Understanding Satan and Satan's Schemes (1 Corinthians 2:11)

[Manonfire63]

In the 1980's, a lot of people became hear no evil, see no evil, in sin. A lot of people have been blind and deaf to somethings. Suddenly waking up to the reality, that can be soul crushing. I am going to try to ease a reader into this topic without obliterating.

In 2013, I was a pretty regular man. I had been a life long Christian. I thought I was saved. I had not been saved. I received a calling from God around the age of 30. (Luke 3:23) God was talking to me. I worked to build the Kingdom of God. Working to build the Kingdom of God, I engaged in a lot of Spiritual Warfare, and God has used me to pick fights, or just catapulted me into something, and then we tore everything up. Engaging in spiritual warfare, and closeness to God, is how I learned about Satan and Satan's schemes.

Good Starting Point

Socratic Paradox - Given all men are out to do what is good, or in their best interest, how can evil exist?

We can answer this paradox with the existence of Satan. Satan was a liar looking to skew man's perceptions. Satan worked to put man into darkness as The Prince of Darkness. Was someone in The Dark or The Light of the Lord? (Ephesians 5:8)

Adam and Eve, there were doing pretty well in the Garden of Eden, with God, being obedient. Satan comes along and he skews perceptions.

God, through Moses, lead Israel out of Egypt. Moses goes away for 40 days and 40 nights. Satan comes along and skews perceptions. When Moses comes back, he found a false idol, a golden calf, and the Hebrews were attributing things God had done to a false god they had made for themselves.

Evil would be darkness and separation form God. Satan was a liar and a thief.

Understanding this Socratic Paradox, this was my starting point learning about Satan and Satan's schemes.

Angels v Fallen Angels and Demons.

There is a difference between Angels and Fallen Angels and Demons.

An angel was a created being with a function. God tests the heart. (Deuteronomy 8:2) Satan, as an Angel, had a function around testing the hearts of men.

Arch Angel Michael has been "Most like God." Arch Angel Michael has been known as mankind's advocate. Satan was an accuser. God is a Judge. We have a courtroom.

• 8 And the Lord said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil?
  9 Then Satan answered the Lord, and said, Doth Job fear God for nought? (Job 1:8,9)
• 7 And war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels fought with the dragon; and the dragon and his angels fought, 8 but they [a]did not prevail, nor was a place found for [b]them in heaven any longer. 9 So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
  
  10 Then I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, “Now salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren, who accused them before our God day and night, has been cast down. 11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony, and they did not love their lives to the death. 12 Therefore rejoice, O heavens, and you who dwell in them! Woe to the inhabitants of the earth and the sea! For the devil has come down to you, having great wrath, because he knows that he has a short time.” (Revelations 12:7-12)

Angels have functions. In Job 38+, God starts to list some of the glorious and awesome things God does. There may have been angels with functions tied to those things. Every aspect of creation may have had some sort of Angel governing it. A fallen angel was separate from God, not having God's love, performing its function corruptly.

A demon was born of the sins of men. A demon may have been attached to particular sins. Cain murdered Able. This was the first murder. A demon may have been born out of that. A demon may have been "A Satan." A Satan may have been a demonic ruler of a principality. Satan means "adversary." There is Satan a fallen angel. There may have been many Satans, as in rulers of Principalities who were not followers of God.

So far, this is pretty easy and light. When I start to show the cause and effect, and where certain entities are, and what they have been doing today, that can be soul crushing. We will leave it here, for a moment.

 

[Manonfire63]

Question: Are there more fallen angels than just Satan?

Yes.

Belial would be a fallen angel, that is not Satan from Job, or the Dragon from Revelations.

Have your leaders become frivolous or worthless shepherds? Was "bail reform" were criminals ran amok, running people out of business, was that "Progressive," as in we are progressing towards something, or worthless?

Progress is the Kingdom of God. The Kingdom of God has particular values. Some people have been worthless. When we find judges and politicians promoting worthless things, being worthless people, there may have been particular occultism and rituals going on, Occult rituals like in Freemasonry.

Occult Ritualism.....is that like Eyes Wide Shut or a Diddy Party? Was Puff Daddy an FBI Informant? Given he was, that suggests there were worse people.

 

[Manonfire63]

Azazel is a named entity in the Bible. (Leviticus 16:10) Azazel would be a fallen angel.

Were Freemasons riding the goat?

It is interesting how Disney, associated with Freemasonry, bought ESPN, and started running it down. From Disney-ESPN we have The GOAT, where men were being prideful and competitive in the wrong ways...in sin.

Goat Yoga was a big deal for awhile.

These are signs of something.

 

[Manonfire63]

Satan, a fallen angel, he may have deceived or skewed man's perspectives. Satan was like mankind's covetous half brother looking to get him into trouble with Father God. Getting into trouble with God, man may have ended up with or in demons.

Beelzebub, would be a demonic entity with a particular character. He has stolen away things.

Awake is something particular in the Bible. (Ezekiel 12:2)(Proverbs 20:12)(Isaiah 42:7)(Matthew 13:15-17) Woke would be a corruption of. Woke came from people associated with the Rainbow Coalition and Rev Jesse Jackson. Rev Jesse Jackson would be a Freemason.

