Roy Moore loses but doesn't concede

[psalms 91]

And dishonest and brings into question her credibility

 

[Imalive]

All kinds of people stood up for him! People in a position to know the facts refuted claim after claim. And many stood up for him on account of being the man they know now. So you can forget the *somebody should stand up for him* approach.

I hadn't followed it anymore the last weeks. Wow. If she just lied they should do it over.
I just saw they had no kid locks in cars in 1977 and her stepson says she lies.

https://youtu.be/-5vxpiLmpjM

 

[NewCreation435]

This election should get the Republicans attention. Particularly since this was a state that Trump won and he has had large turn outs at rallies in this state. He isn't as popular as he was before. His influence didn't help Moore and women voters and black voters didn't vote Republican. I think this spells trouble during the mid term election cycle. Democrats don't need many more people in Congress to become the majority. Then guess what. We will probably start hearing about impeachment

 

[Albion]

This election should get the Republicans attention. Particularly since this was a state that Trump won and he has had large turn outs at rallies in this state. He isn't as popular as he was before. His influence didn't help Moore and women voters and black voters didn't vote Republican.

FWIW, I have doubts about this analysis. There was too much going against the Republican nominees he's campaigned for lately for him to overcome.

I think this spells trouble during the mid term election cycle.

I think so, too, but mainly because of the failures of the Congressional Repubs to deliver.

Democrats don't need many more people in Congress to become the majority. Then guess what. We will probably start hearing about impeachment

Start?

 

[tango]

FWIW, I have doubts about this analysis. There was too much going against the Republican nominees he's campaigned for lately for him to overcome.

It's difficult to know just what factors came into play the most. If one candidate is suspected (with whatever level of credibility) of sexual misconduct and some of their regular supporters decide to stay home it can sway the election. If people are casting a protest vote against Trump it could sway the election. If Democrats who stayed home because a Clinton presidency was such a sure thing in 2016 decided to turn out in force it could sway the election.

I think so, too, but mainly because of the failures of the Congressional Repubs to deliver.

It is a shame that the Republicans talked for so long about changing the tax code, and about "repeal and replace" of the disaster that is Obamacare, yet when the time came to deliver they didn't seem to have much in the way of ideas.

 

[Stravinsk]

Meh.

I haven't read up on either of the candidates so don't "know" anything about them, much less accusations thrown around in the political arena (the context of which should always add a pound of salt to such accusations imo) - but it seems to me that such a small margin of victory would be enough to justifiably call for a recount, just to make sure.

 

[kiwimac]

Until then, she had represented it as being entirely his writing, however. It was only when handwriting experts called attention to the inconsistencies that the truth came out. Nor was what she added inconsequential since she was trying to say that they were personally close, not that he signed a book that had been left out somewhere or passed around for any well-wisher to make some nice entry as is often done with yearbooks. In fact, there is in the entry that was presented to the press no evidence that it was her own yearbook...except for the addition that, contrary to your post, included a critical location. All this was forged, not just added.

She forged nothing. Adding a date and time / location is not a forgery. Writing his signature and attempting to pass it off as Moore's THAT's forgery and NOT what happened here.

 

[kiwimac]

Meh.

I haven't read up on either of the candidates so don't "know" anything about them, much less accusations thrown around in the political arena (the context of which should always add a pound of salt to such accusations imo) - but it seems to me that such a small margin of victory would be enough to justifiably call for a recount, just to make sure.

The electoral law in Alabama requires a mandatory recount if the margin is .5% or less. Here the margin is 1.5%. No recount unless the Moore pays for it.

 

[NewCreation435]

here's the final numbers
https://www.nytimes.com/elections/results/alabama-senate-special-election-roy-moore-doug-jones

 

[Albion]

She forged nothing. Adding a date and time / location is not a forgery. .

Yes, it was forgery. And you've already been informed that the date was not all that was added. A supposed title was apparently added to the signature (an incorrect one), and the name of a restaurant where the signing supposedly took place. There is a reason for adding each of those.

The parts that were added were made to look like the original hand, and she did claim the whole thing as original when she and her attorney held their widely-seen press conference.

Days later, there were questions asked about the slightly different appearing parts of the text, and there was a call for the book to be submitted to a handwriting expert. The accuser and her attorney refused to do that.

Yes, it was forgery.

 

[kiwimac]

I entirely disagree. I'm simply glad that the molester was not elected.

 

[Imalive]

She forged nothing. Adding a date and time / location is not a forgery. Writing his signature and attempting to pass it off as Moore's THAT's forgery and NOT what happened here.

No but it does make her suspicious and her stepson says she lies and there were no child locks in 1977 and the story doesn't make sense. Her boyfriend would pick her up. He was late, so she goes w judge Moore w out telling the bf who's aggressive. Wouldn't he get mad at her for just leaving him there?
She's a real good actor.

 

[Josiah]

Roy Moore was an "outsider" who - without the support of the Republican Party managed to narrowly win the primary and get the nomination (a bit of a repeat of what happened with Trump), so many Republicans did not support him. He was not considered "main stream" indeed many didn't consider him Republican at all. He simply never had strong, broad support from the Republicans of Alabama. Nonetheless, he led in the polls and he likely would have won the election (although perhaps narrowly) because Alabama is a strongly "red" state.

What derailed all that was the sexual allegations. The ENTIRELY ELECTION became SOLELY about that, as the Democrat stressed. Contrary to the very predictable media "spin", it had nothing to do with Trump or the Republican Party or any issue at all, it was about the sexual allegations. Many Republicans didn't vote for him because they felt he wasn't really Republican (but a wacko) and many more because of the sexual allegations - thus permitting the Democrat to win by a now 1.5%.

We are at a point in our American culture where all of this has risen to the top. And our culture currently is insisting that allegations make one guilty (the Rule of Law entirely abandoned). We can debate the wisdom of this approach but it's where we are "at" at this moment. And it was one of two reasons why a lot of Republicans in Alabama didn't vote for Moore and thus allowed his opponent to very narrowly win.


- Josiah




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[Albion]

I entirely disagree.

Go for it. No one can take your a personal opinion from you. However, the facts point in a different direction.

 

[Albion]

We are at a point in our American culture where all of this has risen to the top. And our culture currently is insisting that allegations make one guilty (the Rule of Law entirely abandoned). We can debate the wisdom of this approach but it's where we are "at" at this moment. And it was one of two reasons why a lot of Republicans in Alabama didn't vote for Moore and thus allowed his opponent to very narrowly win.

Very true. It's noteworthy (to me) that not a single comment from any Socialist, Democrat activist, NeverTrumper, or anti-American foreigner that I have read anywhere online has taken any position on this matter other than that Roy Moore had to be guilty just because he was accused.

And not only this, but now that the Democrats have a rare off-year victory under their belts, partially because they were able to outspend the Republican candidate 5 to 1, they are certain to conduct all upcoming election battles using the monies of a few billionaire backers + sexual impropriety allegations. This cannot be good for our country or for democracy.

 

[tango]

When you've got billionaires funding their pet projects on both sides about all you can say is that you get the best democracy money can buy.

 

[tango]

It's just another reason why small government is better than big government. The smaller the government is the less there is to buy.