Mercy in the Prodigal Son Parable

[Romanos]

Where did mercy start in the Parable? What about Grace?

 

[user1234]

Grace and mercy comes from the Father. :thumbsup:
But I'm sure you want more elaboration than that, but I don't have time now.
Great question, GBU Romanos

 

[Rens]

Where did mercy start in the Parable? What about Grace?

dont even know the difference, we only have one word for it.

 

[Cassia]

Where did mercy start in the Parable? What about Grace?

hmn, I would think that mercy began with the father giving the prodigal his living inheritance and grace began in receiving him back from the world.

 

[user1234]

dont even know the difference, we only have one word for it.

Hiya Rens !!! :flowers1:
What do you mean, in Dutch there's one word for both grace and mercy?
Hmmm, that would streamline the bible a bit, I guess.

I've heard it said that:

Grace is God GIVING us what we dont deserve ....
Like salvation is a gift ... We're saved ... It's a gift ... by His grace ...

Mercy is God NOT giving us what we DO deserve ....
We have been saved from the wrath to come ... by His mercy ...
We deserve wrath, but we don't get His wrath because Jesus took it for us.

He GAVE US His Son, full of grace and truth .... Grace
He spared not His Son, but SPARED US instead .... Mercy

 

[Brighten04]

Hiya Rens !!! :flowers1:
What do you mean, in Dutch there's one word for both grace and mercy?
Hmmm, that would streamline the bible a bit, I guess.

I've heard it said that:

Grace is God GIVING us what we dont deserve ....
Like salvation is a gift ... We're saved ... It's a gift ... by His grace ...

Mercy is God NOT giving us what we DO deserve ....
We have been saved from the wrath to come ... by His mercy ...
We deserve wrath, but we don't get His wrath because Jesus took it for us.

He GAVE US His Son, full of grace and truth .... Grace
He spared not His Son, but SPARED US instead .... Mercy

Well said!

 

[MoreCoffee]

dont even know the difference, we only have one word for it.

Mercy is when somebody is good to you even when they have every right to be harsh towards you. Grace is when somebody gives you something that you did not earn.

 

[MoreCoffee]

hmn, I would think that mercy began with the father giving the prodigal his living inheritance and grace began in receiving him back from the world.

It's the other way around. Grace was giving the inheritance early. Mercy was receiving him back when his conduct deserved nothing but a harsh reprove.

 

[Cassia]

It's the other way around. Grace was giving the inheritance early. Mercy was receiving him back when his conduct deserved nothing but a harsh reprove.

No I don't think so. The second son had nothing coming in the first place so mercy was extended. Grace allowed him to return. If it had been up to the elder brother it would not be so. And altho all that belonged to the elder remained his, the younger was still celebrated.

 

[atpollard]

Deuteronomy 21:15-17
15 If a man has two wives, and he loves one but not the other, and both bear him sons but the firstborn is the son of the wife he does not love, 16 when he wills his property to his sons, he must not give the rights of the firstborn to the son of the wife he loves in preference to his actual firstborn, the son of the wife he does not love. 17 He must acknowledge the son of his unloved wife as the firstborn by giving him a double share of all he has. That son is the first sign of his father’s strength. The right of the firstborn belongs to him.

The elder son had a 2/3 inheritance coming to him and the younger son had a 1/3 inheritance coming to him.
WHEN THE FATHER DIED!

Deuteronomy 21:18-21
18 If someone has a stubborn and rebellious son who does not obey his father and mother and will not listen to them when they discipline him, 19 his father and mother shall take hold of him and bring him to the elders at the gate of his town. 20 They shall say to the elders, “This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious. He will not obey us. He is a glutton and a drunkard.” 21 Then all the men of his town are to stone him to death. You must purge the evil from among you. All Israel will hear of it and be afraid.

The younger son, in saying "I really don't want to wait for you to die, old man, so give me what I have coming to me NOW, and I'll take it in cash!" may very well have been a rebellious son as defined in Deuteronomy 21.

As a rebellious son he deserved death and yet his father spared his life in spite of the unthinkable act of demanding an early inheritance and selling it off. That is MERCY (not getting the punishment he deserved).

By actually granting the unreasonable request of the rebellious son and giving him his inheritance early, the father showed GRACE (getting an unearned gift) towards the younger son.

