Voting your moral values.

[Asuk]

I've never thought of guns as a moral value. What moral precept does gun ownership fulfil?

I think you are missing my point. People that are anti-gun tend to have bad morals.

 

[MennoSota]

Were there no other candidates? Just Donald and Hillary?

There are many third parties, but none who provide a God-centered candidate.

 

[MoreCoffee]

I think you are missing my point. People that are anti-gun tend to have bad morals.

Oh, why do you say that?

Aren't the criminals gun users?

 

[MoreCoffee]

There are many third parties, but none who provide a God-centered candidate.

Run for election yourself if you can. Here it is not hard to run for election. One just pays a fairly small administrative fee (I think it is 500 dollars) which is refunded if you get enough votes (I think it's about 1,000 votes). Of course you need to be an Australian citizen and not a citizen of any other country.

 

[MennoSota]

Run for election yourself if you can. Here it is not hard to run for election. One just pays a fairly small administrative fee (I think it is 500 dollars) which is refunded if you get enough votes (I think it's about 1,000 votes). Of course you need to be an Australian citizen and not a citizen of any other country.

Perhaps you don't know how much it costs and the network of connections needed to run a successful campaign.
But, more importantly, God has not guided me to run for public office.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Perhaps you don't know how much it costs and the network of connections needed to run a successful campaign.
But, more importantly, God has not guided me to run for public office.

Did you vote for anybody in the 2016 Presidential election?

 

[MennoSota]

Did you vote for anybody in the 2016 Presidential election?

I told you who I voted for. In the US you can write in a candidate even if they didn't run for the office.
I trust in the sovereign will of God. God ordained Donald Trump, with all his flaws, to be the US president. God has a plan and it may be the downfall of the US, but it's God's plan so I will trust Him because...it's God's plan.

 

[MoreCoffee]

I told you who I voted for. In the US you can write in a candidate even if they didn't run for the office.
I trust in the sovereign will of God. God ordained Donald Trump, with all his flaws, to be the US president. God has a plan and it may be the downfall of the US, but it's God's plan so I will trust Him because...it's God's plan.

I wonder if God played a little joke on the USA - as a kind of antidote for hubris - that might explain getting Donald as USA president.

 

[MennoSota]

I wonder if God played a little joke on the USA - as a kind of antidote for hubris - that might explain getting Donald as USA president.

No joke. God gave Israel, King Ahab and Judah, King Manassah. He handed them over to their own sins. Read Habakkuk and see how God declared that he raised up the most wicked nation of Babylon for the purpose of cleansing Judah.

 

[Asuk]

Oh, why do you say that?

American Democrats typically are anti gun and have awful morals. They are pro abortion, pro homosexual, etc.

Aren't the criminals gun users?

I’m sure some criminals are gun users but most gun users are not criminals.

 

[MoreCoffee]

American Democrats typically are anti gun and have awful morals. They are pro abortion, pro homosexual, etc.


I’m sure some criminals are gun users but most gun users are not criminals.

So being a democrat means one is an evil person?

 

[Asuk]

So being a democrat means one is an evil person?

Is abortion evil?

 

[MoreCoffee]

Is abortion evil?

It certainly can be. It depends somewhat on the cause doesn't it? Accidental or spontaneous abortions are likely not evil.

 

[MoreCoffee]

ROY MOORE

ROY MOORE is accused by four independent sources of sexual misconduct towards teen aged girls one of whom was 14 years old when he was 32 and still it looks like many evangelicals are willing to vote for him. How are evangelical moral values shaping these voters decisions on who to vote for?

 

[Imalive]

ROY MOORE is accused by four independent sources of sexual misconduct towards teen aged girls one of whom was 14 years old when he was 32 and still it looks like many evangelicals are willing to vote for him. How are evangelical moral values shaping these voters decisions on who to vote for?

https://www.google.nl/amp/amp.timei...al-contact-underage-jesus-defense-jim-ziegler

 

[MoreCoffee]

https://www.google.nl/amp/amp.timei...al-contact-underage-jesus-defense-jim-ziegler

Scary isn't it?

:scared:

 

[Asuk]

ROY MOORE is accused by four independent sources of sexual misconduct towards teen aged girls one of whom was 14 years old when he was 32 and still it looks like many evangelicals are willing to vote for him. How are evangelical moral values shaping these voters decisions on who to vote for?

Is he guilty of doing it?

 

[MoreCoffee]

Is he guilty of doing it?

A court may need to decide that. He is accused by four independent persons and apparently up to thirty more may be coming forward. If one votes one's moral values the accusations from many sources may be significant enough to sway one's vote.

 

[Josiah]

ROY MOORE is accused by four independent sources of sexual misconduct towards teen aged girls one of whom was 14 years old when he was 32 and still it looks like many evangelicals are willing to vote for him. How are evangelical moral values shaping these voters decisions on who to vote for?

Some things which the press calls "sexual conduct" SUPPOSEDLY done 39 years ago..... and there is ZERO evidence....... and these now 4 said NOTHING to ANYONE for 39 years until he seems he might win a Senate seat. And the liberal press is doing EVERYTHING they can to eliminate any "Rule of Law" and to impose a new rubric: If one is accused of anything - he ergo is guilty even though NOTHING was said for decades to ANYONE and there is ZERO evidence, none whatsoever, and it is made impossible for the accused to defend himself. This is a legal rubric that seems to be promoted and applied by the liberal press (but only to Republicans).


I think there's something rotten going on..... and Roy Moore may have nothing to do with it, other than being a Republican. But I don't doubt his campaign is killed and he will live his remaining years labeled a sexual preditor.



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[MoreCoffee]

Some things which the press calls "sexual conduct" SUPPOSEDLY done 39 years ago..... and there is ZERO evidence....

There is the evidence for the women who was 14 then he molested her. There is the evidence of three others who were between 16 and 18 who tell stories of a 30-something Roy Moore asking them on dates and engaging in conduct that - while legal - is consistent with the words of woman who was the 14 year old. Roy Moore was 32 at the time. He's 70 or so now. Why does matter if it happened 39 years ago, does that mitigate, does it invalidate her statement?

The sexual conduct was to undress himself and to undress her (aged 14 and he 32) and to place his hands on her breasts (she still had her bra on) and private parts (she still had her panties on) while guiding her hand to touch his erect private parts (he still had his underpants on). That is sexual conduct is it not?

PS: the women who was 14 at the time voted for Donald Trump and for the republicans.