the meaning of Baptism

[Imalive]

No, you were not already "born again" two years before your baptism. By the way, did your parents have you baptised in your infancy?

Yes hear I was. No no way. My dad was an atheist and my mom had to shut up w her stupid religion.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Yes hear I was. No no way. My dad was an atheist and my mom had to shut up w her stupid religion.

No, you were not

 

[Lamb]

There is your false teaching, which cannot be supported in scripture. You make a false assertion, which has comforted millions directly into hell.
If you truly believe what you say, you will go down to your local pool, start splashing and crying out "In the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit!" If you go on a busy day I bet half the town can be saved.
Your insistence upon a non-biblical means of regeneration is disappointing.

God is the one active in baptism.

"just as Christ loved the church and gave Himself up for her to sanctify her, cleansing her by the washing with water through the word," Ephesians 5:26

There is only one Christian baptism and you promote two which is not what Jesus tells the disciples.

 

[Imalive]

God is the one active in baptism.

"just as Christ loved the church and gave Himself up for her to sanctify her, cleansing her by the washing with water through the word," Ephesians 5:26

There is only one Christian baptism and you promote two which is not what Jesus tells the disciples.

The Word is like being washed w water. Peter was clean because of the Words He spoke to him.
Dutch says: cleansing her w the water bath of the Word.

 

[MennoSota]

God is the one active in baptism.

"just as Christ loved the church and gave Himself up for her to sanctify her, cleansing her by the washing with water through the word," Ephesians 5:26

There is only one Christian baptism and you promote two which is not what Jesus tells the disciples.

Look at the context and quit butchering scripture to feed your false teaching. There is NOTHING about baptism in Ephesians 5.
Ephesians 5:20-33
[20]And give thanks for everything to God the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.
[21]And further, submit to one another out of reverence for Christ.
[22]For wives, this means submit to your husbands as to the Lord.
[23]For a husband is the head of his wife as Christ is the head of the church. He is the Savior of his body, the church.
[24]As the church submits to Christ, so you wives should submit to your husbands in everything.
[25]For husbands, this means love your wives, just as Christ loved the church. He gave up his life for her
[26]to make her holy and clean, washed by the cleansing of God’s word.
[27]He did this to present her to himself as a glorious church without a spot or wrinkle or any other blemish. Instead, she will be holy and without fault.
[28]In the same way, husbands ought to love their wives as they love their own bodies. For a man who loves his wife actually shows love for himself.
[29]No one hates his own body but feeds and cares for it, just as Christ cares for the church.
[30]And we are members of his body.
[31]As the Scriptures say, “A man leaves his father and mother and is joined to his wife, and the two are united into one.”
[32]This is a great mystery, but it is an illustration of the way Christ and the church are one.
[33]So again I say, each man must love his wife as he loves himself, and the wife must respect her husband.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Baptism is the laver of regeneration.

 

[MennoSota]

Christians always baptise the unregenerate and the one baptised is always regenerated in baptism. Baptism is the washing of regeneration. That's what the scriptures teach.

Wrong. Take your false teaching back to hell where it came from because it doesn't come from God and his word. You are presenting a teaching from Satan, MC.

 

[Lamb]

Look at the context and quit butchering scripture to feed your false teaching. There is NOTHING about baptism in Ephesians 5.
Ephesians 5:20-33
[20]And give thanks for everything to God the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.
[21]And further, submit to one another out of reverence for Christ.
[22]For wives, this means submit to your husbands as to the Lord.
[23]For a husband is the head of his wife as Christ is the head of the church. He is the Savior of his body, the church.
[24]As the church submits to Christ, so you wives should submit to your husbands in everything.
[25]For husbands, this means love your wives, just as Christ loved the church. He gave up his life for her
[26]to make her holy and clean, washed by the cleansing of God’s word.
[27]He did this to present her to himself as a glorious church without a spot or wrinkle or any other blemish. Instead, she will be holy and without fault.
[28]In the same way, husbands ought to love their wives as they love their own bodies. For a man who loves his wife actually shows love for himself.
[29]No one hates his own body but feeds and cares for it, just as Christ cares for the church.
[30]And we are members of his body.
[31]As the Scriptures say, “A man leaves his father and mother and is joined to his wife, and the two are united into one.”
[32]This is a great mystery, but it is an illustration of the way Christ and the church are one.
[33]So again I say, each man must love his wife as he loves himself, and the wife must respect her husband.

I could accuse you of the same false teaching. Jesus didn't teach 2 Christian baptisms.

1 Corinthians 6:11 But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

 

[Imalive]

Ephesians 5:25. “Husbands, you must continually love your wives, just as the Messiah also loved the congregation and gave Himself over on her behalf, 26. so that He would sanctify His wife, the congregation, the bride, making her pure by washing with the word of Torah (Teaching), 27. in order that He would present for Himself the glorious congregation, not having spot or wrinkle or any of such things, but so that His bride would be holy and without blemish.

Onenewman translation.

 

[Lamb]

Wrong. Take your false teaching back to hell where it came from because it doesn't come from God and his word. You are presenting a teaching from Satan, MC.

You do realize we could accuse you of the same thing?

Perhaps it would be more instructive to address the text and not continually accuse members here.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Wrong. Take your false teaching back to hell where it came from because it doesn't come from God and his word. You are presenting a teaching from Satan, MC.

That baptism is the washing of regeneration is what holy scripture teaches. If you do not accept that it is because you reject what holy scripture teaches.

 

[Imalive]

For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through the living and enduring word of God” (1 Peter 1:23 – NIV)

“He chose to give us birth through the word of truth, that we might be a kind of firstfruits of all he created” (James 1:18 – NIV).

