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Start a new thread. Bring in all the verses surrounding so we can see context.

Nope, you wanted bible verses and theology in this thread. Luke 10:16 is a bible verse. It teaches some theology. Or it looks like it does unless you say it doesn't. So what does "Whoever listens to you listens to me, and whoever rejects you rejects me, and whoever rejects me rejects the one who sent me." teach?
 

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Nope, you wanted bible verses and theology in this thread. Luke 10:16 is a bible verse. It teaches some theology. Or it looks like it does unless you say it doesn't. So what does "Whoever listens to you listens to me, and whoever rejects you rejects me, and whoever rejects me rejects the one who sent me." teach?
Here you go. Read it.

Luke 10:1-24
[1]The Lord now chose seventy-two other disciples and sent them ahead in pairs to all the towns and places he planned to visit.
[2]These were his instructions to them: “The harvest is great, but the workers are few. So pray to the Lord who is in charge of the harvest; ask him to send more workers into his fields.
[3]Now go, and remember that I am sending you out as lambs among wolves.
[4]Don’t take any money with you, nor a traveler’s bag, nor an extra pair of sandals. And don’t stop to greet anyone on the road.
[5]“Whenever you enter someone’s home, first say, ‘May God’s peace be on this house.’
[6]If those who live there are peaceful, the blessing will stand; if they are not, the blessing will return to you.
[7]Don’t move around from home to home. Stay in one place, eating and drinking what they provide. Don’t hesitate to accept hospitality, because those who work deserve their pay.
[8]“If you enter a town and it welcomes you, eat whatever is set before you.
[9]Heal the sick, and tell them, ‘The Kingdom of God is near you now.’
[10]But if a town refuses to welcome you, go out into its streets and say,
[11]‘We wipe even the dust of your town from our feet to show that we have abandoned you to your fate. And know this—the Kingdom of God is near!’
[12]I assure you, even wicked Sodom will be better off than such a town on judgment day.
[13]“What sorrow awaits you, Korazin and Bethsaida! For if the miracles I did in you had been done in wicked Tyre and Sidon, their people would have repented of their sins long ago, clothing themselves in burlap and throwing ashes on their heads to show their remorse.
[14]Yes, Tyre and Sidon will be better off on judgment day than you.
[15]And you people of Capernaum, will you be honored in heaven? No, you will go down to the place of the dead.”
[16]Then he said to the disciples, “Anyone who accepts your message is also accepting me. And anyone who rejects you is rejecting me. And anyone who rejects me is rejecting God, who sent me.”
[17]When the seventy-two disciples returned, they joyfully reported to him, “Lord, even the demons obey us when we use your name!”
[18]“Yes,” he told them, “I saw Satan fall from heaven like lightning!
[19]Look, I have given you authority over all the power of the enemy, and you can walk among snakes and scorpions and crush them. Nothing will injure you.
[20]But don’t rejoice because evil spirits obey you; rejoice because your names are registered in heaven.”
[21]At that same time Jesus was filled with the joy of the Holy Spirit, and he said, “O*Father, Lord of heaven and earth, thank you for hiding these things from those who think themselves wise and clever, and for revealing them to the childlike. Yes, Father, it pleased you to do it this way.
[22]“My Father has entrusted everything to me. No one truly knows the Son except the Father, and no one truly knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal him.”
[23]Then when they were alone, he turned to the disciples and said, “Blessed are the eyes that see what you have seen.
[24]I tell you, many prophets and kings longed to see what you see, but they didn’t see it. And they longed to hear what you hear, but they didn’t hear it.”

Were any of the 72 from Rome?

What is the context of Jesus interaction with these 72? What is he telling these specific 72 to do?

Do you know what projection is?
 

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Here you go. Read it.

Luke 10:1-24
[1]The Lord now chose seventy-two other disciples and sent them ahead in pairs to all the towns and places he planned to visit.
[2]These were his instructions to them: “The harvest is great, but the workers are few. So pray to the Lord who is in charge of the harvest; ask him to send more workers into his fields.
[3]Now go, and remember that I am sending you out as lambs among wolves.
[4]Don’t take any money with you, nor a traveler’s bag, nor an extra pair of sandals. And don’t stop to greet anyone on the road.
[5]“Whenever you enter someone’s home, first say, ‘May God’s peace be on this house.’
[6]If those who live there are peaceful, the blessing will stand; if they are not, the blessing will return to you.
[7]Don’t move around from home to home. Stay in one place, eating and drinking what they provide. Don’t hesitate to accept hospitality, because those who work deserve their pay.
[8]“If you enter a town and it welcomes you, eat whatever is set before you.
[9]Heal the sick, and tell them, ‘The Kingdom of God is near you now.’
[10]But if a town refuses to welcome you, go out into its streets and say,
[11]‘We wipe even the dust of your town from our feet to show that we have abandoned you to your fate. And know this—the Kingdom of God is near!’
[12]I assure you, even wicked Sodom will be better off than such a town on judgment day.
[13]“What sorrow awaits you, Korazin and Bethsaida! For if the miracles I did in you had been done in wicked Tyre and Sidon, their people would have repented of their sins long ago, clothing themselves in burlap and throwing ashes on their heads to show their remorse.
[14]Yes, Tyre and Sidon will be better off on judgment day than you.
[15]And you people of Capernaum, will you be honored in heaven? No, you will go down to the place of the dead.”
[16]Then he said to the disciples, “Anyone who accepts your message is also accepting me. And anyone who rejects you is rejecting me. And anyone who rejects me is rejecting God, who sent me.”
[17]When the seventy-two disciples returned, they joyfully reported to him, “Lord, even the demons obey us when we use your name!”
[18]“Yes,” he told them, “I saw Satan fall from heaven like lightning!
[19]Look, I have given you authority over all the power of the enemy, and you can walk among snakes and scorpions and crush them. Nothing will injure you.
[20]But don’t rejoice because evil spirits obey you; rejoice because your names are registered in heaven.”
[21]At that same time Jesus was filled with the joy of the Holy Spirit, and he said, “O*Father, Lord of heaven and earth, thank you for hiding these things from those who think themselves wise and clever, and for revealing them to the childlike. Yes, Father, it pleased you to do it this way.
[22]“My Father has entrusted everything to me. No one truly knows the Son except the Father, and no one truly knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal him.”
[23]Then when they were alone, he turned to the disciples and said, “Blessed are the eyes that see what you have seen.
[24]I tell you, many prophets and kings longed to see what you see, but they didn’t see it. And they longed to hear what you hear, but they didn’t hear it.”

