USA Serious question: How can a faithful Christian support the Democratic Party?

[Marston]

Let me preface by saying that I'm a registered independent and I take issue with many members of the GOP as well as some Republican policy positions.

The Democratic Party, however, is on a whole other level of ungodly doctrines. Here are some:

Support abortion
Support homosexual lifestyles
Believe and teach that people can change their sex.
Support mutilating children in the name of "gender-affirming care".
Remove Jesus from government, schools, and society.

I don't understand how a faithful Christian can support the Democratic Party. Perhaps someone can make it make sense for me.

 

[Edward429451]

Let me preface by saying that I'm a registered independent and I take issue with many members of the GOP as well as some Republican policy positions.

The Democratic Party, however, is on a whole other level of ungodly doctrines. Here are some:

Support abortion
Support homosexual lifestyles
Believe and teach that people can change their sex.
Support mutilating children in the name of "gender-affirming care".
Remove Jesus from government, schools, and society.

I don't understand how a faithful Christian can support the Democratic Party. Perhaps someone can make it make sense for me.

It sounds like you have a handle on it already. You cannot be a democrat and be a faithful christian. Because of all the reasons that you stated. They dont want faithful christians with them, remember Kamala when someone yelled "Jesus is King"? And she said, you guys want the rally up the street and not here...

Your instincts are working fine. . If you are a democrat then you are coming into agreement with the evil spirits that are behind those agendas, and a man can not serve two Masters.

 

[Frankj]

I've noticed that wherever a State or City is run by Democrats you will see a definite official hostility toward Christianity and defense of Islam.

This should indicate something about the Democrat party and what it stands for, and being a Democrat means giving support to this even if it isn't your personal intention to do so.

 

[Lamb]

I have a lot of Christian friends who are Democrats. They don't believe that some of the things listed in the OP are sins, or they give reasons why they would allow those things to happen, for the greater good or to save a life? I believe they are just swayed by the world and Satan, so that they're blind to what's really happening.

 

[Frankj]

I have a lot of Christian friends who are Democrats. They don't believe that some of the things listed in the OP are sins, or they give reasons why they would allow those things to happen, for the greater good or to save a life? I believe they are just swayed by the world and Satan, so that they're blind to what's really happening.

If they claim to be Christian, how do they get around the Bible when forming their views?

The reality is, Christian or other, everyone becomes righteous in their own mind when they have no absolute and unchangeable standard of right and wrong, good and evil, darkness and light.

For a Christian, this standard must be the Bible, otherwise you end up just calling yourself Christian without being one.

 

[Marston]

It sounds like you have a handle on it already. You cannot be a democrat and be a faithful christian. Because of all the reasons that you stated. They dont want faithful christians with them, remember Kamala when someone yelled "Jesus is King"? And she said, you guys want the rally up the street and not here...

Your instincts are working fine. . If you are a democrat then you are coming into agreement with the evil spirits that are behind those agendas, and a man can not serve two Masters.

Very well said.

 

[Marston]

The reality is, Christian or other, everyone becomes righteous in their own mind when they have no absolute and unchangeable standard of right and wrong, good and evil, darkness and light.

Cafeteria Christianity.

 

[Lamb]

If they claim to be Christian, how do they get around the Bible when forming their views?

The reality is, Christian or other, everyone becomes righteous in their own mind when they have no absolute and unchangeable standard of right and wrong, good and evil, darkness and light.

For a Christian, this standard must be the Bible, otherwise you end up just calling yourself Christian without being one.

Some of the verses given to call out those sins, they believe were meant for certain groups or that the verses meant something different. Not that I believe them, I've just heard a lot of excuses.

 

[Frankj]

Some of the verses given to call out those sins, they believe were meant for certain groups or that the verses meant something different. Not that I believe them, I've just heard a lot of excuses.

Sadly, Christians are good at making excuses.

 

[tango]

I have a lot of Christian friends who are Democrats. They don't believe that some of the things listed in the OP are sins, or they give reasons why they would allow those things to happen, for the greater good or to save a life? I believe they are just swayed by the world and Satan, so that they're blind to what's really happening.

I think with the abortion issue in particular it's very easy to claim to be "pro-life" while actually doing nothing more than demanding a pregnant woman give birth only to then use her motherhood as another stick to beat her with.

It's easy to point fingers and tell someone what they did wrong, but if all we're going to offer could be condensed into "I wouldn't start from here" then it's nothing more than posturing. Yes, maybe she should have kept her legs together but that doesn't help her here and now. If it's so important to us that she carries her pregnancy to term and gives birth, what happens next? Are those of us who oppose abortion willing to step up and help her with the consequences of doing what is right, or do we then just blame her again for being a drain on society when she can't work because she has a baby to look after?

(Before I go any further, what follows isn't intended to be directed at anyone - although I replied to Lamb's post it's intended to be generic)

One thing I've learned from talking with a few friends in awkward situations is that it's very easy to tell someone what they should do when you're not the one who has to do it, and it's very easy to judge other people for their decisions when you don't see what options they had available at the time. Judging someone without at least taking the time to understand their situation really doesn't help anyone - even Jesus ate with the sinners while lambasting the Pharisees. Getting close to someone, understanding them and helping them through a difficult situation can take a significant investment of time, money or other resources.

