Noah' Flood Mysteries - Biblical, Scientific and Historical Views & Theories.

[Seve]

Dear Readers,

God made us a Multiverse for humankind to live in.

Hbr 11:3 Through faith we understand that the WorldS (multiverse) were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

The first Heaven or the World of Adam - Garden of Eden - was in the midst of water below and above it and later destroyed in a Flood.
The second Heaven is our present world - surrounded by Star Dust - which is scheduled to be burned.
The third Heaven or world is the object of the Creation, contains a single city with streets of gold and gates of pearl, and it will never die (Rev.21).

The first heaven was made the SECOND Day. Genesis 1:6-8
The second heaven was made the THIRD Day. Genesis 2:4
The third heaven was is also made on the THIRD Day. Genesis 2:4

The world of Adam was an enclosed Biosphere much smaller than our earth. It was totally surrounded by the firmament which protected it from the water below and above it into which it was placed. Gen 1:6-8. while our own present world is surrounded by Star Dust. Adam's Earth was not on a Rocky Planet, like our present Earth, since it was "clean dissolved" in the Flood (Isa 24:19), and rocks don't dissolve in water.

This Earth, the Earth of Adam, was considered FLAT by the Ancient Hebrew Perspective. It's highest point is only about 22 1/2 feet above sea level, Gen 7:20 .... while our earth' highest elevation is some 29k ft. above sea level in comparison. Their entire Earth had only 4 Rivers while our present World has thousands of Rivers all over the face of the earth, indicating it was much much smaller than our Earth. Below, are some model images of Ancient Hebrew' Perspective of Flat Earth (simile) - for reference only - Adam's firmament of heaven - surrounded by waters below and above it.

Ancient Hebrew Cosmology Perspective.... https://www.pinterest.ph/pin/113715959316206919/

During the Great Flood, Noah and the Ark were 22 1/2 ft above Adam's Earth on the 150th Day after the Flood began. At this depth the mountains of that Earth were covered in water. Gen 7:20. On the SAME 150th Day after the Flood began, the Ark rested upon the mountains of Ararat. Gen 8:4.... That's one of the mysteries. HOW could the Ark be in both places on the SAME Day?

Your thought is welcome.

God bless

 

[Seve]

My Biblical Theory:

Adam's firmament of heaven which was incorporated and places beneath the surface of our hollow earth during the making of our own present world. It was in a completely enclosed Biosphere - protecting Adam's world from waters below and above it - like an incubator of Humanity. it was place beneath the surface of the water in Lake Van, Turkey, during the making of our worlds (multiverse).

The world of Adam, the first Heaven , as God called it, was much much smaller than our Earth. Their entire land had but 4 Rivers while our Earth has thousands. When the covered Ark rose upon the water which filled the firmament, it passed through the windows onto Lake Van, Turkey where it had been all the time, under the water.

During the great flood, Noah Ark was above the highest mountains of Adam's world (22 1/2 ft.). The firmament, in which Adam's Earth was contained beneath the surface of water in Lake Van, Turkey -- and end up floating in the largest Lake in the area, some 75 miles wide. It's in the vicinity of the mountains of Ararat. The first world was totally destroyed in water and Noah was brought safely to our 2nd Heaven, which was made the 3rd Day. Gen 2:4.

The first firmament of heaven which protected the interior of the Biosphere of Adam from the water which totally surrounded it, broke apart, when the windows on high were opened and it rained for forty days and nights, the Biosphere began to sink in the water. After 150 days the water was 22 1/2 feet deep and covered the highest hills of that world. The Ark which was covered, floated out the top of Adam's firmament into the largest Lake in the area (Lake Van) when the windows of their heaven opened and the flood gates of waters rushes in the firmament,.... as the firmament sank and broke, it released the Ark into our world - thus, Adam's world was totally destroyed / dissolved in the Global Flood.

We know this because In the New Testament, we were told that their heaven and earth whereby that the world THEN WAS -- standing out of the water and in the water -- being overflowed with water, perished? (Greek- totally destroyed) 2Pet 3:5-6

If it sounds like Atlantis, so be it.

No Spaceship necessary. It simply passed from one Biosphere to another. Soon, all Christians will leave this world and we will enter the Third Heaven, just as Noah entered our second Heaven. In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, thanks to Jesus. Are you ready?

