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[Messy]

You should care, because God put this matter in His Word for the benefit of His servants. It points back to what happened in the old world when Satan coveted His throne, and God destroyed that 1st world earth age. Apostles Peter and Paul both understood it, because this is what the 2 Peter 3 and Romans 8:18-25 Scripture is about. And God through His prophets Jeremiah, Isaiah, and Ezekiel also revealed info about it. And thus Revelation 9 thru 17 reveals Satan is going to be allowed to play Christ once again to deceive those of this world who received not the love of the Truth.

Do you believe there was a world wide flood with Noah? 2 Peter 3 is about the flood of Noah. They all say the flood of Noah is impossible. With any evolution model they come up with they wilfully ignore Noah's flood and say it happened different. Layers were formed in billions of years instead of 1 year. Noone wilfully ignores the flood of satan. Most haven't even heard of it. GAP theory came somewhere in the 1800s.

From 1814,[4] Thomas Chalmers popularized gap creationism;[5] he attributed the concept to the 17th-century Dutch Arminian theologian Simon Episcopius. Chalmers wrote:

"My own opinion, as published in 1814, is that it [Genesis 1:1] forms no part of the first day, but refers to a period of indefinite antiquity when God created the worlds out of nothing. The commencement of the first day's work I hold to be the moving of God's Spirit upon the face of the waters. We can allow geology the amplest time...without infringing even on the literalities of the Mosaic record."[6]

So GAP theory just came because of Geology and they couldn't believe that it happened so fast.

 

[SetFree]

Do you believe there was a world wide flood with Noah? 2 Peter 3 is about the flood of Noah. They all say the flood of Noah is impossible. With any evolution model they come up with they wilfully ignore Noah's flood and say it happened different. Layers were formed in billions of years instead of 1 year. Noone wilfully ignores the flood of satan. Most haven't even heard of it. GAP theory came somewhere in the 1800s.

You have several run-on thoughts there. What Peter was talking about has nothing to do with man's theory of evolution. And by your 'attempt' to bring the idea of 'evolution' into this, that actually is a far out suggestion that has nothing to do with what I'm talking about. So you need to try and again, and stay in God's Word if you want to learn what I'm talking about.

From 1814,[4] Thomas Chalmers popularized gap creationism;[5] he attributed the concept to the 17th-century Dutch Arminian theologian Simon Episcopius. Chalmers wrote:


So GAP theory just came because of Geology and they couldn't believe that it happened so fast.

That of course is false, and probably an idea planted by scientists that support... evolution theory.

It's the science types that support the false interpretation that Genesis 1:2 Hebrew tohu va bohu means the earth wasn't there yet and was at some nothingness gaseous state.

Those who follow their false interpretation of Genesis 1:2 are those Peter was talking about that are "willingly ignorant" of that old world which God destroyed because of Satan's rebellion in coveting God's throne!

So it's actually funny about those ignorant types (like yourself) who refuse to understand this because they leave no room at all for the time when Satan was PERFECT IN HIS WAYS (per Ezekiel 28). By the time Satan was in God's Garden tempting Eve, he had already rebelled and was working against God. So that means at some period PRIOR to Adam and Eve was when Satan followed God and was perfect. Per your view there's no room for that, because the creation was just prior to Adam and Eve.

What Peter was pointing to was not the flood of Noah's day, and here is why...

2 Peter 3:5-6
5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
KJV

"by the word of God the heavens were of old" = God's original perfect creation at Genesis 1:1. That is when God spoke, and the original creation of the earth came to pass.

"and the earth standing out of the water and in the water" = the very state of the earth at Genesis 1:2 with flood waters covering the whole earth, in which in the Genesis 1:6-10 verses, the earth is literally standing in the water, and out of the water, by God moving those waters already upon the earth to form today's sky ("firmament") and cause the dry land to appear (re-appear). There is NO statement past Genesis 1:1 of creating the actual earth. This state at Genesis 1:2 was the result of His destruction of that old world, which the parallel to this is given in Jeremiah 4:23-28.


Now then, TRY again... to get around what Apostle Paul said about this in Romans 8:18-25 where he said God placed the CREATION in vanity, in bondage to corruption, by FALSELY INSERTING the fall of Adam and Eve like you tried to do so as to DISREGARD what Paul said there about the CREATION.


According to Peter, there are 3 earth world ages:
1. "the world that then was" = time when Satan was perfect in his ways, then rebelled.

2. "the heavens and the earth, which are now" = this 2nd earth world age that God re-established starting at Genesis 1:3 after He destroyed the first world when Satan rebelled.

3. "new heavens and a new earth" = the future world to come after Christ's future "thousand years" reign.

 

[Messy]

You have several run-on thoughts there. What Peter was talking about has nothing to do with man's theory of evolution. And by your 'attempt' to bring the idea of 'evolution' into this, that actually is a far out suggestion that has nothing to do with what I'm talking about. So you need to try and again, and stay in God's Word if you want to learn what I'm talking about.