The shift in perception between Awake and Woke would be Intersectionalism. Given a Professor was talking about Intersectionalism.......I would ask him or her some probing questions or make some probing comments. They may have been in "Black Magic Satanism" which worked off Intersectionalism to decieve. That would be Beelzebub.

You can internet search these entities, and see a brief discription of them. Certain entities have a character. Said character manifests in particular ways.

 

[Manonfire63]

What does it mean that something has a "Character?"

In the US, children, young people, they have often read the book "To Kill a Mocking Bird." After reading the book, we could do a character analysis. We may be able to breakdown the character of Scout and Atticus and so on. What makes them tick? What motivates them? What are their principles?

God Almighty, God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob, God who gave us his only begotten son Jesus Christ, born of a virgin, died and ressurrected, God of the Prophets, he has a particular character. Given someone understands the character of God, off of God, they may be able to see things "Not God." Reading the news day to day, there may have been some other players or entities.

Satan had players.

God has players. Don't hate the player, hate the game?

This is easy. Trying to communicate this to certian people......are they uneducated? Did they fail basic reading comprehension in the 4th grade? In the 4th Grade, there is a reading comprehension test. Someone reads a short story, and then answers 5-10 or so multiple choice questions about it. Did someone fail that? This is easy.

Satan was a liar with a paintbrush. Certain entities, and spiritual things, they may have been painted into various Mythologies. "Trickster Demon" is a theme that has popped up. A Trickster may have been like Loki in Viking Mythology. A Trickster may have been a Coyote in particular American Indian Mythology. Some elements of the character of a Trickster may have been being able to cook food well, shifting from male to female or vice versa, and "getting off" on tricking people into sin.

Given you understand the character of something, we may have a Form like Plato and the Forms. The same man dressed in a toga or dressed in a tied dyed shirt or dressed in the three piece suit, he may have been perceived differently, but he was still the same man. Given you can understand The Form of Something, you may be able to see it regardless of how it was presented.

 

[Manonfire63]

The Question: How does someone gain the faith or ability to deal with supernatural entities?

Given God is talking to someone, follow directions.

Faith is a journey. On that journey, there may have been Sanctification. Someone may have confessed and worked through their sins. They may have gone through phase of being a Penitent Man like in Indiana Jones. Sanctification is a process of being made Holy, set apart, to be closer to God.

Part of Sanctification, may be conditioning towards dealing with spiritual things. Dealing with spiritual things may have come easy to some, a skill, like running or singing. Some people were naturals. Some people may have to really work at it. All can meet a standard.

• 5 Then the mariners were afraid; and every man cried out to his god, and threw the cargo that was in the ship into the sea, to lighten [b]the load. But Jonah had gone down into the lowest parts of the ship, had lain down, and was fast asleep. (Jonah 1:5)
• 23 Then he got into the boat and his disciples followed him. 24 Suddenly a furious storm came up on the lake, so that the waves swept over the boat. But Jesus was sleeping. 25 The disciples went and woke him, saying, “Lord, save us! We’re going to drown!”
  26 He replied, “You of little faith, why are you so afraid?” Then he got up and rebuked the winds and the waves, and it was completely calm. (Matthew 8:23-26)

Someone may be in a "State of Faith." A State of Faith is where there is no doubt, no fear, no worry. Someone is comfortable, safe in God. A man hold's tight to God. Cleaved unto. To deal with spiritual entities, someone needs a Fear of God. God created everything. God controls everything.

Fear of God is a good thing. Fear of God takes away fear of Man. (And other things.) God is love. God's love is fatherly. God has good plans. You are doing the right things? What do you have to fear? Perfect love knows no fear.




There may be a conditioning someone goes through as part of a process of Sanctification, a journey of growing in faith.

 

[BruceLeiter]

In the 1980's, a lot of people became hear no evil, see no evil, in sin. A lot of people have been blind and deaf to somethings. Suddenly waking up to the reality, that can be soul crushing. I am going to try to ease a reader into this topic without obliterating.

In 2013, I was a pretty regular man. I had been a life long Christian. I thought I was saved. I had not been saved. I received a calling from God around the age of 30. (Luke 3:23) God was talking to me. I worked to build the Kingdom of God. Working to build the Kingdom of God, I engaged in a lot of Spiritual Warfare, and God has used me to pick fights, or just catapulted me into something, and then we tore everything up. Engaging in spiritual warfare, and closeness to God, is how I learned about Satan and Satan's schemes.

Good Starting Point

Socratic Paradox - Given all men are out to do what is good, or in their best interest, how can evil exist?

We can answer this paradox with the existence of Satan. Satan was a liar looking to skew man's perceptions. Satan worked to put man into darkness as The Prince of Darkness. Was someone in The Dark or The Light of the Lord? (Ephesians 5:8)

Adam and Eve, there were doing pretty well in the Garden of Eden, with God, being obedient. Satan comes along and he skews perceptions.

