Salvation

[Maranatha]

I'm following the discussion "Did Christ die for them that are perishing"
But I have "insufficient privileges" to comment on what is called "Bible study"
So I just like to add my opinion here.

To understand our Salvation is paramount, nothing is more important.
@Lil Mikey
Welcome to the forum, thank you for your post and for writing the truth

@franky
you wrote: "We all have opinions and like the blind men describing the elephant all of us are both right and wrong at the same time."
Opinions don't save us, salvation is not based on opinions

@Brightfame
you call those who don't agree with you "false teachers" eg:
Now false teachers would tell us that this freedom from their sins condemnation and punishment of them is not until they believe,
which is not the truth and a attempt to steal the Crown of Victory from Christ and His Love and His Blood ! Those of us He died for
are loosed from our sins by His Blood alone !Rev 1:5 43 ( 21. April)

You are spreading a false Gospel !

@Moderators
Do you agree with Brightfame?
If not why don't you lock that thread ?

 

[Frankj]

@franky
you wrote: "We all have opinions and like the blind men describing the elephant all of us are both right and wrong at the same time."
Opinions don't save us, salvation is not based on opinions

That's kind of my point, we all have opinions about what something means, and it is when we hold our own opinion as superior to all other opinions and even go so far as to claim any other view (opinion) than our own is false we end up limiting our knowledge of overall truth the same the blind men and their elephant did.

When we talk of Jesus dying for all, what are we actually talking about? All is a rather inclusive word, and it contains more than just a narrow Western meaning two thousand or more years after it was spoken.

 

[Lamb]

I'm following the discussion "Did Christ die for them that are perishing"
But I have "insufficient privileges" to comment on what is called "Bible study"
So I just like to add my opinion here.

To understand our Salvation is paramount, nothing is more important.
@Lil Mikey
Welcome to the forum, thank you for your post and for writing the truth

@franky
you wrote: "We all have opinions and like the blind men describing the elephant all of us are both right and wrong at the same time."
Opinions don't save us, salvation is not based on opinions

@Brightfame
you call those who don't agree with you "false teachers" eg:
Now false teachers would tell us that this freedom from their sins condemnation and punishment of them is not until they believe,
which is not the truth and a attempt to steal the Crown of Victory from Christ and His Love and His Blood ! Those of us He died for
are loosed from our sins by His Blood alone !Rev 1:5 43 ( 21. April)

You are spreading a false Gospel !

@Moderators
Do you agree with Brightfame?
If not why don't you lock that thread ?

Why do the moderators need to lock the thread?

According to what @brightfame52's beliefs, false teachers are those who adhere to the things that were listed. Now, if you ask me what I believe false teachers are, I might give you a different answer, but it's not flaming to state what you believe false teaching is. What would be flaming would to be repeatedly call someone here on the forum in a thread a false teacher. That would be too much.

 

[Lil Mikey]

When we talk of Jesus dying for all, what are we actually talking about? All is a rather inclusive word, and it contains more than just a narrow Western meaning two thousand or more years after it was spoken.

So what do you think "ALL" means in verse,
1Ti 2:4 who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.

1Ti 2:6 who gave Himself as a ransom for all, the testimony given at the proper time.

2Co 5:14 For the love of Christ controls us, having concluded this, that one died for all, therefore all died;
2Co 5:15 and He died for all, so that they who live might no longer live for themselves, but for Him who died and rose again on their behalf.

When you look at the context what conclusions do you come to as to who are the "ALL"

 

[Frankj]

So what do you think "ALL" means in verse,
1Ti 2:4 who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.

1Ti 2:6 who gave Himself as a ransom for all, the testimony given at the proper time.

2Co 5:14 For the love of Christ controls us, having concluded this, that one died for all, therefore all died;
2Co 5:15 and He died for all, so that they who live might no longer live for themselves, but for Him who died and rose again on their behalf.