Were any of the 72 from Rome?

What is the context of Jesus interaction with these 72? What is he telling these specific 72 to do?

Do you know what projection is?
By the way, can you tell me the connection this passage has with Ezekiel?
 

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I read the passage - in fact the whole of the gospel according to Luke - before I quoted the verse.
 

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Well, you managed to quote some verses among which was the one I asked about - in your quote it reads [16]Then he said to the disciples, “Anyone who accepts your message is also accepting me. And anyone who rejects you is rejecting me. And anyone who rejects me is rejecting God, who sent me.” so what is that verse about then? What theological lesson does it contain?
 

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This is fun. We can slam each other w Bible verses. Catholics against the protestants. I want a good old fashioned snowball fight like we had in preschool, protestants against the catholics. We started with yelling Catholics elastics and then they yelled Protestants elephants.
 

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This is fun. We can slam each other w Bible verses. Catholics against the protestants. I want a good old fashioned snowball fight like we had in preschool, protestants against the catholics. We started with yelling Catholics elastics and then they yelled Protestants elephants.

Good idea. But the current issue is not Catholic versus Protestant. It is you asked for theology from the bible so tell me what you think Luke 10:16 is teaching. I think that Protestants have Luke 10:16 in their bibles same as Catholics do. No snowballs needed.
 

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Good idea. But the current issue is not Catholic versus Protestant. It is you asked for theology from the bible so tell me what you think Luke 10:16 is teaching. I think that Protestants have Luke 10:16 in their bibles same as Catholics do. No snowballs needed.

Awwwww... booring.
That text is quite clear. Doesn't need any explanation.
 
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I wondered how folk interpret what Jesus said. He said it to his disciples (apostles and others) about their mission to preach the gospel in the Locale of Galilee. But is that the limit of the assurance that what is taught by the Lord's disciples is what the Lord himself teaches? Is it time bound so that only the disciples to whom it was said are given that assurance?

No of course not.
It doesn't mean everyone has to listen if I utter some stupidity, but if I tell someone the gospel and they reject His Word, they reject Him.
 

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Awwwww... booring.
That text is quite clear. Doesn't need any explanation.

Okay, so you think it means what exactly for people living now?
 

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Okay, so you think it means what exactly for people living now?

If someone speaks Gods Word and you accept it you accept Him, if you reject it you reject Him, Jesus and the Father.
 

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If someone speaks Gods Word and you accept it you accept Him, if you reject it you reject Him, Jesus and the Father.

It means quoting the bible to people? Is that all?
 

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I wondered how folk interpret what Jesus said. He said it to his disciples (apostles and others) about their mission to preach the gospel in the Locale of Galilee. But is that the limit of the assurance that what is taught by the Lord's disciples is what the Lord himself teaches? Is it time bound so that only the disciples to whom it was said are given that assurance?
Not at all limited to time or those disciples in my opinion.
 

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Well, you managed to quote some verses among which was the one I asked about - in your quote it reads [16]Then he said to the disciples, “Anyone who accepts your message is also accepting me. And anyone who rejects you is rejecting me. And anyone who rejects me is rejecting God, who sent me.” so what is that verse about then? What theological lesson does it contain?
Anyone.... Without time constraint.....in my opinion.
 

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Not at all limited to time or those disciples in my opinion.

I agree. But I think that some will not agree. People from Catholic Answers use the passage as part of their theology of the Church's teaching office and even papal infallibility and Church council infallibility.

Anyone.... Without time constraint.....in my opinion.

Absolutely anyone? I would think that for doctrine and important matters of practise one would want a bishop or more than one bishop to be doing the teaching.
 

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I agree. But I think that some will not agree. People from Catholic Answers use the passage as part of their theology of the Church's teaching office and even papal infallibility and Church council infallibility.
Oh.... No.... See; that's where we loose one another.

The word being heard is not only synonymous with the written Word being preached by man.
 

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Oh.... No.... See; that's where we loose one another.

The word being heard is not only synonymous with the written Word being preached by man.

Yes, I agree. I did not think it was about toting a bible around and proof texting one's way through the world.
 

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I agree. But I think that some will not agree. People from Catholic Answers use the passage as part of their theology of the Church's teaching office and even papal infallibility and Church council infallibility.



Absolutely anyone? I would think that for doctrine and important matters of practise one would want a bishop or more than one bishop to be doing the teaching.
One church.... One high priest.

One Spirit, One comforter.

I do not agree with the hierarchy of the church.
 

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One church.... One high priest.

One Spirit, One comforter.

I do not agree with the hierarchy of the church.

Do you disagree with the hierarchy (it is only three levels deep deacon-priest-bishop with the bishop of Rome having universal jurisdiction) because your tradition does not have one or is there another reason that persuaded you to disagree?
 
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