That of course is false, and probably an idea planted by scientists that support... evolution theory.

It's the science types that support the false interpretation that Genesis 1:2 Hebrew tohu va bohu means the earth wasn't there yet and was at some nothingness gaseous state.

Those who follow their false interpretation of Genesis 1:2 are those Peter was talking about that are "willingly ignorant" of that old world which God destroyed because of Satan's rebellion in coveting God's throne!

So it's actually funny about those ignorant types (like yourself) who refuse to understand this because they leave no room at all for the time when Satan was PERFECT IN HIS WAYS (per Ezekiel 28). By the time Satan was in God's Garden tempting Eve, he had already rebelled and was working against God. So that means at some period PRIOR to Adam and Eve was when Satan followed God and was perfect. Per your view there's no room for that, because the creation was just prior to Adam and Eve.

What Peter was pointing to was not the flood of Noah's day, and here is why...

2 Peter 3:5-6
5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
KJV

"by the word of God the heavens were of old" = God's original perfect creation at Genesis 1:1. That is when God spoke, and the original creation of the earth came to pass.

"and the earth standing out of the water and in the water" = the very state of the earth at Genesis 1:2 with flood waters covering the whole earth, in which in the Genesis 1:6-10 verses, the earth is literally standing in the water, and out of the water, by God moving those waters already upon the earth to form today's sky ("firmament") and cause the dry land to appear (re-appear). There is NO statement past Genesis 1:1 of creating the actual earth. This state at Genesis 1:2 was the result of His destruction of that old world, which the parallel to this is given in Jeremiah 4:23-28.


Now then, TRY again... to get around what Apostle Paul said about this in Romans 8:18-25 where he said God placed the CREATION in vanity, in bondage to corruption, by FALSELY INSERTING the fall of Adam and Eve like you tried to do so as to DISREGARD what Paul said there about the CREATION.


According to Peter, there are 3 earth world ages:
1. "the world that then was" = time when Satan was perfect in his ways, then rebelled.

2. "the heavens and the earth, which are now" = this 2nd earth world age that God re-established starting at Genesis 1:3 after He destroyed the first world when Satan rebelled.

3. "new heavens and a new earth" = the future world to come after Christ's future "thousand years" reign.

Before they sinned there was no death. Creation wasn't placed in bondage to corruption. He saw that it was good. Even if there was a world before this one, which might be true, cause it's weird that God would create the earth while it was dark, so that satan fell makes sense. Just not dinosaurs and animals that are found in layers. Those are from the flood of Noah. Suppose there was a world in which satan rebelled and this is a recreation and they all died and God started over with Adam and Eve. Only after they sinned was the earth cursed, an animal was killed to clothe them and animals started to eat each other and death came when Adam sinned. Animals die because of his sinning and the whole creation waits until the sons of God stand up in the end time and for the church to become like Jesus and He will deliver creation.

 

[SetFree]

Before they sinned there was no death.

That is where you are wrong, because Hebrews 2:14 reveals that Satan was given the "power of death". When do you think that was? It was when Satan first rebelled in coveting God's Throne, when he was perfect in his ways, and then iniquity was found in him. So instead of you trying to focus on Adam and Eve which was AFTER... Satan had already rebelled, why not focus on when Satan was perfect in his ways following God?

Ezek 28:13-15
13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.

14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.

15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
KJV

So you actually think that was 'during' the time of Adam and Eve?

No sense in continuing conversation with you, since you show your determination to stay deceived about that old world when Satan was originally perfect in his ways following God, i.e., what Peter called those who are "willingly ignorant". Have fun with your doctrines of men.

 

[Messy]

That is where you are wrong, because Hebrews 2:14 reveals that Satan was given the "power of death". When do you think that was? It was when Satan first rebelled in coveting God's Throne, when he was perfect in his ways, and then iniquity was found in him. So instead of you trying to focus on Adam and Eve which was AFTER... Satan had already rebelled, why not focus on when Satan was perfect in his ways following God?

Ezek 28:13-15
13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.

14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.

15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
KJV

So you actually think that was 'during' the time of Adam and Eve?

No sense in continuing conversation with you, since you show your determination to stay deceived about that old world when Satan was originally perfect in his ways following God, i.e., what Peter called those who are "willingly ignorant". Have fun with your doctrines of men.

I will respond because you're such a friendly breath of fresh air. Do you want to play ping pong some day?
Satan was given the power of death when he rebelled? No way. A fire went out of him, but he only got the keys when Adam gave him the power. Death came through one man.

Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned— 13 (For until the law sin was in the world, but sin is not imputed when there is no law. 14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those who had not sinned according to the likeness of the transgression of Adam, who is a type of Him who was to come. 15 But the free gift is not like the [a]offense. For if by the one man’s offense many died, much more the grace of God and the gift by the grace of the one Man, Jesus Christ, abounded to many.