Please Help Me. I Am Fighting For The Soul Of My Grand-Niece.

Margaret000034

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Please help me, I don't know where else to go and I am getting so frustrated and anxious.

Before we get started, a little bit of context: I am living with these unbelieving family members of mine and I have come to the conclusion that this is God's way of saying that I need to convert them while I work on getting a job and moving to a new place as my house was repossessed a couple months ago. However, the conversion has come to a very sour turn and is not working and I fear that Satan has a hand in all this.

I was converted 25 years ago and I can now say that I am right with God and that Jesus is the center of my life and purpose. I am very upset that the same cannot be said for my nieces daughter {who by the way is not Christian either, but she is not the priority right now}.

Ophelia {my grand-niece} is a blatant unbeliever. She is 19 and she believes and does many things that do not honor or glorify God in any way. Here is a list:

1. She does not dress like a lady. She wears shorts and pants and refuses to wear makeup and make herself look presentable. Her hair is always up in a loose ponytail and will not allow it to be normal and feminine as God intended. She also wears Button Shirts that were intended for men, along with several t-shirts and slacks. She also wears many necklaces and bracelets, some, I suspect, have Satanic symbolism within them.
2. She made up a brand new term for her unbelief: 'Agnostic Deist', she's Agnostic, she's not Atheist, and I still do not understand nor care for this belief. She tells me that she 'thinks' that there is 'creator of the universe' {her words, not mine}, and that she thinks of this 'creator' as an 'it' rather than He. She is also apparently 'open to the idea' of their being a God or Gods, or nothing at all, or something entirely different and that 'none of us can be sure until we die'. It's all heresy! Spiritual nonsense!
3. She believes in ghosts {daemons}. And along with this, she also believes that 'aliens' {aka daemons} exist on other planets that we are 'not alone'. She then goes to explain all that Big Bang B.S. and how it 'allowed millions of other planets to develop and possibly make way for life'.
4. She is a hard-core Naturalist and Evolutionist. She believes that we came from Monkeys {or APES as she constantly corrcts me, as if it makes any difference} and that nature was supposed to be cruel, brutal, and uncaring the way it is now, and she has the gaull to 'correct' me and say 'nature is not good or bad. It just is, just the way it should be so that it can allow it's creatures of all kinds to survive'. More Evolutionist Propaganda. She practically worships animals and believes that they have 'minds and lives of their own' {again, her words, not mine} and that they are all to be 'respected' and 'considered for'. She has two nasty little parrots that squawk and talk all darn day, and she teaches them how to 'communicate' and she teaches them words and sentences. One bit me two weeks ago, and she blames ME for getting 'too close' to the thing. And although this may not have to with her salvation necessarily, I just need to say that living with her and these things has become very uncomfortable for me.
5. She is convinced that her so-called 'purpose' in life is to save animals from 'torture' and extinction, as well as preserve the environment, and help all the people so that they can live 'side-by-side' sustainably with nature. First off, everyone's purpose is to worship Jesus and Jesus alone, and no, humans cannot live with nature, but we can control it and have dominion over it as we please, as God Himself once commanded in Genesis, for it is not equal nor worth protecting because the end is coming soon anyway.
6. She meditates. She claims that it is not for spiritual reasons and that by doing it 5 to 10 minutes once a day helps her 'relieve stress, focus on what's around her, and just 'exist''. She is a liar. I once caught her out in the backyard doing it and demanded that she stop as I could feel her opening up another dimension and letting daemons out that were directed towards me and she refused to stop. She also does Yoga, which is Hindu God worship, though she claims it is just for 'excercise'.
7. She has so many plants and herbs. They are everywhere. Many of them she ingests because she puts them in her food, but herbals are witchcraft so it does not matter what the purpose, they are evil and are very important in the practice of Paganism. It should also be noted that I have caught her 'talking' to her plants, claiming that the 'positive vibrations' help them grow.
8. She is a vegetarian. She refuses to eat animal flesh and only eats eggs and drinks milk. That's all. She blatantly rejects the fact that God gave us these animals to eat. Whenever I confront her on this, she explains that she does not think that it is 'wrong' that I or others eat meat {because why would it be?} because that is every human being's 'personal choice' {no, it is a command}, and that she simply does not eat meat because it goes against her 'own personal moral compass' {she means Satan's moral compass} and she would feel like a 'hypocrite' while calling herself an 'animal lover'. She also mentions that she abstains because of 'environmental reasons' {again with the nature worship!}. She is also in the Climate-Cult and thinks that she may one day find a 'solution' to global warming that 'suits' all of us and makes things 'easier'.
9. She has tons, and I mean TONS, of Godless, meaningless, Satanic reading material. Four whole shelves full. I have used this to my advantage in the past and have snuck Bibles, tracts, notes, pamphlets and flyers in between the books, but she always discards them and pays no mind. All of her reading material emphasizes the lies of Evolutionary causes, as well as animal 'psychology', and oceans, and plants and even rocks. All of it is just Science this, science that, animals here, animals there, animals deserve rights, animals are intelligent, blah, blah, blah. It's just so Godless.
10. She is adamant about not ever getting married, having children, or having a spouse to satisfy. This is something that I have trouble with because she was born with the inability to reproduce. She has no menstrual cycle, she will never have children {only according to her doctor}, and she will never be able to have 'comfortable' sex due to something called 'M-R-K-H', look it up. However, this is not an excuse to refuse to be submissive and perform God's greatest role for women: Homemaker. She can marry and adopt, but refuses.
11. She has three jobs and is soon going to college. Her so-called 'research' and career is based around monkeys and how 'similar' they are to us, which pushes the Evolutionary agenda further into our society. She is also a militant environmentalist that puts nature before Father God Himself {if that was not clear before}.
12. Almost everyday she goes out into the heavily wooded areas near our home and she collects many things that I am sure have to with her unadmitted paganism {I tell her that she is Pagan, but she denies it every time}. She collects rocks, sticks, as well as soil and sand 'samples' in viles that she likes to compare for some reason. Most disturbing of all, she collects animal bones and skulls and sanitizes them before putting them in this awful little collection with labels and all that. She also has fossils. Her room has begun to look like Pagan Paradise!
13. We had an argument recently, and when I confronted her about the existence of Jesus, she explained that he was indeed a real person, but not the son of God. Even more infuriating, she claims that his existence was no different to her than Ghandi or Buddha and that although many of his teachings were 'wise, wonderful, and valuable' she will never worship him, because he was 'just a man' to her. This made me especially angry and it honestly took every fiber in my being to not backhand her. But this is who I'm dealing with.

