The Church of Today

[amadeois]

Is the church of today following what Jesus intended from his followers?

Is the church doing it on the correct day?
And why?

Jesus was a jew from the tribe of Judah, and He was against of the hierarchy of the time, WHY?

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[Lamb]

Jesus wants us to worship Him. We are given faith so that we can believe and we are fed in the worship service by His Word and in Holy Communion.

I don't think Jesus would be upset by that except for those preaching against the forgiveness of sins that He died for on the cross.

 

[psalms 91]

Unfortunately the church at least here in the West is puffed up, full of pride, and unforgiveness in many cases and is populated by many who are not saved. The church in many cases falls down on what Christ wanted from us. I know this is negative but that is what i see, not in all cases but in mmany

 

[amadeois]

WHAT IS WORSHIP?

Is to pay respect to our Creator = God.

WHEN ARE WE SUPPOSED TO DO IT? ONLY AT THE WORSHIP SERVICES?

We are supposed to do it 24/7/366. 24 hours for 7 days of the week and for 366 days of a leap year. ALL OF THE TIME.

And worship is TO DO what He instructed us to do.

THE MESSAGE OF LOVE
1. Love God
2. Love your brother

THIS WORLD NEEDS A LOT OF LOVE

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[MoreCoffee]

Is the church of today following what Jesus intended from his followers?

Yes

Is the church doing it on the correct day?

Yes

And why?

Because the Lord promised to always be with the faithful until the end of the ages and he promised the holy Spirit would lead the Church into all truth so it is right to conclude that the Church is the spotless and pure bride of Christ as the holy scriptures teach.

Jesus was a jew from the tribe of Judah, and He was against of the hierarchy of the time, WHY?

Yes the Lord was born a Jew, accounted a member of the tribe of Judah, and he opposed the errors in teaching and conduct promoted by the leadership of Judaism living in his times. The Lord opposed their teaching because they taught errors, displaced the Law of Moses, distorted the teaching of the Law and the prophets. The Lord opposed their practises because they hypocritically extolled the law and the prophets while execrating them through their deeds.

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[Alithis]

Jesus wants us to worship Him. We are given faith so that we can believe and we are fed in the worship service by His Word and in Holy Communion.

I don't think Jesus would be upset by that except for those preaching against the forgiveness of sins that He died for on the cross.

Worship service...??? = living sacrifice...dying to self...obedience to christ... Doing his will not our own... Not continuing in sin.

1Therefore I urge you, brothers, on account of God’s mercy, to offer your bodies as living sacrifices, holy and pleasing to God, which is your spiritual service of worship. 2Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to discern what is the good, pleasing, and perfect will of God.…

 

[Alithis]

Unfortunately the church at least here in the West is puffed up, full of pride, and unforgiveness in many cases and is populated by many who are not saved. The church in many cases falls down on what Christ wanted from us. I know this is negative but that is what i see, not in all cases but in mmany

Most...

 

[Alithis]

YesYesBecause the Lord promised to always be with the faithful until the end of the ages and he promised the holy Spirit would lead the Church into all truth so it is right to conclude that the Church is the spotless and pure bride of Christ as the holy scriptures teach.Yes the Lord was born a Jew, accounted a member of the tribe of Judah, and he opposed the errors in teaching and conduct promoted by the leadership of Judaism living in his times. The Lord opposed their teaching because they taught errors, displaced the Law of Moses, distorted the teaching of the Law and the prophets. The Lord opposed their practises because they hypocritically extolled the law and the prophets while execrating them through their deeds.

The correct day point alone shows how much it Has it totally wrong.
God cares nothing for you Sun-day.
Nor any day of mans imposition .

 

[tango]

Is the church of today following what Jesus intended from his followers?

The question is too vague to give a meaningful reply. "The church" is such a broad term that includes untold thousands if not millions of churches worldwide of all denominations. I don't doubt for a minute that some churches are little more than glorified social clubs while others really get busy doing God's work.

Is the church doing it on the correct day?
And why?

I don't honestly think God cares what day we come together to praise and worship collectively. We can worship alone or as part of a group, and we can worship whenever and wherever. This seems like just another rehash of the whole Saturday or Sunday issue.

Jesus was a jew from the tribe of Judah, and He was against of the hierarchy of the time, WHY?

He was against the established leaders for all sorts of reasons.

 

[tango]

Worship service...??? = living sacrifice...dying to self...obedience to christ... Doing his will not our own... Not continuing in sin.

1Therefore I urge you, brothers, on account of God’s mercy, to offer your bodies as living sacrifices, holy and pleasing to God, which is your spiritual service of worship. 2Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to discern what is the good, pleasing, and perfect will of God.…

It's always handy if you quote a reference rather than just verse numbers.

Romans 12 if anyone else was wondering.

 

[amadeois]

If we visit 10 churches, they have a sign outside that reads:

Worship services:
9:00 AM
11:00 AM
1:00 PM

Only 2 hours a week.

Worship is not praise.

Worship is to pay respect to someone, to pay homage.

And we should do it 7/24/366.

At home, in your business, at school, at the mall, at the beach, everywhere.

Are you doing it 2 hours or 7/24 hours a week?

All the time is your decision?

I still see a mighty wind going from thread to thread.

