to. The Mass was developed gradually and attendance was made obligatory in the 11th century. Penalties were as violent as torture and death. The dogma of Transubstantiation was decreed by Pope Innocent III, in the year 1215 AD. By this doctrine the priest pretends to perform a daily miracle by changing a wafer into the body of Yeshua, and then he pretends to eat Him alive in the presence of his people during Mass. The Bible condemns such absurdities; for the Lord's Supper is simply a Passover Seder memorial of the sacrifice of Yeshua to be done once a year. The adoration of the wafer (Host), was decreed by Pope Honorius around 1220 AD and so the Roman Church worships a God made by human hands.

The worship [veneration] of Mary, the mother of Yeshua, and the use of the term, "Mother of God", as applied to her, originated in the Council of Ephesus which was 431 AD. Before then it was a need to find a purpose for the Ester and baby god statues. I have news for you, The Immaculate Conception of the Virgin Mary was proclaimed by Pope Pius IX in 1834 AD. In the year 1931 the pope Pius XI, reaffirmed the doctrine that Mary is "the Mother of God", by 1950 the last dogma was proclaimed by Pope Pius XII, which was the Assumption of the Virgin Mary.


The doctrine of Purgatory was first established by Gregory the Great in 593 AD and was a great money maker for centuries until these last few decades, when they decided to change it from a place to a purpose. By 1439 AD the doctrine of Purgatory was proclaimed as a dogma of faith by Council of Florence.

It was by 610 AD that the Papacy was in full swing with all its powers. It is still of pagan origin. The title of pope or universal bishop, was first given to the bishop of Rome by the wicked emperor Phocas. This he did to spite Bishop Ciriacus of Constantinople, who had justly excommunicated him for his having caused the assassination of his predecessor emperor Mauritius. Gregory 1, then bishop of Rome, refused the title, but his successor, Boniface III, first assumed title "pope." Yeshua
Jesus did not appoint Peter to the headship of the apostles and forbade any such notion. (Luke 22:24-26; Ephesians 1:22-23; Colossians 1:18; 1st Corinthians 3:11). By the way, there is not any mention in Scripture, or in history, that Peter ever was in Rome, much less that he was pope there for 25 years; Clement, 3rd bishop of Rome, remarks that "there is no real 1st century evidence that Peter ever was in Rome."

By 709 AD The kissing of the Pope's feet was well established and is from a pagan custom that to kiss the feet of emperors was to show servitude. Mary, when washing and weeping over Yeshua's feet was not doing it because of servitude, but because of her understanding of what was about to come to pass and her love for Him. The Word of God forbids such practices. (Read Acts 10:25-26; Revelation 19:10; 22:9). In the year 1870 AD, Pope Pius IX proclaimed the dogma of Papal Infallibility.


Image worshipping, like the worship of the cross, images and relics was authorized by order of Dowager Empress Irene of Constantinople, who first caused to pluck the eyes of her own son, Constantine VI, and then called a church council at the request of Hadrian I, pope of Rome at that time. This was around 788 AD. Such practice is called simply IDOLATRY in the Bible, and is severely condemned. (Read Exodus 20:4; 3:17; Deuteronomy 27:15; Psalm 115).

Fasting on Fridays and during Lent were imposed by popes said to be interested in the commerce of fish. Some say this started as early as 700 AD and others figure it was about 988 AD. Either way, it has nothing to do with scripture.

The celibacy of the priesthood was decreed by Pope Hildebrand, Boniface VII didn't start until 1079 AD. The Rosary, or prayer beads was introduced by Peter the Hermit, in the year 1090, and was copied from Hindus and Mohammedans. The sale of Indulgences, commonly regarded as a purchase of forgiveness and a permit to indulge in sin. by 1190 AD. The Scapular was invented by Simon Stock, and English monk in 1287. It is a piece of brown cloth, with the picture of the Virgin and supposed to contain supernatural virtue to protect from all dangers those who wear it on naked skin. This is fetishism.