This explains a way for a 450 foot Ark to be above their highest mountains of Adam's world (22 1/2 ft) ref. Gen 7:20 ...AND....in the mountains of Ararat on the SAME 150th Day after the flood began (Gen 8:4).

Our God is awesome God.

 

[JRT]

Here we go again

 

[JRT]

To me both the Hebrew Noah Narrative and the Babylonian Gilgamesh Epic are mythologies based on a the "tribal memories" of the flooding of the Black Sea basin about 7600 years ago or possibly the flooding of the Arabian Gulf about 10,000 years ago. Both these events were caused by rising sea levels at the end of the last ice ago. There is solid scientific evidence for both events. There is no evidence for a world wide flood or for the wild speculations in the first two posts of this thread.

 

[Seve]

Noah's Flood:

The idea that Noah brought thousands of animals/creatures inside the Ark is illogical. The total number could have easily been few hundreds only.

There was no need to bring creatures, animals and fowls of the air which were Created and brought forth from the water on the 5th Day, Gen 1:21 .... since those same kind of creatures, animals and fowls of the air (Their Kind-Trinity) were created here on this present earth, initially and already been living on our present Planet for Billions of years BEFORE the Ark arrived and floated in the vicinity of Mt. Ararat some 11k years ago. Science calls them common ancestors.

The creatures which were aboard the Ark were the creature/animals/fowls of the air which YHWH, the Son of God, Made with His own Hands - like a Potter would mold a clay - (His Kind) from the dust of the ground. He brought to Adam at the Garden of Eden in the beginning of the 6th Day, in order for Adam to give name to each one of them.

The common ancestor of All Humanity on this planet was Adam thru Noah - a direct descendant of the first Human - who was physically made/formed by the Lord God on the 3rd Day - for his meet.

God Bless

 

[Josiah]

I don't like theories.

 

[NewCreation435]

So your suggesting that the mountains were made in 150 days? When the rock formations themselves of the mountains suggest it took millions of years.

I say that you suggesting they were created in 150 days because your saying the earth was flat before the flood and then the ark rests on the mountains of Ararat which you mentioned.
3 "The water receded steadily from the earth. At the end of the hundred and fifty days the water had gone down, 4 and on the seventeenth day of the seventh month the ark came to rest on the mountains of Ararat. 5 The waters continued to recede until the tenth month, and on the first day of the tenth month the tops of the mountains became visible." Genesis 8:3-5

 

[Albion]

Below is the PROOF that you are intentionally misrepresenting my biblical stand - AFTER you have been told directly and well informed of my position of the matter from my other posts: (see below)

The nearly incoherent rambling you have posted is likely to be interpreted all sorts of ways by different readers. To accuse anyone, therefore, of "intentionally misrepresenting" it is not only wrong but also quite presumptuous. The right thing to do would be to apologize to jsimms for wrongly accusing him.

 

[Seve]

Noah's Flood:

The idea that Noah brought thousands of animals/creatures inside the Ark is illogical. The total number could have easily been few hundreds only.

There was no need to bring creatures, animals and fowls of the air which were Created and brought forth from the water on the 5th Day, Gen 1:21 .... since those same kind of creatures, animals and fowls of the air (Their Kind-Trinity) were created here on this present earth, initially and already been living on our present Planet for Billions of years BEFORE the Ark arrived and floated in the vicinity of Mt. Ararat some 11k years ago. Science calls them common ancestors.

The creatures which were aboard the Ark were the creature/animals/fowls of the air which YHWH, the Son of God, Made with His own Hands - like a Potter would mold a clay - (His Kind) from the dust of the ground. He brought to Adam at the Garden of Eden in the beginning of the 6th Day, in order for Adam to give name to each one of them.

The common ancestor of All Humanity on this planet was Adam thru Noah - a direct descendant of the first Human - who was physically made/formed by the Lord God on the 3rd Day - for his meet.

Genesis 1:21 tells us that every living creature that moveth was brought forth from the waters on Day 5. This includes the sons of God (prehistoric creature or mankind) - of Gen 6 who's origin is also from the waters and is also made flesh. Genesis 2 tells us of Creatures made from the dust of the ground. Some Unbelievers see this as a contradiction, and falsely assume that the Scripture is mistranslated.

They are ignorant of the fact that God (Elohim) originally brought forth EVERY Living Creature that moved, from the water, on Day 5 (Their Kinds= Trinity). The account of the formation of the beasts of the field and fowl of the air, from the Dust on the 6th Day, is when YHWH, the Son of God, squeezed, as a potter would mold a clay, and formed living creatures (His Kinds) from the dust of the ground .