Thus both GRACE and MERCY were shown by the father towards the son right in the beginning of the story (and continue through it).

 

[MoreCoffee]

Deuteronomy 21:15-17
15 If a man has two wives, and he loves one but not the other, and both bear him sons but the firstborn is the son of the wife he does not love, 16 when he wills his property to his sons, he must not give the rights of the firstborn to the son of the wife he loves in preference to his actual firstborn, the son of the wife he does not love. 17 He must acknowledge the son of his unloved wife as the firstborn by giving him a double share of all he has. That son is the first sign of his father’s strength. The right of the firstborn belongs to him.

The elder son had a 2/3 inheritance coming to him and the younger son had a 1/3 inheritance coming to him.
WHEN THE FATHER DIED!

Deuteronomy 21:18-21
18 If someone has a stubborn and rebellious son who does not obey his father and mother and will not listen to them when they discipline him, 19 his father and mother shall take hold of him and bring him to the elders at the gate of his town. 20 They shall say to the elders, “This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious. He will not obey us. He is a glutton and a drunkard.” 21 Then all the men of his town are to stone him to death. You must purge the evil from among you. All Israel will hear of it and be afraid.

The younger son, in saying "I really don't want to wait for you to die, old man, so give me what I have coming to me NOW, and I'll take it in cash!" may very well have been a rebellious son as defined in Deuteronomy 21.

As a rebellious son he deserved death and yet his father spared his life in spite of the unthinkable act of demanding an early inheritance and selling it off. That is MERCY (not getting the punishment he deserved).

By actually granting the unreasonable request of the rebellious son and giving him his inheritance early, the father showed GRACE (getting an unearned gift) towards the younger son.

Thus both GRACE and MERCY were shown by the father towards the son right in the beginning of the story (and continue through it).

Are you playing SOLOMON?


psssst: My remark makes a whole lot more sense if you watch 55 DAYS AT PEEKING and pay particular note of the scene in which the dog is discussed.

 

[Rens]

See why we use one word now?
Makes it so less complicated LOL.
I still don't see the difference.

 

[atpollard]

I still don't see the difference.

Mercy = You break your mother's favorite vase and do not get a spanking.
Grace = You get a present and it isn't even your birthday!

Not really the same thing, are they?

 

[Rens]

Mercy = You break your mother's favorite vase and do not get a spanking.
Grace = You get a present and it isn't even your birthday!

Not really the same thing, are they?

No in this example it's clear, but we're saved by grace, but mercy at the same time. You can't seperate them.

 

[Brighten04]

No in this example it's clear, but we're saved by grace, but mercy at the same time. You can't seperate them.

My pastor refers to grace and mercy as Siamese twins.:rotfl:

 

[atpollard]

No in this example it's clear, but we're saved by grace, but mercy at the same time. You can't separate them.

Yes, God CHOSE to do it that way (to our eternal benefit).
But, God could have forgiven our sins and restored us to a Garden of Eden future, without choosing to have His Holy Spirit live in us or adopting us as sons. God had the option to just show MERCY (to not punish) and maintain the separation between Creator and Creation like when he traveled with Israel in the desert and care had to be taken to not get too close to a perfect God and be destroyed.

God made the choice to add GRACE (the birthday present) to His MERCY (not punish) by making us His children and choosing to live inside us. To make us part of the 'family' that the Father-Son-Spirit had always known.

So WE can't separate MERCY and GRACE because God chose to join them in the work of Jesus on the cross ... He bought our forgiveness and our adoption at the same time.

 

[Josiah]

No in this example it's clear, but we're saved by grace, but mercy at the same time. You can't seperate them.

Well.... in our relationship with God they are inseparable, but I think Arthur's point was they they aren't the same thing and they OTHERWISE would not NECESSARILY go together..... but they certainly do vis-a-vis God and Christians.

 

[Rens]

Well.... in our relationship with God they are inseparable, but I think Arthur's point was they they aren't the same thing and they OTHERWISE would not NECESSARILY go together..... but they certainly do vis-a-vis God and Christians.

Yes I get it now.

 

[Cassia]

Where did mercy start in the Parable? What about Grace?

yo watz up?

 

[Cassia]

Yes I get it now.

yo wazup?

There hotrymze done