Talk after talk, after talk, after talk! She refuses to convert and heed the word of God. She is so set in her beliefs and is on a natural path to Hell.

How do I get through to her? What is your advice? Evangelization methods? Please help me! I don't want my niece to go to Hell! I'll do anything, please!

Thank you for reading, as well as your time.
 
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It's really hard to know if you're serious here or not.

You seem to be blending a whole load of random ideas of what you think she should be doing and acting as if it's God's will that she follow exactly what you think without stopping to question anything. You're listing "hair in a ponytail" and growing herbs as if they were on the same level as practising the occult.

Some women have short hair. Horrifying I know, my wife is one of them, she prefers it that way. Some women wear pants. Most of the women I know wear pants most of the time. So what?

Growing herbs is basic gardening. God gave us the herbs, right? You can use herbal remedies without opening up doorways for wicked things. Sometimes I drink camomile tea. What's the difference, except that she's growing the plant herself? Sometimes I take the mint that grows like a weed in the back yard and make a drink out of it. So what?

If she's an agnostic, what of it? That's where she is right now. You not caring for her belief does precisely nothing to change her belief. She probably doesn't care that you don't care for her beliefs. She probably doesn't care for your beliefs either. If all you're going to do is wag your finger at her and tell her she is Wrong, Wrong, Wrong, don't be surprised if she doesn't listen. You're wasting your breath even doing it. But, you know, you do you, just don't be surprised when it doesn't achieve anything.

To summarise your post it seems you're upset that an independent young woman isn't living exactly as you think she should live, and surprised that wagging your finger at her and telling her to fall into line doesn't achieve anything.
 

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What you do is lead by example and pray for her. Young people this age do tend to experiment also. So, you live your life and keep her in your prayers. If she asks about your beliefs, answer her.

I am not sure what is wrong with #1 above. You can not force anyone to convert either. The more you demand that she does, the less likely she will. I will pray for you that you be less judgmental and more loving towards her also.
 

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This person clearly thinks they are the savior who saves or at the very least shares an equal share with Jesus. I wouldn't be surprised if their Christian faith is based on works rather then on faith alone in Jesus alone or some sort of combination of professing belief in Jesus and works.

A common error made is how salvation works. People think the outside is cleaned first then the inside but it is the other way around. When a person is genuinely saved, you probably couldn't tell as the outside looks as dirty as it ever does but as time progresses, the outside gets cleaned up because of what is done inside of a person. I would also like to point out that God does the saving not you or any of us. We share the gospel as commanded and he does the work of saving who he wishes to save.

Another thing you should all be wondering is where the gospel is located in all of that text in the OP. I can't find it, can you? Oh and look for the part where she professes to pray for her family or anyone for that matter. I can't find it, can any of you find it?
 

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Margaret, I agree with the advice for you to lay off your heavy-handed evangelizing, since it appears to be mainly confrontational. As others here observed, some of what has alarmed you MAY be considered hostile towards the true God, yes, but not all of what has offended you.

I would not recommend giving up on your hopes of converting her, but I'd suggest tolerating whatever you can from her lifestyle, whatever is not thoroughly and definitely heathen. Environmentalism, yoga exercises, ponytails, mannish (but not sexual) clothing, are examples.

Then, concentrate on living your own life in a way that demonstrates to her your own commitment to the principles that Jesus taught. She will notice. If some theological ideas come up during conversation, address them, but do it from the point-of-view of you sharing your faith rather than denouncing her mistakes.

Sometimes, converting a loved-one takes more patience than we'd hoped.

My best wishes to you.
 
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On re-reading your post I'm particularly struck (pun fully intended) by your point #13.

13. We had an argument recently, and when I confronted her about the existence of Jesus, she explained that he was indeed a real person, but not the son of God. Even more infuriating, she claims that his existence was no different to her than Ghandi or Buddha and that although many of his teachings were 'wise, wonderful, and valuable' she will never worship him, because he was 'just a man' to her. This made me especially angry and it honestly took every fiber in my being to not backhand her. But this is who I'm dealing with.
(emphasis mine)

If you can find the passage in the Bible where it tells us to literally hit people who disagree with us I'd love to see it. Preaching the gospel by hitting people until they fall into line is probably about the least effective way you could possibly go about it.

The simple reality is that this person does not accept Jesus Christ as her savior. And she's allowed to make that decision for herself. If your response is to literally hit her for having a different opinion I'd suggest you take a long look at yourself before you even think of speaking to her about the Christ who loves her.
 

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I have seen this post on a number of forums now and it seems that you are not taking anyones advice @Margaret000034. Just praise God that they are willing to take you in at this very difficult time in your life and treat them like family rather than like potential converts. You want them to be happy to see you next time and like I had said to you before - we cannot convert anyone, God does that....When you become an example of his love...they will want what you have..Jm@c
 
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