Therefore one is regenerated through the Word of God and not through water baptism

 

[Lamb]

For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through the living and enduring word of God” (1 Peter 1:23 – NIV)

“He chose to give us birth through the word of truth, that we might be a kind of firstfruits of all he created” (James 1:18 – NIV).

Therefore one is regenerated through the Word of God and not through water baptism

Baptism consists of water and the word of God. It's authorized by Jesus Himself for us to be baptized.

 

[Albion]

For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through the living and enduring word of God” (1 Peter 1:23 – NIV)

“He chose to give us birth through the word of truth, that we might be a kind of firstfruits of all he created” (James 1:18 – NIV).

Therefore one is regenerated through the Word of God and not through water baptism

The word of God causes us to accept Christ and to seek Baptism. It does not redeem us apart from everything else. If it did, we could be confident that anyone who has a copy of the Bible on his bookshelf is saved and needs do nothing more.

 

[Imalive]

That baptism is the washing of regeneration is what holy scripture teaches. If you do not accept that it is because you reject what holy scripture teaches.

The Scripture teaches water, but that's the Word.

Acts 10
To Him all the prophets witness that, through His name, whoever believes in Him will receive remission of sins.”

The Holy Spirit Falls on the Gentiles
44 While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell upon all those who heard the word. 45 And those of the circumcision who believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out on the Gentiles also. 46 For they heard them speak with tongues and magnify God.

Then Peter answered, 47 “Can anyone forbid water, that these should not be baptized who have received the Holy Spirit just as we have?” 48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then they asked him to stay a few days.

 

[MennoSota]

I could accuse you of the same false teaching. Jesus didn't teach 2 Christian baptisms.

1 Corinthians 6:11 But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

The baptism Jesus and his disciples performed was not unto salvation. Jesus hadn't atoned for sins at that time.
The only baptism needed is the Spirit's baptism, which comes at the moment God makes us alive.
Water baptism is not necessary for anything related to salvation. Water baptism is an obedience that comes after God has made a person alive and gifted her/him with faith.

Once again, you butcher scripture. Please stop abusing God's word as your prooftext out of context.
Read the chapter. There is NOTHING about baptism in the passage.
1 Corinthians 6:1-20
[1]When one of you has a dispute with another believer, how dare you file a lawsuit and ask a secular court to decide the matter instead of taking it to other believers!
[2]Don’t you realize that someday we believers will judge the world? And since you are going to judge the world, can’t you decide even these little things among yourselves?
[3]Don’t you realize that we will judge angels? So you should surely be able to resolve ordinary disputes in this life.
[4]If you have legal disputes about such matters, why go to outside judges who are not respected by the church?
[5]I am saying this to shame you. Isn’t there anyone in all the church who is wise enough to decide these issues?
[6]But instead, one believer sues another—right in front of unbelievers!
[7]Even to have such lawsuits with one another is a defeat for you. Why not just accept the injustice and leave it at that? Why not let yourselves be cheated?
[8]Instead, you yourselves are the ones who do wrong and cheat even your fellow believers.
[9]Don’t you realize that those who do wrong will not inherit the Kingdom of God? Don’t fool yourselves. Those who indulge in sexual sin, or who worship idols, or commit adultery, or are male prostitutes, or practice homosexuality,
[10]or are thieves, or greedy people, or drunkards, or are abusive, or cheat people—none of these will inherit the Kingdom of God.
[11]Some of you were once like that. But you were cleansed; you were made holy; you were made right with God by calling on the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.
[12]You say, “I am allowed to do anything”—but not everything is good for you. And even though “I am allowed to do anything,” I must not become a slave to anything.
[13]You say, “Food was made for the stomach, and the stomach for food.” (This is true, though someday God will do away with both of them.) But you can’t say that our bodies were made for sexual immorality. They were made for the Lord, and the Lord cares about our bodies.
[14]And God will raise us from the dead by his power, just as he raised our Lord from the dead.
[15]Don’t you realize that your bodies are actually parts of Christ? Should a man take his body, which is part of Christ, and join it to a prostitute? Never!
[16]And don’t you realize that if a man joins himself to a prostitute, he becomes one body with her? For the Scriptures say, “The two are united into one.”
[17]But the person who is joined to the Lord is one spirit with him.
[18]Run from sexual sin! No other sin so clearly affects the body as this one does. For sexual immorality is a sin against your own body.
[19]Don’t you realize that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit, who lives in you and was given to you by God? You do not belong to yourself,
[20]for God bought you with a high price. So you must honor God with your body.

 

[MoreCoffee]

For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through the living and enduring word of God” (1 Peter 1:23 – NIV)

“He chose to give us birth through the word of truth, that we might be a kind of firstfruits of all he created” (James 1:18 – NIV).

Therefore one is regenerated through the Word of God and not through water baptism

Your reasoning is at fault. Baptism is the washing of regeneration and renewal in the Holy Spirit and baptism is by means of water and the spoken word of God.

 

[MennoSota]

You do realize we could accuse you of the same thing?

Perhaps it would be more instructive to address the text and not continually accuse members here.

Use scripture, in its context, and accuse me. I dare you to find where I am misquoting scripture.

 

[MoreCoffee]

The Scripture teaches water, but that's the Word.
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That is not right. Water is water. One is baptised with water and the spoken word of God is proclaimed when one is baptised. It isn't a puzzle made of words where water really means word and word means something else.

 

[MennoSota]

That baptism is the washing of regeneration is what holy scripture teaches. If you do not accept that it is because you reject what holy scripture teaches.

You have no scripture, in its context, to prove your false teaching.
You realize you are abusing the scripture like a Muslim and a cult member, don't you?
We can go through a passage, verse by verse, if you wish. I would love to do so with you so that you would actually let the word of God say what it says.
Instead, I suspect you would rather pluck sentences from the Bible, use them out of context, and then claim the sentence as a prooftext.