Reconciling Predestination and Freewill

[Jason_76]

In.my view, Christian Universalism does that. In other words, God is searching and will ultimately get all people, but at the same time human freewill prolongs the quest.

 

[Josiah]

In.my view, Christian Universalism does that. In other words, God is searching and will ultimately get all people, but at the same time human freewill prolongs the quest.

The problem with universalism is that it is both unbiblical and condemned by Christianity.

And no, it does not "solve" to problem of freewill since all are saved regardless of their will; universalism is simply a very radical form of predestination - simply applied to everyone, usually regardless of faith.



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[Jason_76]

The problem with universalism is that it is both unbiblical and condemned by Christianity.

And no, it does not "solve" to problem of freewill since all are saved regardless of their will; universalism is simply a very radical form of predestination - simply applied to everyone, usually regardless of faith.



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That's why it's correct. You can also say traditional Christianity is not Christianity just as easily.

 

[Albion]

That's why it's correct. You can also say traditional Christianity is not Christianity just as easily.

Not exactly. Although the reply didn't spell out its case with a flood of Bible verses, the poster COULD have done so.

Meanwhile, there is almost nothing that establishes Universal salvation in the Bible's pages. But of course we'd be happy to read what you present to us as scriptural evidence if you chose to do that.

 

[Odë:hgöd]

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Note the difference in the wording of these two passages.

"For God was pleased through him to reconcile to Himself all things, whether things
on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the
cross." (Col 1:19-20)

"Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above
every name; that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow: of things in heaven,
and things in earth, and things under the earth" (Phil 2:9-10)

The Colossians passage speaks of reconciliation, whereas the Philippians passage
speaks of sovereignty. The Philippians passage includes things "under the earth"
whereas the Colossians passage omits them. In other words; things under the earth,
though effected by Christ's sovereignty, are unaffected by his blood, i.e. they won't
be reconciled to God.

Down at the end, when all is completed and set in concrete; the Bible says:

● Rev 22:11 . . Let him who does wrong continue to do wrong; let him who is vile
continue to be vile; let him who does right continue to do right; and let him who is
holy continue to be holy.

Viz: it appears to me that there is no 100% plan of salvation, i.e. somebody out there
isn't going to make the cut.

NOTE: According to Dan 12:2 and John 5:28-29 there's only one resurrection allotted
per person; therefore I think it reasonably safe to assume nobody is coming back from
the second death depicted at Rev 20:11-15.
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[Lees]

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Note the difference in the wording of these two passages.

"For God was pleased through him to reconcile to Himself all things, whether things
on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the
cross." (Col 1:19-20)

"Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above
every name; that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow: of things in heaven,
and things in earth, and things under the earth" (Phil 2:9-10)

The Colossians passage speaks of reconciliation, whereas the Philippians passage
speaks of sovereignty. The Philippians passage includes things "under the earth"
whereas the Colossians passage omits them. In other words; things under the earth,
though effected by Christ's sovereignty, are unaffected by his blood, i.e. they won't
be reconciled to God.

Down at the end, when all is completed and set in concrete; the Bible says:

● Rev 22:11 . . Let him who does wrong continue to do wrong; let him who is vile
continue to be vile; let him who does right continue to do right; and let him who is
holy continue to be holy.

Viz: it appears to me that there is no 100% plan of salvation, i.e. somebody out there
isn't going to make the cut.

NOTE: According to Dan 12:2 and John 5:28-29 there's only one resurrection allotted
per person; therefore I think it reasonably safe to assume nobody is coming back from
the second death depicted at Rev 20:11-15.
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There is a 100% plan of salvation. God's plan of salvation will be fulfilled, 100%.

As I have said, there is no 'cut' for mankind. Because no one makes the 'cut'. Jesus Christ alone is worthy and those who believe are declared Righteous.

Lees

 

[tango]

In.my view, Christian Universalism does that. In other words, God is searching and will ultimately get all people, but at the same time human freewill prolongs the quest.

Why not throw reincarnation into the mix while you're there? You know, for the ones who resist until they die to get another shot at salvation.

 

[Albion]

In.my view, Christian Universalism does that. In other words, God is searching and will ultimately get all people, but at the same time human freewill prolongs the quest.

Sounds logical enough, but I'm still waiting to read the argument based upon Holy Scripture.

What would that be?