ROMANS 11 WHO IS THE WILD OLIVE TREE?

[YourTruthGod]

Hi

You said....You think God doesn't want us to obey and that it is grace? No way is that scriptural.

For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,

Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world; Titus 2:11-12

You misunderstood me

No, I did not misunderstand you.

 

[RichWh1]

Jesus says.

When did Jesus say keep the Law? For salvation


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[YourTruthGod]

When did Jesus say keep the Law? For salvation


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Jesus came and gave the new law.

John 14:23 Jesus replied, "Anyone who loves me will obey my teaching. My Father will love them, and we will come to them and make our home with them.

 

[MennoSota]

Jesus says.

No he doesn't, which is why you are void of scripture.
Why do you believe in salvation by keeping the law?

 

[MennoSota]

Jesus came and gave the new law.

John 14:23 Jesus replied, "Anyone who loves me will obey my teaching. My Father will love them, and we will come to them and make our home with them.

That verse has nothing to do with the law.
Why do you believe in salvation by keeping the law?

 

[YourTruthGod]

That verse has nothing to do with the law.
Why do you believe in salvation by keeping the law?

What law? You don't even know. If you knew, then you wouldn't have said what you did earlier.

The scripture CLEARLY tells us to obey Jesus' commands to receive his Spirit.

 

[MoreCoffee]

What confuses you about Jesus words?

Not a whole lot. The words that the Lord spoke are usually fairly clear on their own. Words like these: If you keep my commandments, you will abide in my love, just as I have kept my Father’s commandments and abide in his love. And these words: This is my commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you. Greater love has no one than this, that someone lay down his life for his friends. You are my friends if you do what I command you.

 

[MennoSota]

What law? You don't even know. If you knew, then you wouldn't have said what you did earlier.

The scripture CLEARLY tells us to obey Jesus' commands to receive his Spirit.

That's not what John 14:23 says
John 14:23 Jesus replied, "Anyone who loves me will obey my teaching. My Father will love them, and we will come to them and make our home with them.
Who are those who love Jesus?
They are those whom Jesus has saved. Josiah rightly spoke when he stated that Jesus is 100% the Savior and we are zero percent.
Again I point you to the text you are desperately avoiding.
John 10:14-16,27-30 I am the good shepherd. I know my own and my own know me, just as the Father knows me and I know the Father; and I lay down my life for the sheep. And I have other sheep that are not of this fold. I must bring them also, and they will listen to my voice. So there will be one flock, one shepherd. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me,is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand. I and the Father are one.”
YTG, your assertion is proved false by Jesus own words.

 

[MennoSota]

Not a whole lot. The words that the Lord spoke are usually fairly clear on their own. Words like these: If you keep my commandments, you will abide in my love, just as I have kept my Father’s commandments and abide in his love. And these words: This is my commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you. Greater love has no one than this, that someone lay down his life for his friends. You are my friends if you do what I command you.

Those verses fit well with Jesus words in John 10.
John 10:27-29 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me,is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand.
Those whom the Father has given will keep Jesus commandments.
Where did Jesus tell the elect that they must keep the law like the Pharisees?

 

[MoreCoffee]

Those verses fit well with Jesus words in John 10.

Of course they do; that'd be because it is the same Jesus who said what's in John 10 and what I quoted, If you keep my commandments, you will abide in my love, just as I have kept my Father’s commandments and abide in his love. And these words: This is my commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you. Greater love has no one than this, that someone lay down his life for his friends. You are my friends if you do what I command you. are Jesus words and their lesson is obvious. The lesson is not that anyone is saved by faith alone.

 

[MennoSota]

Of course they do; that'd be because it is the same Jesus who said what's in John 10 and what I quoted, If you keep my commandments, you will abide in my love, just as I have kept my Father’s commandments and abide in his love. And these words: This is my commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you. Greater love has no one than this, that someone lay down his life for his friends. You are my friends if you do what I command you. are Jesus words and their lesson is obvious. The lesson is not that anyone is saved by faith alone.

Yes, they are saved by faith alone. Faith expresses itself in the good works that God prepared beforehand for the faithful to do. So...yes...we are saved by grace through faith, which is not of ourselves, but is a gift from God.
It's a pity you don't accept this biblical truth.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Yes, they are saved by faith alone.

