Trump and the Porn Star

[Albion]

I'm not sure it shows any higher level of depravity just because the man was President at the time he had his affair.

If he'd used an American flag to clean up afterwards, would that not represent anything to you other than that he was president at the time? Cmon.

This is a very good point - people who dig out historical footage of Donald Trump as "proof" that he is racist miss the point that all sorts of things considered not only perfectly normal but widely expected a couple of decades ago are considered racist today. Chances are most of us over the age of about 40-50 have said or done things in the past that would now be considered racially offensive.

I think that misses the point, too. The Left now uses the term against anyone it doesn't like for any reason. Trump is not a racist, so do we hearing it have to rationalize a bunch of excuses for a racism that is simply a political attack line?

 

[tango]

If he'd used an American flag to clean up afterwards, would that not represent anything to you other than that he was president at the time? Cmon.

I guess I don't regard one particular room as being inherently more special than another. Truth be told if he had used a flag to clean up I'd regard it as an odd choice but to me a flag is a piece of cloth rather than being sacred.

I think that misses the point, too. The Left now uses the term against anyone it doesn't like for any reason. Trump is not a racist, so do we hearing it have to rationalize a bunch of excuses for a racism that is simply a political attack line?

Sure, the term "racism" is one of many used to shut down a discussion and essentially means little more than "I don't like what you're saying but can't counter it so here's an accusation to deflect the discussion". I raised the racism thing because of what you said about looking at the lives of previous presidents before they took office.

 

[Albion]

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[Albion]

Hmm. I used as a description the word depravity and in only two posts that was turned into (against something) sacred. Wow

 

[tango]

Hmm. I used as a description the word depravity and in only two posts that was turned into (against something) sacred. Wow

OK, if you really want to nitpick my choice of words rather than the issue... I don't see that one room is inherently more special than another, and I don't see a flag as inherently more special than any other piece of cloth. I would regard it as surprising if a head of state were to use their own national flag to clean up the results of an illicit dalliance but don't see it as inherently any more indicative of depravity than using any other cloth.

 

[psalms 91]

OK, if you really want to nitpick my choice of words rather than the issue... I don't see that one room is inherently more special than another, and I don't see a flag as inherently more special than any other piece of cloth. I would regard it as surprising if a head of state were to use their own national flag to clean up the results of an illicit dalliance but don't see it as inherently any more indicative of depravity than using any other cloth.

Lack of respect not only for the flag but also for those who sacrificed and died for it. Speaks volumes about the person

 

[MennoSota]

President Trump does not represent Christian values or virtues, but his sins in the White House pale to that of Warren G Harding who may have been the most immoral President of all time.
http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/20...harry-daugherty-naval-oil-reserves-mistresses

 

[tango]

Lack of respect not only for the flag but also for those who sacrificed and died for it. Speaks volumes about the person

Who died for a flag? The flag isn't the same as the country.

 

[psalms 91]

Who died for a flag? The flag isn't the same as the country.

It is representative of the country and a symbol of it, why are you always so difficulyt with what is common definitions? Talk to most people and they would agree with what I said so to me it shows a llack of respect and decency to disrespect the flag, very unpatriotic

 

[tango]

It is representative of the country and a symbol of it, why are you always so difficulyt with what is common definitions? Talk to most people and they would agree with what I said so to me it shows a llack of respect and decency to disrespect the flag, very unpatriotic

The flag is representative of the country. The flag isn't the country. I'm not being difficult - I'm merely pointing out that people don't fight and die for a piece of cloth, they fight and die for the country represented by the piece of cloth.

 

[Albion]

And I was merely using an example of something that most people would consider to be dishonorable, especially vulgar, something an elected official of the United States ought have more respect for his country than to do. I could have used a dozen other examples instead of this one.

 

[tango]

And I was merely using an example of something that most people would consider to be dishonorable, especially vulgar, something an elected official of the United States ought have more respect for his country than to do. I could have used a dozen other examples instead of this one.

So why not shift to a different one... it appears attitudes to buildings and flags are different in the US than in the UK.

 

[Albion]

My example was apt. It's just that I wasn't inviting a discussion about flag usage!

 

[tango]

My example was apt. It's just that I wasn't inviting a discussion about flag usage!

OK, let's stick to the example.... it's just that you raised the issue of whether I'd be troubled if he used a flag to wipe up afterwards, and I said that it wouldn't particularly bother me. I'd regard it as unusual for a national leader to wipe up with their own flag but just don't see it as a matter of great concern.

I thinkk we're agreed that in Clinton's case the problem was perjury rather than just what happened under the desk, and I think we're agreed in observing that those on one side howl about the other side's indiscretions while ignoring more or less identical behavior on their own side?

 

[Albion]

I think we're agreed that in Clinton's case the problem was perjury rather than just what happened under the desk, and I think we're agreed in observing that those on one side howl about the other side's indiscretions while ignoring more or less identical behavior on their own side?

Certainly not.

I right away rejected the mistaken attempt to equate those two significantly different situations.

You chose to focus on the words depravity and flag in my posts instead of what I was saying about the comparison between the events that involved Clinton and Trump.








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[tango]

Certainly not.

I right away rejected the mistaken attempt to equate those two significantly different situations.

You chose to focus on the words depravity and flag in my posts instead of what I was saying about the comparison between the events that involved Clinton and Trump.








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Perhaps you could clarify your stance then, I thought we were in agreement on at least something.

 

[Albion]

Indeed we are. I agreed with what you wrote back in post #13, which was the following:

I must admit I also have to wonder if there's some other agenda at play here. It seems sex-related scandals are the go-to method to bring down a politician these days and, once the target has been taken down, everything goes quiet.

 

[Ruth]

If she signed an agreement not to talk about it--and received money for doing so--and now breaks that contract, YOU BET she should be sued!

Trump never signed the contract. What are you yelling at me for??? Trying to intimidate me? Well, it didn't work dear.:disgonbegood:

 

[Ruth]

President Trump does not represent Christian values or virtues, but his sins in the White House pale to that of Warren G Harding who may have been the most immoral President of all time.
http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/20...harry-daugherty-naval-oil-reserves-mistresses

You are so correct.:bananmac:

 

[Ruth]

We have had some very immoral Presidents over the course of nearly 250 years. Trump has stated that he has no need to repent. One thing I know is that we are all in need of repentance.
As for removal from office. Clinton was not removed for sexual inpropriety in the office. I have no doubt Trump had affairs before being President. So far there is no evidence that he did anything wrong while acting as President.

Not yet but I bet there will be during his presidency.