Confession of sin to the priest at least once a year was instituted by Pope Innocent III., in the Lateran Council 1215 AD. The Bible commands us to confess our sins direct to God. (Read Psalm 51:1-10; Luke 7:48; 15:21; 1st John 1:8-9). but of course the average person would not know that at that time because the Bible forbidden to laymen and placed in the Index of forbidden books by the Council of Valencia in 1229 AD. This decree was to try and stop the producing of bibles in the languages of the common people. The crime was decreed worthy of death. Then they had to go one step further because of the losing battle of trying to keep the people from having their own bible in their own language. So the Council of Trent, held in the year 1545, declared that Tradition is of equal authority with the Bible. Voiding the commandments of God by traditions.
The apocryphal books were added to the Bible also by the Council of Trent by 1546 AD.

Did you know that The Creed of Pope Pius IV was imposed as the official creed 1560 AD? Yeah, that one you hang on to like it is the life line to salvation. True believers are willing to shed all that is not within scripture. Believers retain the Holy Scriptures as their creed.

The creepy changes are giving way to homosexual approvals, pedophile normalacy in our generation. This generation has watched to Pope kiss the Koran, say Allah is God, and on and on go the list of crumbling and drifting away from what little truth they use to believe. Even the commandments of God, which were part of the catachism, is slowly being replaced with grace theology.. love everyone. Not that I disagree with loving everyone, but some children need to be spanked.

Exactly, you have said what a lot of my problems are even though they use double speak and say that isnt right

 

[Rens]

All I am saying is that it is not God ordained. You can love it all you want. It doesn't change the fact that there is no relationship with the truth as to be live in Yeshua.

I don't think any denomination is God ordained.

 

[Josiah]

All I am saying is that it is not God ordained. You can love it all you want. It doesn't change the fact that there is no relationship with the truth as to be live in Yeshua.

Sure, I think there are MANY things Christians do that God did not specifically ordain for us to do: Have buildings..... musical instruments...... song leaders...... baptism tanks...... parking lots...... powerpoint...... pastors wearing Ahola shirts and Birkenstocks..... youth groups..... altar calls..... women's groups..... denominations...... printed Bibles..... pulpits..... passing around cut up pieces of Weber's bread and little cups of Welch's Grape Juice..... using video clips during sermons..... folding hands during prayer..... shall I go on? Does THAT make them ERGO unbiblical, unchristian, wrong? Necessarily?

Frankly, when I pray, I like to be ON MY KNEES..... eyes closed..... hands folded. I don't know that God specifically ORDAINED any of them. But it HELPS me, spiritually. HELPS my sense of humility, HELPS me focus on God. But hey, if another Christian wants to jump up and down, hands waving in the air - hey, if it floats his boat. I think we often get too obsessed with CUSTOMS (even when NO ONE claims it's dogma - something one must do or believe or practice). And.... I LIKE to confess my sins to another (although it need not be someone ordained), keeps me humble, helps me realize the gravity of it (cuz it's embarrassing!), and helps with accountability (cuz I get counsel and often help). But hey, if another insists on confession as a PRIVATE thing between them and God - THAT really helps THEIR spirituality and growth - cool. If it floats their boat. Personally, I do the Sign of the Cross a lot. HELPS my humility..... HELPS me remember who God is and who I am..... HELP my focus. If it seems odd to another, if it's distracting to another then..... simple..... don't do it. Ain't rocket science. A LOT of this is cultural..... what you were raised with, I know..... but in ALL things in life, some customs are just helpful and others maybe not so much. It's not dogma. We ALL do a LOT of things that aren't specifically mandated in Scripture (including posting on the internet, lol). Doesn't make it wrong, IMO.



- Josiah

 

[psalms 91]

Some more so than others for sure. The only true church is following the way of Christ

 

[visionary]

When the Pope is back in political power over the world, then you will see the true nature. Right now, leaders and heads of state visit him before coming back to their country to declare something... usually it is agenda driven.

 

[psalms 91]

When the Pope is back in political power over the world, then you will see the true nature. Right now, leaders and heads of state visit him before coming back to their country to declare something... usually it is agenda driven.

Yes they all visit

 

[Josiah]

When the Pope is back in political power over the world

The RC Denomination's "pontiff" NEVER had political power all over the world. There were - for a time - papal states (Mostly in Italy) and there's still the smallest nation on the planet (Vatican City) but the RC Denomination's pontiff never was - and still isn't - very extensive.

He had influence in the WEST... but by the middle ages, secular rulers were challenging that. Such largely disappeared after the Reformation.

 

[visionary]

The RC Denomination's "pontiff" NEVER had political power all over the world. There were - for a time - papal states (Mostly in Italy) and there's still the smallest nation on the planet (Vatican City) but the RC Denomination's pontiff never was - and still isn't - very extensive.