We already know that you believe in "faith alone". That is not the issue here. What you believe is up to you. The issue here is what Jesus says and what he teaches and it is obvious that Jesus didn't say that anyone is saved by faith alone and that Jesus didn't teach such a doctrine. What the Lord Jesus Christ taught is that If you keep the Lord's commandments, you will abide in the Lord's love. Of course if you disregard his commandments and flaunt that disregard then you have no place in his love because you reject what he teaches and do not follow his example. As such any person who rejects Christ's teaching is not among his disciples and will not be saved.

 

[MennoSota]

We already know that you believe in "faith alone". That is not the issue here. What you believe is up to you. The issue here is what Jesus says and what he teaches and it is obvious that Jesus didn't say that anyone is saved by faith alone and that Jesus didn't teach such a doctrine. What the Lord Jesus Christ taught is that If you keep the Lord's commandments, you will abide in the Lord's love. Of course if you disregard his commandments and flaunt that disregard then you have no place in his love because you reject what he teaches and do not follow his example. As such any person who rejects Christ's teaching is not among his disciples and will not be saved.

You are truly confused. I have explained and shown scripture, including the scripture you are twisting in order to twist faith. If you reject the fullness of Jesus teaching, that is entirely on you.

 

[YourTruthGod]

That's not what John 14:23 says

It sure is.

John 14:23 Jesus replied, "Anyone who loves me will obey my teaching. My Father will love them, and we will come to them and make our home with them.
Who are those who love Jesus?
They are those whom Jesus has saved.

Jesus said if they obey then the Father and he would live with them.

Josiah rightly spoke when he stated that Jesus is 100% the Savior and we are zero percent.

I could help you with all those scriptures the Calvinist teachers taught you wrong.

Again I point you to the text you are desperately avoiding.

You bearing false witness that I avoid any scripture is from your imagination, just as the Calvinists teachings are from the imagination.

John 10:14-16,27-30 I am the good shepherd. I know my own and my own know me, just as the Father knows me and I know the Father; and I lay down my life for the sheep. And I have other sheep that are not of this fold. I must bring them also, and they will listen to my voice. So there will be one flock, one shepherd. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me,is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand. I and the Father are one.”
YTG, your assertion is proved false by Jesus own words.

Jesus tells us how to become sheep and be saved.

Anyone can become a lamb. All can become sheep. You need to read how the Israelites are called heifers and God said they were NOT sheep. You should read how after they repent they will be forgiven and be like sheep.

In Hosea, the Israelites are like heifers. They are told to repent, and then they would be as lambs.

Hosea 4:16 The Israelites are stubborn, like a stubborn heifer. How then can the LORD pasture them like lambs in a meadow?

Hosea 14:2 Take words with you and return to the LORD. Say to him: "Forgive all our sins and receive us graciously, that we may offer the fruit of our lips.

Did you read that scripture? They come to God and ask for forgiveness, and they are forgiven. Now they are like lambs in a meadow.

We are even told unless we become like little children, we cannot enter the kingdom of heaven.

Hosea 4:16 The Israelites are stubborn, like a stubborn heifer. How then can the LORD pasture them like lambs in a meadow?

Maybe some disciplining can take care of that.

Anyone can become as a lamb.

All it takes is humbleness, and obedience.

Jeremiah 31:18
"I have surely heard Ephraim's moaning: 'You disciplined me like an unruly calf, and I have been disciplined. Restore me, and I will return, because you are the LORD my God.


Even dogs can become sheep.

Jesus came first for the lost sheep of Israel. The Samaritans in the village were not the lost sheep.
Jesus told his disciples not to go to the Samaritans or the Gentiles.

Matthew 15:26 He replied, "It is not right to take the children's bread and toss it to the dogs."

 

[MoreCoffee]

You are truly confused.

I admit that your posts are confusing. That's because they say weird things.

If you want to find where the holy scriptures say "faith alone" why not use your bible concordance or some bible software to find it? It will not be in any letter of saint Paul.

 

[MennoSota]

It sure is.



Jesus said if they obey then the Father and he would live with them.


I could help you with all those scriptures the Calvinist teachers taught you wrong.

You bearing false witness that I avoid any scripture is from your imagination, just as the Calvinists teachings are from the imagination.