Sorry fellows, that is what I see until some people (not everybody ) change their attitude or see the light, or see the Truth.

You'll know them by their fruits.

Peace be with you.

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[tango]

If we visit 10 churches, they have a sign outside that reads:

Worship services:
9:00 AM
11:00 AM
1:00 PM

Only 2 hours a week.

Worship is not praise.

Worship is to pay respect to someone, to pay homage.

And we should do it 7/24/366.

You're mixing things up here.

Nobody is saying we shouldn't worship all the time. It's just that if we sit in the church building 24/7/366 we're not going to get a whole lot of anything else done. What's the problem with coming together to praise and worship collectively for a couple of hours at a time and continuing on with personal worship in our daily lives? All these posts seem to come from an assumption that it's either one or the other when it just isn't.

Are you doing it 2 hours or 7/24 hours a week?

As a group, a couple of hours a week. Individually, a whole lot more.

I still see a mighty wind going from thread to thread.

Sorry fellows, that is what I see until some people (not everybody ) change their attitude or see the light, or see the Truth.

You'll know them by their fruits.

Peace be with you.

With respect, you seem to be "seeing" based on lots of assumptions and logical fallacies. Seeing that a church building hosts worship services for two hours at a time doesn't mean that the people who attend for two hours cease worshiping the minute they leave the premises. The fact I'm in a church building for two hours in the week doesn't mean I've stopped worshiping, nor that I don't worship for the other 166 hours in the week.

The reasoning here isn't entirely unlike a person who sees me eating a $30 steak at a restaurant one evening, multiplies that $30 by the 31 days in a month, and then complains at how cold-hearted I must be to spend $930 on steaks in a month when people are starving.

 

[amadeois]

It is happening again. The wind is getting stronger.

People are blind.
The 2 hours at the church on Sundays is NOT worship is Praise.

If you are seating in the benches or pews, you are still not getting the chance to be obedient to God out there in the World.

I see the fruits.

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[tango]

It is happening again. The wind is getting stronger.

People are blind.
The 2 hours at the church on Sundays is NOT worship is Praise.

Really? I never knew you were watching me when I was in church. Please don't presume to speak for what I'm doing in church. Some of it is praise, some of it is worship, some of it is prayer, some of it is fellowship.

It's silly to think you can worship 24/7/366 but mysteriously it doesn't count just because you're in a church building for a couple of hours.

If you are seating in the benches or pews, you are still not getting the chance to be obedient to God out there in the World.

Should I stop sleeping as well then, because while I'm sleeping I'm not getting the chance to be obedient to God out there in the world either.

I see the fruits.

No need for backhanded comments like this. You don't actually see the fruits because you have never seen the way I live my life.

 

[amadeois]

I'm out of here.
I don't like windy places.

Peace be with you brothers.

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[Alithis]

It's always handy if you quote a reference rather than just verse numbers.

Romans 12 if anyone else was wondering.

lol . it doesn't really matter , verses and ch were only added about 500 yrs back .
if its in there its in there and if it is written - it is so .

 

[tango]

lol . it doesn't really matter , verses and ch were only added about 500 yrs back .
if its in there its in there and if it is written - it is so .

It doesn't hurt to take a few seconds to list the reference so people can read the context.

Otherwise people don't know if you did something like this:

28 You will also declare a thing, And it will be established for you;

If they don't know that it's from Job 22 they can't check the context, which in this case would indicate something very different from taking the verse out of context and at face value.

 

[Lamb]

I like tango's response about sleep and is that disobedient?

As Christians we have the Holy Spirit as our guide. The OP chose to list the 2 greatest commandments that Jesus spoke of concerning loving God and neighbor. This is not what saves us and Christians know that. The Savior saves! We love God and our neighbor BECAUSE we are the saved.

Do we love God and our neighbors constantly? None of us do which once again we have to look to the cross since we are not 100% perfect enough.

Our worship to God, since we live in sinful human bodies, will also not be perfect. Yet, we as Christians count on the Holy Spirit to guide us in all our doings. Thanks be to God.

 

[popsthebuilder]

The question is too vague to give a meaningful reply. "The church" is such a broad term that includes untold thousands if not millions of churches worldwide of all denominations. I don't doubt for a minute that some churches are little more than glorified social clubs while others really get busy doing God's work.



I don't honestly think God cares what day we come together to praise and worship collectively. We can worship alone or as part of a group, and we can worship whenever and wherever. This seems like just another rehash of the whole Saturday or Sunday issue.



He was against the established leaders for all sorts of reasons.

Hypocrisy due to greed

 

[Josiah]

Is the church of today following what Jesus intended from his followers?

No.

Collectively and individually, Christians are sinners who fall short of the mark. Collectively and individually, we do not love exactly as and to the same extent that Jesus loves us. Collectively and individually, we are not making disciples of all 7.3 billion people as Jesus told us to do. Collectively and individually, we are not morally perfect as Jesus commanded us to be. Collectively and individually, we have not been faithful stewards of the MYSTERIES of God. Indeed, we have often "lorded it over each other as the Gentiles do" being obessed with power, control rather than love and service. We have failed. Good thing we are a forgiven people. But yes, we should do better.....


Lord, have mercy.
Christ, have mercy.
Lord, have mercy.





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