The creatures made from the dust were identical to those brought forth from the waters and could produce offspring together.

The first Living Being made from the dust was man. Man was made on the 3rd Day before the plants and herbs, right after the mist that watered the whole face of the ground. Gen 2:4- 7. This gives mankind Preeminence or First Place among all other Living Creatures.

Like the animals made from the dust, humans also married and produced children with Prehistoric Beings brought forth from the water. That's where Cain's wife came from, and that is who Noah's grandchildren married, on this Planet (Gen 6). Incest was never part of the multiplication of Humankind, as far as the God righteousness is concerned.

After the union between the sons of God (prehistoric mankind) and daughters of men (humans) Gen 6, we are the result and we also acquired the DNA of the prehistoric beings of Common Ancestor of Apes thru blood contamination and we also acquired the Human intelligence that can ONLY be inherited from Adam (thru birthing process), the first Human. We are all descended with modifications from a common ancestor, and his name is Adam.

God brought forth every living creature that moveth from the water, on the 5th Day, and Jesus produced "His /Their Kinds" from the dust of the ground, at the beginning of the 6th Day and brought them to Adam for him name them. We are all confined to our own kind in order to multiply.

Unfortunately, Scoffers of the Last Days remain ignorant of God? Truth. Oh well....


God bless

 

[Seve]

you wrote it in your opening post. I am getting what I am saying directly from you. You said

"The first Heaven or the World of Adam - Garden of Eden - was in the midst of water below and above it and later destroyed in a Flood.
The second Heaven is our present world - surrounded by Star Dust - which is scheduled to be burned.
The third Heaven or world is the object of the Creation, contains a single city with streets of gold and gates of pearl, and it will never die (Rev.21)."

I put it in bold so you can see what your wrote.

[Staff edit] Adam and his generations up to Noah time was only 150 days - not even a year old - in duration of time, based on your made-up fallacy of argument that you wish me to engage into, am I right? NO THANK YOU.... Shaking my head again.... In fact, Adam's firmament of heaven was made on the 2nd Day Gen 1:6-8... and Adam's Earth was made on the 3rd Day as I have posted before.... which also means that each of God's Day in Genesis is approximately 4.5B years in man's time (see my quote below) based on my recorded biblical stand.

In fact, just in case you don't know, our own earth was like Johnny comes lately - also made on the latter part of the 3rd Day - and is only 5.43B years of age at this time.

[Staff Edit]
Oh well... Time to move on....BUT.... stay behind me, though.

Below is another of my recorded post which indicate my Biblical Stand - right above next to your previous post on the other thread.

Dear Readers,

The Un-Scriptural idea, that the 6 Creative Days and the 1 Day of Rest, are 24 hour periods of Time, is refuted by Scripture. The 7th Day has no End

God also tells us that Adam was made the 3rd Day after the Earth was made but BEFORE the plants grew. Gen. 2:4-7. The Earth was made the 3rd Day. Gen. 1:9-10 The plants GREW on the 3rd Day. Gen. 1:12.

This shows that the first Human, Adam, was formed of the dust of the ground LONG BEFORE ANY other living creature, before the plants, herbs, trees, Sun, Moon, Stars of our Cosmos, and "EVERY other living creature that moves" which came forth from the water on Day 5. Adam became Jesus'meet during the Creation process on the 3rd Day,

There is no interpretation needed since True Science has measured the time since the Big Bang at 13.8 Billion years ago, and God shows it was 3 Days or Ages ago, which means that EACH of God's Days is some 4.5 Billion years in length, in man's time. God's Truth is the Truth Scientifically, Historically, and in EVERY other way, IF you can understand God's Holy Word.

Only God, the Supreme Intelligence of Creation, the Creator who CANNOT Lie would get these things scientifically correct, even today. I like the FACT that Gen 2:4 shows that the Big Bang of our world was on the THIRD Day and the FIRST Stars of our Cosmos did NOT put forth their Light until the FOURTH Day. Gen 1:16

Science has recently learned that it took Hundreds of Millions of years AFTER the Big Bang BEFORE the FIRST Stars put forth their Light. It's PROOF that ONLY God could have written Genesis.

God and true science discoveries are in agreement.

God Bless

 

[Seve]

BELIEVE IT OR NOT.