He had influence in the WEST... but by the middle ages, secular rulers were challenging that. Such largely disappeared after the Reformation.

Yep.. that is the history... but we are talking future. Especially in the last 20 years for the US which is suppose to be a protestant nation...

May 27, 1989 Vatican Rome George H. W. Bush Pope John Paul II
Nov 8, 1991 Vatican Rome George H. W. Bush Pope John Paul II
August 12, 1993 United States Denver, Colorado Bill Clinton Pope John Paul II
June 2, 1994 Vatican Rome Bill Clinton Pope John Paul II
October 4, 1995 United States Newark, New Jersey Bill Clinton Pope John Paul II
January 26, 1999 United States St. Louis, Missouri[10] Bill Clinton Pope John Paul II
July 23, 2001 Holy See Castel Gandolfo George W. Bush Pope John Paul II
May 28, 2002 Vatican Rome George W. Bush Pope John Paul II
June 4, 2004 Vatican Rome George W. Bush Pope John Paul II
June 9, 2007 Vatican Rome George W. Bush Pope Benedict XVI
"In an executive order March 7 2007 President George W. Bush granted diplomatic immunity and privileges to the members of the Holy See's Permanent Observer Mission to the United Nations. Diplomatic immunity ensures safe passage for diplomats outside their home country. They are not subject to lawsuits or prosecution under the laws of the host country."

April 15–16, 2008 United States Washington, D.C. George W. Bush Pope Benedict XVI
June 13, 2008 Vatican Rome George W. Bush Pope Benedict XVI
July 10, 2009 Vatican Rome Barack Obama Pope Benedict XVI
March 27, 2014 Vatican Rome Barack Obama Pope Francis
September 22-23, 2015 United States Washington, D.C. Barack Obama Pope Francis

We know his last visit was to support climate change propoganda... A political endeavor towards one world government. The only reason the Pope would support it is because he is part of the one world government.

If one digs deep enough, they can find out the real reason for the visit and it wasn't benign.

 

[visionary]

Many people still see the Papacy as only a religious organization, but if one looks into their never ending quest for the political power, you'll see that the Roman Empire and the Papacy have always had the exact same goal: World domination.

 

[Alithis]

All I am saying is that it is not God ordained. You can love it all you want. It doesn't change the fact that there is no relationship with the truth as to be live in Yeshua.

i agree .

 

[Rens]

Yep.. that is the history... but we are talking future. Especially in the last 20 years for the US which is suppose to be a protestant nation...

May 27, 1989 Vatican Rome George H. W. Bush Pope John Paul II
Nov 8, 1991 Vatican Rome George H. W. Bush Pope John Paul II
August 12, 1993 United States Denver, Colorado Bill Clinton Pope John Paul II
June 2, 1994 Vatican Rome Bill Clinton Pope John Paul II
October 4, 1995 United States Newark, New Jersey Bill Clinton Pope John Paul II
January 26, 1999 United States St. Louis, Missouri[10] Bill Clinton Pope John Paul II
July 23, 2001 Holy See Castel Gandolfo George W. Bush Pope John Paul II
May 28, 2002 Vatican Rome George W. Bush Pope John Paul II
June 4, 2004 Vatican Rome George W. Bush Pope John Paul II
June 9, 2007 Vatican Rome George W. Bush Pope Benedict XVI
"In an executive order March 7 2007 President George W. Bush granted diplomatic immunity and privileges to the members of the Holy See's Permanent Observer Mission to the United Nations. Diplomatic immunity ensures safe passage for diplomats outside their home country. They are not subject to lawsuits or prosecution under the laws of the host country."

April 15–16, 2008 United States Washington, D.C. George W. Bush Pope Benedict XVI
June 13, 2008 Vatican Rome George W. Bush Pope Benedict XVI
July 10, 2009 Vatican Rome Barack Obama Pope Benedict XVI
March 27, 2014 Vatican Rome Barack Obama Pope Francis
September 22-23, 2015 United States Washington, D.C. Barack Obama Pope Francis

We know his last visit was to support climate change propoganda... A political endeavor towards one world government. The only reason the Pope would support it is because he is part of the one world government.

If one digs deep enough, they can find out the real reason for the visit and it wasn't benign.