Jesus tells us how to become sheep and be saved.

Anyone can become a lamb. All can become sheep. You need to read how the Israelites are called heifers and God said they were NOT sheep. You should read how after they repent they will be forgiven and be like sheep.

In Hosea, the Israelites are like heifers. They are told to repent, and then they would be as lambs.

Hosea 4:16 The Israelites are stubborn, like a stubborn heifer. How then can the LORD pasture them like lambs in a meadow?

Hosea 14:2 Take words with you and return to the LORD. Say to him: "Forgive all our sins and receive us graciously, that we may offer the fruit of our lips.

Did you read that scripture? They come to God and ask for forgiveness, and they are forgiven. Now they are like lambs in a meadow.

We are even told unless we become like little children, we cannot enter the kingdom of heaven.

Hosea 4:16 The Israelites are stubborn, like a stubborn heifer. How then can the LORD pasture them like lambs in a meadow?

Maybe some disciplining can take care of that.

Anyone can become as a lamb.

All it takes is humbleness, and obedience.

Jeremiah 31:18
"I have surely heard Ephraim's moaning: 'You disciplined me like an unruly calf, and I have been disciplined. Restore me, and I will return, because you are the LORD my God.


Even dogs can become sheep.

Jesus came first for the lost sheep of Israel. The Samaritans in the village were not the lost sheep.
Jesus told his disciples not to go to the Samaritans or the Gentiles.

Matthew 15:26 He replied, "It is not right to take the children's bread and toss it to the dogs."

YTG, you prove me correct with each statement you make, showing us all how you are incapable of discerning scripture.
You desire to be saved by works. You have no fellowship with the God who saves by grace through faith. Your use of scripture is reminiscent of a spirit who tempted Jesus. Be gone.

 

[MennoSota]

I admit that your posts are confusing. That's because they say weird things.

If you want to find where the holy scriptures say "faith alone" why not use your bible concordance or some bible software to find it? It will not be in any letter of saint Paul.

MC, if you want to show where faith is not active, be my guest.
Faith is a gift from God. Faith is the cause agent. Good works are the effect.
When you turn on a flashlightlight, the cause agent is the battery sending electricity through the circuit. The effect is light being shown.
As you point out, "Faith without works is dead." If the flashlight does not shine light, it is because the batteries are dead. Faith is the cause. Without faith, there are no good works. All you have is self-righteous works generated by self in order to promote self pride.
It is odd that you, a self-proclaimed Christian cannot discern this biblical truth. You act as though good works causes faith. How foolish you are to believe such a man-centered view.

 

[MoreCoffee]

MC, if you want to show where faith is not active, be my guest.
Faith is a gift from God. Faith is the cause agent. Good works are the effect.
When you turn on a flashlightlight, the cause agent is the battery sending electricity through the circuit. The effect is light being shown.
As you point out, "Faith without works is dead." If the flashlight does not shine light, it is because the batteries are dead. Faith is the cause. Without faith, there are no good works. All you have is self-righteous works generated by self in order to promote self pride.
It is odd that you, a self-proclaimed Christian cannot discern this biblical truth. You act as though good works causes faith. How foolish you are to believe such a man-centered view.

Your post once again confuses matters rather than adds light of any kind - torchlight or day light or any light would be preferable to the things you've mixed up so poorly.

The one place you'll find the two words "faith alone" next to each other and in that order is in saint James' letter. The place where he writes: You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone. which is the very thing I have written to you repeatedly and which you deny.

 

[MennoSota]

Your post once again confuses matters rather than adds light of any kind - torchlight or day light or any light would be preferable to the things you've mixed up so poorly.

The one place you'll find the two words "faith alone" next to each other and in that order is in saint James' letter. The place where he writes: You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone. which is the very thing I have written to you repeatedly and which you deny.

MC, the confusion is with you. I have explained clearly and carefully. I leave you to your confusion.

 

[YourTruthGod]

YTG, you prove me correct with each statement you make, showing us all how you are incapable of discerning scripture.
You desire to be saved by works. You have no fellowship with the God who saves by grace through faith. Your use of scripture is reminiscent of a spirit who tempted Jesus. Be gone.

You resort to insulting because you don't have truth. What do you have to defend your false beliefs if you don't have truth.