There was no Human on this "Planet of Apes" (Evol's Terms) UNTIL Noah and his family arrived in the vicinity of Mt. Ararat - from the first heaven (garden of Eden) after their world was totally destroyed by the flood, some 11k years ago.

When the rains came to the world of Adam, the firmament, which protected the first world from the water that surrounded it.... it started to brake down and began to sink. The Ark, which was already upon the waters began to rise as the firmament sank. This released the Ark into ANOTHER world, to the present world of ours.

Here is what I believe the story of the Tower of Babel actually teaches - based on the Scripture.

Noah's descendants thought they could build a tower to Heaven and escape the present Earth, just like Noah had escaped from the first Earth. They didn't want to be scattered over the face of the whole face of the Earth, into the lands of the Savages (prehistoric mankind), so they tried to escape our world, but the LORD had other plans.

Thus, Humanity scattered over the face of the present Earth and the prehistoric people on this planet - took daughters of Men as their wives - produced offspring of mighty men of old and changed from innocent animal to Human intelligence (Gen 6:1-4). This shows that Humans did NOT evolve from Apes but from Noah's descendants.

Remember, the 1st heaven or universe was Adam's world (Gen 1:6-8 KJV), which was "clean dissolved" in the Flood. The present Universe is the 2nd Heaven, our world, made Billions of years AFTER Adam's world was made, and is also doomed for destruction and will be dissolved too. The 3rd Heaven or world is where Christians will go AFTER our world is burned Rev 21.However, it will never die since it is forever - ETERNAL.

Jesus said:
Jnh 14:1-2 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. v2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

[Rev 21:1 KJV] And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

Conclusion: God made a MULTIVERSE for us to live in.

God Bless

 

[Seve]

God also tells us HOW and WHEN the Prehistoric Creature/Mankind (sons of God) on our Earth inherited the Human intelligence which is unique to Adam and his descendants. God calls prehistoric mankind whose origin came forth from the water, sons of God Gen 1:21. Today's Science confirms that EVERY living creature MUST have water to live since EVERY cell in our body would die without it.

The sons of God (prehistoric Mankind) married and produced the Humans on the first Earth, which was totally destroyed in the Flood. Genesis 4 tells us that Cain married and produced Enoch, his son, with a prehistoric woman who could ONLY came forth from the water, as God commanded in Gen 1:21 No Ancient Man could have possibly known this. Read it for yourself:

Gen. 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men (Heb-Adam), and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

The giants were giants intellectually and physically as is shown at the end of the verse. They were the Humans of the first Earth, and they had agriculture, smelting, city building, and technology with little of NO evolution. Adam farmed with NO evolution, and Cain built a city with NO evolution, showing that Human intelligence is Superior to ANY creature made from the water.

Here is a Modern Image example of Giant Animals - Changes Within its Kind thru Cross Breeding Process = Hybrid Giant Offspring. https://www.pinterest.ph/fionaabrams/ligers/

The fulfillment of the prophecy of "and also after that" was fulfilled when Noah' Grandchildren formed a union of marriage with the prehistoric mankind or sons of God as indicated in Gen 6:1-4 and brought the human intelligence of Adam to Northern Mesopotamia in the mountains of Ararat. This happened some 10k years ago and the FIRST human cities and the FIRST agriculture, and the ONLY Human civilization on our Earth, PROVES it.

SUDDENLY, the sons of God, (prehistoric man) evolved the Human intelligence of Adam and changed from animal to Human intelligence. Prehistoric man settled down, built houses, cities, and developed math and writing, proving that anything is possible IF you have the intelligence of the first Human, Adam. Below is the empirical record of the arrival of the first Humans on this Earth:

Map: Fertile Crescent, 9000 to 4500 BCE.... http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/fertilemap.html

In less than 1% of the time since the sons of God diverged from Chimps, on this Planet, they went from Caves to the Moon and back, and yet Evolutionists and other Pretenders seem to be totally ignorant of this Biblical Truth. Human' blood also inherited the ERVs of the Common Ancestor of Chimps thru Contamination... BUT Humans did NOT evolve from the common ancestor, but from our own common ancestor whose name is Adam.

BTW, Humans are the descendants of Adam and were First made on the 3rd Day - long BEFORE any other living creature. Gen 2:4-7

God bless

 

[NewCreation435]

I am closing this thread for staff review and for clean up of flaming posts

 

[Lamb]

Thread has gone through a clean up and is now re-opened.