When you look at the context what conclusions do you come to as to who are the "ALL"

To me all means all, no exceptions. everyone ever born, Adam and included even though they were not born, from the beginning of time to the end of it.

No one is lost to salvation even though having died before the flood.

What does it mean to you?

 

[Lil Mikey]

To me all means all, no exceptions. everyone ever born, Adam and included even though they were not born, from the beginning of time to the end of it.

No one is lost to salvation even though having died before the flood.

What does it mean to you?

From what you wrote am I to conclude that you are a universalist? I would hope not as that is a heretical view.

""ALL" in the context of the verses I posted means that all can be saved not that all will be saved.

 

[Frankj]

From what you wrote am I to conclude that you are a universalist? I would hope not as that is a heretical view.

""ALL" in the context of the verses I posted means that all can be saved not that all will be saved.

So then all doesn't really mean all then, instead it means some?

Tell me how that works without interpreting anything, strictly relying on the perfect use of language in scripture (which is already being denied by saying all really means some instead of all, which is an interpretation of a word which puts it in the class of an opinion).

 

[Lil Mikey]

So then all doesn't really mean all then, instead it means some?

Tell me how that works without interpreting anything, strictly relying on the perfect use of language in scripture (which is already being denied by saying all really means some instead of all, which is an interpretation of a word which puts it in the class of an opinion).

Well if we went by your understanding then we have universalism which is a heresy. Do you hold to universalism?

Do you have a problem reading what I wrote?

ALL can be saved, which is just what we see in those verses. But only those that freely trust in the risen Christ will be saved.

From your comment it would seem that you lack the ability to read and understand the words in these verses.

So what do you think "ALL" means in verse,
1Ti 2:4 who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.

That is God's desire, all can be saved, but He does not force anyone to be saved.

1Ti 2:6 who gave Himself as a ransom for all, the testimony given at the proper time.

The death of Christ paid the ransom for all but only those that believe in Him will be saved.

2Co 5:14 For the love of Christ controls us, having concluded this, that one died for all, therefore all died;
2Co 5:15 and He died for all, so that they who live might no longer live for themselves, but for Him who died and rose again on their behalf.

If Your a Sinner, Then Christ Died for You.

In other words, since we’re all sinners (Rom_3:23), then Christ died for everyone. This is so simple, that anyone can understand it.

 

[Frankj]

In other words, since we’re all sinners (Rom_3:23), then Christ died for everyone. This is so simple, that anyone can understand it.

Isn't that exactly what I said when I said all includes every man from Adam to the end of mankind?

You are the one that took exception to that, and you are the one that says scripture is exactly what it says and cannot be interpreted to mean or include anything other than that which would put it into the category of opinion (something you took issue with concerning anyone having and claiming you are free of)

Are you sure you are talking about the same thing I am? Again, I point out that language is imprecise and can easily result in misunderstandings between people like the blind men's understanding of an elephant where each is thinking of it as being different when they are simply touching different parts of the same thing.

 

[Lil Mikey]

Isn't that exactly what I said when I said all includes every man from Adam to the end of mankind?

You are the one that took exception to that, and you are the one that says scripture is exactly what it says and cannot be interpreted to mean or include anything other than that which would put it into the category of opinion (something you took issue with concerning anyone having and claiming you are free of)

Are you sure you are talking about the same thing I am? Again, I point out that language is imprecise and can easily result in misunderstandings between people like the blind men's understanding of an elephant where each is thinking of it as being different when they are simply touching different parts of the same thing.

It would seem that you do nit even know what you are talking about.

To quote you

"To me all means all, no exceptions. everyone ever born, Adam and included even though they were not born, from the beginning of time to the end of it.

No one is lost to salvation even though having died before the flood."

Are ALL people saved or are all people able to be saved.


It seems that you want language to be imprecise so that you can make it say what you want it to say. That is just what we see the cults do. They attach their own meaning to words so as to make the word of God support their particular views.

The view that you are promoting has and will continue to lead to many errors.