Praying to the deceased - correlation with those who believe in ghosts?

[psalms 91]

nope but i also think Jesus is enough and who to pray to

 

[Alithis]

No one prays to the saints. We pray WITH them. Asking them only to think of us as they too pray.

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sadly this excuse gets a little embarrassing...........

you pray with them asking them ....

the word pray means " to ask earnestly " -- hence .. your praying to them . you're defying The word of god .

rewording the definition of a sin doesn't change the word of god . he is not going to judge us based on our watered down redefinition of his word .. but his word as it it judges us already . the very fact that you uphold these excuses displays it is an act of idolatry against God .

you need to repent .

do you not say that god is omnipresent and all knowing of all things at all times ,,, -yes you do say that .- and then you act like he can't or wont hear you ..

 

[kiwimac]

Heiferdust. We together with those who have passed make up a part of the kingdom of God. When you ask your friends to pray for you are you praying to them?

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[psalms 91]

Heiferdust. We together with those who have passed make up a part of the kingdom of God. When you ask your friends to pray for you are you praying to them?

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We are told to ask those who are alive to pray with us and for us but not the dead

 

[kiwimac]

The dead are alive in Christ or do you deny the communion of saints?

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[psalms 91]

I deny anything thta exalts itself above God and praying to dead saints does exactly that

 

[kiwimac]

Aha yeah right

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[Josiah]

The dead are alive in Christ

I asked that earlier but was ignored. I've just not seen anything that indicates that Christians in heaven are dead..... doesn't the Bible say something about our being "alive" in Christ? Doesn't the Bible say something about though we die we will live? Now, that does NOT mean that ERGO it is good or useful to seek their prayers (and THAT is the issue here), only the argument that in Christ, we are dead. I'm not sure about that.... and no one has bothered to show that their agrument is true (just repeated).



Pax CHRISTI



- Josiah

 

[MoreCoffee]

2Maccabees 12:41-44 So they all blessed the ways of the Lord, the righteous Judge, who reveals the things that are hidden; 42 and they turned to prayer, beseeching that the sin which had been committed might be wholly blotted out. And the noble Judas exhorted the people to keep themselves free from sin, for they had seen with their own eyes what had happened because of the sin of those who had fallen. 43 He also took up a collection, man by man, to the amount of two thousand drachmas of silver, and sent it to Jerusalem to provide for a sin offering. In doing this he acted very well and honourably, taking account of the resurrection. 44 For if he were not expecting that those who had fallen would rise again, it would have been superfluous and foolish to pray for the dead.

 

[Josiah]

2Maccabees 12:41-44 ....it would have been superfluous and foolish to pray for the dead.

Point received.

 

[Alithis]

The dead are alive in Christ or do you deny the communion of saints?

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those who are born again are alive in christ.
but not here with us.they are departed..absent from us their body lays in dust.
to speak with them you must do so via spiritual means.. which is to trespass against God.
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but what do you care about truth.

 

[kiwimac]

Obviously more than you friend. Asking your fellow believers to pray for you is not spiritism.

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[MoreCoffee]

Obviously more than you friend. Asking your fellow believers to pray for you is not spiritism.

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Folk need to decide where they look for a truthful reading of the holy scriptures. It is "me" as so many today say, centring everything on their own personal reading and perceptions as rugged independent individuals. It is The reformers as many in the magisterial denominations say. These look to the teaching and tradition established in the 16th and 17th centuries (some look to the Methodist revival of the 18th century) and take their cue from the leaders and official doctrinal standards of those times. Some say "the bible" and they may think that is their habit but the truth is the very definition of "bible" for them is received from tradition decided by the reformers, especially the Calvin reformation with its strict 66 book bible and its affirmations about authority.

Catholics take a different stand. For Catholics authority rests with the holy scriptures and apostolic tradition and the teaching authority of the living Church of God.

 

[Alithis]

Obviously more than you friend. Asking your fellow believers to pray for you is not spiritism.

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asking your fellow believers who are present here with you and have not departed into the spiritual realm is not transgressing against God .
nice try at sidetracking and misdirection .but nope sorry .it's god you will have to convince as to why your violate what he has said is wrong to do -not me .

 

[Alithis]

Folk need to decide where they look for a truthful reading of the holy scriptures. It is "me" as so many today say, centring everything on their own personal reading and perceptions as rigged independent individuals. It is The reformers as many in the magisterial denominations say. These look to the teaching and tradition established in the 16th and 17th centuries (some look to the Methodist revival of the 18th century) and take their cue from the leaders and official doctrinal standards of those times. Some say "the bible" and they may think that is their habit but the truth is the very definition of "bible" for them is received from tradition decided by the reformers, especially the Calvin reformation with its strict 66 book bible and its affirmations about authority.

Catholics take a different stand. For Catholics authority rests with the holy scriptures and apostolic tradition and the teaching authority of the living Church of God.

yes i know .. where as our authority is in Christ and he in us . his word and the witness of his holy Spirit - all god .. no man .

 

[kiwimac]

Those who have died are also present with the Lord. It is you who are ignoring the testimony of Scripture.

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[psalms 91]

yes i know .. where as our authority is in Christ and he in us . his word and the witness of his holy Spirit - all god .. no man .

Yes, it is to Him we pray not to any man

 

[MoreCoffee]

Folk need to decide where they look for a truthful reading of the holy scriptures. It is "me" as so many today say, centring everything on their own personal reading and perceptions as rugged independent individuals. It is The reformers as many in the magisterial denominations say. These look to the teaching and tradition established in the 16th and 17th centuries (some look to the Methodist revival of the 18th century) and take their cue from the leaders and official doctrinal standards of those times. Some say "the bible" and they may think that is their habit but the truth is the very definition of "bible" for them is received from tradition decided by the reformers, especially the Calvin reformation with its strict 66 book bible and its affirmations about authority.

Catholics take a different stand. For Catholics authority rests with the holy scriptures and apostolic tradition and the teaching authority of the living Church of God.

yes i know .. where as our authority is in Christ and he in us . his word and the witness of his holy Spirit - all god .. no man .

You may think that is so but in reality it is all you. No Spirit leading. No God guiding. All you choosing what you will accept and what you will reject. Doing it seemingly alone but in reality doing it in a religion given to you by others but bent and formed and turned according to your desires.

 

[psalms 91]

You may think that is so but in reality it is all you. No Spirit leading. No God guiding. All you choosing what you will accept and what you will reject. Doing it seemingly alone but in reality doing it in a religion given to you by others but bent and formed and turned according to your desires.

To be honest it is you that I see posting all these positions of the church and none of your own

 

[MoreCoffee]

To be honest it is you that I see posting all these positions of the church and none of your own

Exactly, I do not seek to invent a religion of my own.