Universal Atonement - Part 2

[fuddy]

Matthew 11:28-30 Why would Jesus cry out in a loud voice among the hundreds of people within earshot, not to mention all the people who have read those recorded words down through the centuries, if the offer of salvation was only for a few of them?

I can't imagine a more callous, cruel, and merciless thing to do, especially for God Himself to do.

He is both willing and able to save anyone, and able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we can ask or imagine, but of course the Calvinist will say that's
only for the elect. That's the catch-all fallback.

I believe God's love is vastly bigger than any doctrine, and that His arm is not too short to save.

He is the One for whom NOTHING is impossible.

Nothing means nothing.

 

[Lamb]

Oh no, the people of Jn 1:29 are saved, no sin, no death.

Taking away the sin is objective. We need subjectively to have faith and cling to that good news before we have salvation. And that faith can be thrown away.

 

[brightfame52]

Taking away the sin is objective. We need subjectively to have faith and cling to that good news before we have salvation. And that faith can be thrown away.

Objective Salvation is Salvation, and sin has been taken away objectively, so the world of Jn 1:29 is saved, cant be everyone without exception. You dont need Faith to be objectively saved, for your sin to be taken away.

 

[Lamb]

Objective Salvation is Salvation, and sin has been taken away objectively, so the world of Jn 1:29 is saved, cant be everyone without exception. You dont need Faith to be objectively saved, for your sin to be taken away.

Faith is needed to have eternal life with God.

 

[brightfame52]

Faith is needed to have eternal life with God.

No its not, not initially. The elect had it prospectively b4 they believed, and was why they believed Acts 13:48

48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.

What came first, them having been appointed to eternal life, or their believing ? In fact everyone Christ died for has the Gift of eternal life legally to their account when they are born into the world as ungodly sinners because they are Heirs.

 

[BruceLeiter]

Matthew 11:28-30 Why would Jesus cry out in a loud voice among the hundreds of people within earshot, not to mention all the people who have read those recorded words down through the centuries, if the offer of salvation was only for a few of them?

I can't imagine a more callous, cruel, and merciless thing to do, especially for God Himself to do.

He is both willing and able to save anyone, and able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we can ask or imagine, but of course the Calvinist will say that's
only for the elect. That's the catch-all fallback.

I believe God's love is vastly bigger than any doctrine, and that His arm is not too short to save.

He is the One for whom NOTHING is impossible.

Nothing means nothing.

Many of us Calvinists believe that God is, of course, able to save everyone and that he has a very good reason for not doing it, but he has not revealed that reason to us, as he hasn't with many biblical mysteries.

 

[Lamb]

No its not, not initially. The elect had it prospectively b4 they believed, and was why they believed Acts 13:48

48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.

What came first, them having been appointed to eternal life, or their believing ? In fact everyone Christ died for has the Gift of eternal life legally to their account when they are born into the world as ungodly sinners because they are Heirs.

When you die, if you don't have faith you don't have salvation. Correct?

 

[brightfame52]

When you die, if you don't have faith you don't have salvation. Correct?

In that case Christ didnt die for you, they believe not because they were not His Sheep He lay His life down for Jn 10:26

26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.

Faith to believe in Christ is given only to the Sheep He died for

 

[Lamb]

In that case Christ didnt die for you, they believe not because they were not His Sheep He lay His life down for Jn 10:26

26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.

Faith to believe in Christ is given only to the Sheep He died for

Christ died for the world as scriptures say. Only those who have faith will have eternal life.

 

[brightfame52]

Christ died for the world as scriptures say. Only those who have faith will have eternal life.

No Christ didnt die for everyone, thats a false claim, He died for His Sheep and they shall believe because they have eternal life through His death.

 

[brightfame52]

Christ died for the world as scriptures say. Only those who have faith will have eternal life.

Christs Death paid for the sins of Gods elect and He gives them eternal life Rom 6:23

23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

 

[BruceLeiter]

Which child of mine would I send to hell eternally if they rejected me?

Not all are God's children. We are adopted into His family when we believe.


Sent from my iPhone using my right thumb.

I wouldn't send any of my adult children to hell when they reject me, as one of them has in one of life's mysteries. However, I'm not their judge and jury. God is everyone's just Judge as well as their Creator. So, he has a perfect right to declare any of his human creatures "not guilty" and punish them with absence from his powerful presence in hell, which they have desired anyway their whole lives.