If we want to work with the concept of "come as you are, but don't stay as you were" we trash our own message if people feel judged and that they can't come as they are.

 

[Marston]

I think with the abortion issue in particular it's very easy to claim to be "pro-life" while actually doing nothing more than demanding a pregnant woman give birth only to then use her motherhood as another stick to beat her with.

It's easy to point fingers and tell someone what they did wrong, but if all we're going to offer could be condensed into "I wouldn't start from here" then it's nothing more than posturing. Yes, maybe she should have kept her legs together but that doesn't help her here and now. If it's so important to us that she carries her pregnancy to term and gives birth, what happens next? Are those of us who oppose abortion willing to step up and help her with the consequences of doing what is right, or do we then just blame her again for being a drain on society when she can't work because she has a baby to look after?

(Before I go any further, what follows isn't intended to be directed at anyone - although I replied to Lamb's post it's intended to be generic)

One thing I've learned from talking with a few friends in awkward situations is that it's very easy to tell someone what they should do when you're not the one who has to do it, and it's very easy to judge other people for their decisions when you don't see what options they had available at the time. Judging someone without at least taking the time to understand their situation really doesn't help anyone - even Jesus ate with the sinners while lambasting the Pharisees. Getting close to someone, understanding them and helping them through a difficult situation can take a significant investment of time, money or other resources.

If we want to work with the concept of "come as you are, but don't stay as you were" we trash our own message if people feel judged and that they can't come as they are.

I don't believe that anyone here is condemning anyone. We're only pointing out that the Democratic Party supports many things that are contrary to God and that faithful Christians should NOT be supporting.

 

[Frankj]

If we want to work with the concept of "come as you are, but don't stay as you were" we trash our own message if people feel judged and that they can't come as they are.

If 'as they are' means unrepentant and unwilling to acknowledge their sinful past, calling it right instead of wrong, justifying it instead of admitting to its sinful nature, maybe this is the way it should be.

IMO, all who are repentant should be welcomed and all who are not should not be.

 

[tango]

I don't believe that anyone here is condemning anyone. We're only pointing out that the Democratic Party supports many things that are contrary to God and that faithful Christians should NOT be supporting.

Hence my comment about things being generic. It's easy to say "don't have an abortion" but much less easy to offer a workable alternative. It's easy to say "you should have kept your pants on" but much less easy to help with the situation as of now.

 

[tango]

If 'as they are' means unrepentant and unwilling to acknowledge their sinful past, calling it right instead of wrong, justifying it instead of admitting to its sinful nature, maybe this is the way it should be.

IMO, all who are repentant should be welcomed and all who are not should not be.

People can only come as they are. It's not possible for someone to come as anything other than what they are.

How will they know what Christ offers if their only experience of Christians involved feeling judged? This isn't just a theoretical construct, I personally know people who have been driven away from churches by the very people who claim to show Christ's love. Some sins are visible, some sins have visible consequences. Are our sins, the ones that don't show up visibly in public, any less offensive to God?

 

[Marston]

It's easy to say "don't have an abortion" but much less easy to offer a workable alternative.

A "workable alternative" to KILLING one's offspring is to bear them and raise them. That this is even an option speaks to the depravity of the Democratic Party.

 

[Marston]

How will they know what Christ offers if their only experience of Christians involved feeling judged?

That's not the topic and I don't recall anybody here casting condemnation upon others.

 

[Frankj]

I've seen to primary things destroy the moral condition of our culture during my lifetime and lead to the degeneration we accept as normal today.

No fault divorce took commitment away from marriage and the family it is meant to produce.

Abortion took responsibility away from sexual relations which were meant to be in marriage and family.

 

[tango]

A "workable alternative" to KILLING one's offspring is to bear them and raise them. That this is even an option speaks to the depravity of the Democratic Party.

No, it speaks to the reality that life doesn't make it easy for a single woman to raise a child. Try finding a job that pays enough to cover your rent, when you can only work certain hours. If you're set up to be a single mother with a son, good luck if you find you need bigger accommodation (that you can't afford) before social services decides your son is too old to share a bedroom with his mother and takes him into care.

As I said, it's easy to point fingers and another thing entirely to step in and help. It's easy to say what someone should do when you're not the one who has to do it.

That young woman in line at the abortion clinic might not even want an abortion, but maybe she doesn't see that she has options. Stepping up to help and provide options takes work, it's so much easier to condemn her and then wonder why she won't listen to anything else we have to say.

 

[tango]

That's not the topic and I don't recall anybody here casting condemnation upon others.

But it is exactly the topic.

How would Jesus approach that scared young woman in line at the abortion clinic? Of course he wouldn't want her to go through with the abortion but I imagine he'd offer more than harsh words about killing babies, while shrugging off the very real needs that scare that young woman into believing an abortion is her only option.

 

[Frankj]

No, it speaks to the reality that life doesn't make it easy for a single woman to raise a child

Isn't it interesting how difficult our lives can become when we decide we no longer need to obey God's laws, his rules, his plan for us, and can just ignore them, and maybe even more interesting that we then think we can solve the problem it has created by violating even more of them.

I wonder what the solution to such a condition could be?