Bush is a freemason. I don't believe pope Francis is a freemason or wants world dominance.

http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/com...rk-in-the-vatican-im-not-sure-that-we-should/

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/pope-francis-masonic-lobbies-most-serious-problem-me

Btw there are enough masons in baptist and evangelic churches too.

 

[Rens]

The roots of Freemasonry are Jewish btw.

 

[Josiah]

My opinion of the RC Denomination:



In my passionate opinion...

The Catholic Church is valid, sound and very esteemed denomination. I regard it, its ministers, its ministries and its Sacraments as all valid, good and sound. I regard all the members of it to be fully Christian and fully and equally blessed, as well as my FULL, UNseparated brothers and sisters in Christ and FULLY (and in every sense) members of the Church that is one, holy, catholic communion of saints. I regard none of the official teachings of The Catholic Church to be heretical in the sense of being unbiblical and indeed I largely agree with it (my priest commenting on my embrace of Catholicism, "It's a whole lot better than most Catholics!"). And I pray daily for God's very richest blessings to it, its ministries and ministers and its Holy Father.

I might add that I have particular appreciation for its role in Christian history in upholding much sound theology, for its solid support for morality (I especially appreciate its pro-life stance), it's generally excellent public worship, and it's solid work in education (especially elementary schools) and social work.

I might add too that when life (or work) takes me away on weekends, I typically find a Catholic Church to worship in. This is because it's not always easy to find an LCMS or WELS or ELS Lutheran church (or convenient worship times if I do) and I know the worship at the Catholic Church will be VERY well thought out and lead, the liturgy will be almost verbatim from the Word of God, the music will be beautiful (and hymns typically PROTESTANT!), and there will be Confession, the Creed, verbatim readings from the Bible, the Lord's Prayer, etc. I'll sure miss the Sacrament (the one big down side here) and the sermon will probably be very weak but the service at least will be very, very good.



.

I've posted this for at least 10 years at various sites. To date, NO Catholic (not one, not even one) has been willing to say the same positive things about me or my denomination - making CATHOLICS more "anti" than I am. In fact, very very few Catholics have even acknowledged my view and the positive things I've so often posted (wise since they are not permitted to be as positive toward a Protestant and a Protestant denomination as I am toward Catholics and their denomination). The overwhelming majority of the time, Catholics pretend they didn't read my view. Occasionally, they just shout "YOUR HATEFUL, IGNORANT, ANTI CATHOLIC!!!!" without noting that their refusal to say the same positive things about me and my church actually means THEY are more more anti. But they'll still scream, "You ANIT!!!" over and over and over and over.... endlessly..... (pot calling kettle back...... pointing one figure at others and three back at self).



- Josiah

 

[visionary]

Bush is a freemason. I don't believe pope Francis is a freemason or wants world dominance.

http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/com...rk-in-the-vatican-im-not-sure-that-we-should/

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/pope-francis-masonic-lobbies-most-serious-problem-me

Btw there are enough masons in baptist and evangelic churches too.

You don't know secret societies and their ties with ties

 

[visionary]

Masonry has its roots in the Scottish Enlightenment and the first masons came to England in the train of King James VI and I. The claims that masonry has its origins in the medieval guilds or in the builders of the Temple of Solomon are not historically sustainable. Masonic support of Jewish emancipation in Europe provoked reactionary denunciations of the “Masonic-Jewish” conspiracy, which was later expanded to include Bolsheviks. Hence it is not a Jewish secret society..although there are Jewish members.

Its founder was Henry F. Bowers, a Freemason, who structured the movement on Masonic lines, with regalia, oaths and initiations. The APA oath specified that,

I do most solemnly promise and swear that I will always, to the utmost of my ability, labor, plead and wage a continuous warfare against ignorance and fanaticism; that I will use my utmost power to strike the shackles and chains of blind obedience to the Roman Catholic church from the hampered and bound consciences of a priest-ridden and church-oppressed people; that I will never allow any one, a member of the Roman Catholic church, to become a member of this order, I knowing him to be such; that I will use my influence to promote the interest of all Protestants everywhere in the world that I may be; that I will not employ a Roman Catholic in any capacity if I can procure the services of a Protestant.

Which is why Catholics are forbidden to join. It is probably the one secret society that doesn't have catholic roots. 56 signers of the Declaration of Independence were Masons.

 

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Yes, and have you looked at Albert Pike as well?