God, through Moses, lead Israel out of Egypt. Moses goes away for 40 days and 40 nights. Satan comes along and skews perceptions. When Moses comes back, he found a false idol, a golden calf, and the Hebrews were attributing things God had done to a false god they had made for themselves.

Evil would be darkness and separation form God. Satan was a liar and a thief.

Understanding this Socratic Paradox, this was my starting point learning about Satan and Satan's schemes.

Angels v Fallen Angels and Demons.

There is a difference between Angels and Fallen Angels and Demons.

An angel was a created being with a function. God tests the heart. (Deuteronomy 8:2) Satan, as an Angel, had a function around testing the hearts of men.

Arch Angel Michael has been "Most like God." Arch Angel Michael has been known as mankind's advocate. Satan was an accuser. God is a Judge. We have a courtroom.

• 8 And the Lord said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil?
  9 Then Satan answered the Lord, and said, Doth Job fear God for nought? (Job 1:8,9)
• 7 And war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels fought with the dragon; and the dragon and his angels fought, 8 but they [a]did not prevail, nor was a place found for [b]them in heaven any longer. 9 So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
  
  10 Then I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, “Now salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren, who accused them before our God day and night, has been cast down. 11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony, and they did not love their lives to the death. 12 Therefore rejoice, O heavens, and you who dwell in them! Woe to the inhabitants of the earth and the sea! For the devil has come down to you, having great wrath, because he knows that he has a short time.” (Revelations 12:7-12)

Angels have functions. In Job 38+, God starts to list some of the glorious and awesome things God does. There may have been angels with functions tied to those things. Every aspect of creation may have had some sort of Angel governing it. A fallen angel was separate from God, not having God's love, performing its function corruptly.

A demon was born of the sins of men. A demon may have been attached to particular sins. Cain murdered Able. This was the first murder. A demon may have been born out of that. A demon may have been "A Satan." A Satan may have been a demonic ruler of a principality. Satan means "adversary." There is Satan a fallen angel. There may have been many Satans, as in rulers of Principalities who were not followers of God.

So far, this is pretty easy and light. When I start to show the cause and effect, and where certain entities are, and what they have been doing today, that can be soul crushing. We will leave it here, for a moment.

@Manonfire63, if this is the basis for your theology about Satan, there are way too many "may have beens" of speculation to make any real conclusions about the devil and the demons. In fact, if you make Socrates part of its foundation, it will fail anyway. I suggest that you stick to the Bible and what it reveals about the evil forces. Your brother in Christ, Bruce.

 

[Manonfire63]

Understanding the spiritual gets into things Extra Biblical. The Bible is guide. Christians should be of "One Mind." (Philippians 2:2)

When I use the word "May," on certain spiritual topics, it may be that Christians should be in agreement.

Can you explain to me Satan's Schemes and the context of 1 Corinthians 2:11? Given you cannot, your theology and understanding may be lacking. Personally, I left this here as a warm up or introduction to something, to help walking people into understanding without crippling them with a Terror of God.

 

[BruceLeiter]

Understanding the spiritual gets into things Extra Biblical. The Bible is guide. Christians should be of "One Mind." (Philippians 2:2)

When I use the word "May," on certain spiritual topics, it may be that Christians should be in agreement.

Can you explain to me Satan's Schemes and the context of 1 Corinthians 2:11? Given you cannot, your theology and understanding may be lacking. Personally, I left this here as a warm up or introduction to something, to help walking people into understanding without crippling them with a Terror of God.

What are you trying to do for people? I don't understand. My "theology" can take a stab at 1 Corinthians 2:11. You assume that I can't explain it and didn't wait for me to respond. It's a case of church discipline.

At any rate, the context of that verse is 1 Corinthians 5, where Paul deals with an extreme case of sexual immorality. Paul commands the church to excommunicate the offender in order to bring him to repentance:

1Co 5:1 It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and of a kind that is not tolerated even among pagans, for a man has his father's wife.
1Co 5:2 And you are arrogant! Ought you not rather to mourn? Let him who has done this be removed from among you.
1Co 5:3 For though absent in body, I am present in spirit; and as if present, I have already pronounced judgment on the one who did such a thing.
1Co 5:4 When you are assembled in the name of the Lord Jesus and my spirit is present, with the power of our Lord Jesus,
1Co 5:5 you are to deliver this man to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, so that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord.

The sinner repents with his words and actions, apparently; and Paul instructs the church to receive him back. By this forgiveness, Satan's attacks to cause disunity will be thwarted.

2Co 2:6 For such a one, this punishment by the majority is enough,
2Co 2:7 so you should rather turn to forgive and comfort him, or he may be overwhelmed by excessive sorrow.
2Co 2:8 So I beg you to reaffirm your love for him.
2Co 2:9 For this is why I wrote, that I might test you and know whether you are obedient in everything.
2Co 2:10 Anyone whom you forgive, I also forgive. Indeed, what I have forgiven, if I have forgiven anything, has been for your sake in the presence of Christ,
2Co 2:11 so that we would not be outwitted by Satan; for we are not ignorant of his designs.