Mark of the Beast (on the hand)

[hobie]

First lets look at what is God’s mark, or symbol, of authority:

Ezekiel 20:12 King James Version (KJV)
12 Moreover also I gave them my sabbaths, to be a sign between me and them, that they might know that I am the Lord that sanctify them.

Here we see God is saying that He gave us His Sabbath as a sign of His power to create and His power to sanctify (convert and save) us. In the Bible, the Sabbath, represents Gods holy power to rule as Creator and Savior and has never been changed. Now lets look first at the mark on the forehead:

Revelation 7:1-3 King James Version (KJV)
1 And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.
2 And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,
3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.

Revelation 7:1–3 says it will be written upon the foreheads (or minds) of His people. It will signify that they are owned by Him and have His character. We find Hebrews 10:16 and may others that it will be written in their minds or the forehead:

Hebrews 10:16 King James Version (KJV)
16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;

Since the symbol, mark, of God’s authority and power is His holy Sabbath day, it seems likely that the symbol, or mark, of God’s enemy the beast might also involve a day and its mark of authority. Let’s see if it does:

Revelation 14:8-10 King James Version (KJV)
8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.
9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

So what does the Roman Catholic Church say is her symbol, or mark, of authority? Notice from Catholic catechism:

“Question: Have you any other way of proving that the Church has power to institute festivals of precept?

Answer: Had she not such power, she could not have done that in which all modern religionists agree with her—she could not have substituted the observance of Sunday the first day of the week, for the observance of Saturday the seventh day, a change for which there is no Scriptural authority.”8

The papacy is here saying that it “changed” Sabbath to Sunday and that virtually all churches accepted the new holy day. Thus, the papacy claims that Sunday as a holy day is the mark, or symbol, of her power and authority. And they do not shy away from this...

"Protestants ... accept Sunday rather than Saturday as the day for public worship after the Catholic Church made the change... But the Protestant mind does not seem to realize that ... in observing Sunday, they are accepting the authority of the spokesman for the Church, the pope." Our Sunday Visitor, February 5th, 1950. This Rock

Question: Which is the Sabbath day?
Answer: Saturday is the Sabbath day.

Question: Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday?
Answer: We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday. -Rev. Peter Geiermann C.SS.R., The Convert's Catechism of Catholic Doctrine, p. 50

Q. Should not the Protestant doubt when he finds that he himself holds tradition as a guide?
A. Yes, if he would but reflect that he has nothing but Catholic Tradition for keeping the Sunday holy; ... Controversial Catechism by Stephen Keenan, New Edition, revised by Rev. George Cormack, published in London by Burns & Oates, Limited - New York, Cincinnati, Chicago: Benzinger Brothers, 1896, pages 6, 7.

"The Church, on the other hand, after changing the day of rest from the Jewish Sabbath, or seventh day of the week, to the first, made the Third Commandment refer to Sunday as the day to be kept holy as the Lord's Day. The Council of Trent (Sess. VI, can. xix) condemns those who deny that the Ten Commandments are binding on Christians." The Catholic Encyclopedia, Commandments of God, Volume IV, © 1908 by Robert Appleton Company, Online Edition © 1999 by Kevin Knight, Nihil Obstat - Remy Lafort, Censor Imprimatur - +John M. Farley, Archbishop of New York, page 153.

 

[hobie]

So we can see the mark of authority of the Papacy in the religious belief aspect on the forehead or (minds), but lets look at the mark of the beast on the hand or the secular aspect. We find the Pope is planning the implementation the secular aspect of the mark for even atheist is being laid out right before our very eyes.. A day of rest for 'Mother Earth' due to the nonreligious reasons, for 'climate change' and now more urgent to the conflicts and pandemics swirling among us.

If you go through the May 2020 Popes encyclical letter, 'Laudato Si', you find is suggested to be enforced by the nations.

Pope Francis updated May 2020 plan is to rally Nations behind Climate Change and Sunday law.

The encyclical is called Laudato Si, and is the Pope's encyclical on climate change, which looks on the surface as just reducing carbon emissions, carpooling, planting trees and recycling, etc....But in the encyclical, the Pope suggest also a worldwide day of rest, Sundays with keeping a better environment.

The implication here is that we need to have a law mandating rest on Sunday, so it appears that his agenda on climate change includes giving Sunday rest and worship mandated by law to improve the environment.. The Pope is asking the world to join this rest, take a look..

In his May 2020 encyclical updated letter 'Laudato S?i'.
"...As part of this year's anniversary activities, a 'Laudato Si' Action Platform will also be launched, with various institutions committing to a 7-year project aimed at reaching total sustainability in the spirit of Laudato S'i.
Among the goals of the platform, according to the Vatican's department for Integral Human Development, are adopting simpler lifestyles and developing ?ecological economics? based on sustainable production, fair trade, using less plastic and adopting a more plant-based diet to reduce meat consumption, as well as a broader use of public transport in order to reduce pollution.
According to their communique, the Vatican's development office intends to launch the platform in early 2021 by inviting several institutions to begin the 7-year project. The following year, they will encourage a new group to join, with the hope of doubling the number of entities committing to the 7-year plan.
In this way we are planning to grow a Laudato Si ' inspired network that continues to expand and grow exponentially each year,' they said, noting that this initiative will continue for each consecutive year of the new decade, with the goal of arriving at the 'critical mass' needed in order to lead a 'radical societal transformation' inspired by Pope Francis in Laudato Si......"https://cruxnow.com/vatican/2020/05/vatican-launches-year-long-cele...

The encyclical letter Laudato Si is available here on the Vatican website. And so we come to the notion of rest, or more accurately, Sabbath:
237. On Sunday, our participation in the Eucharist has special importance. Sunday, like the Jewish Sabbath, is meant to be a day which heals our relationships with God, with ourselves, with others and with the world. Sunday is the day of the Resurrection, the 'first day' of the new creation, whose first fruits are the Lord's risen humanity, the pledge of the final transfiguration of all created reality. It also proclaims '(humankind's) eternal rest in God'.[CCC 2175] In this way, Christian spirituality incorporates the value of relaxation and festivity. http://w2.vatican.va/content/francesco/en/encyclicals/documents/pap...

 

[hobie]

This is being pushed by many strange alliance of forces, and now the Pope is bringing it to a head...

"The 10:10 movement supported by the Guardian is a wonderful way to empower ordinary people to participate in the great movement of mitigating global warming. We cannot wait until governments are enlightened enough to legislate and cap the carbon emissions. Matters are urgent. We have to act now, without any delay. The power of public opinion and citizen action will have a strong impact on the climate conference taking place in Copenhagen.

One thing we can easily do to achieve this goal: we can declare Sunday to be a fossil fuel-free day or a low-carbon day or at least an energy-saving day. We can start this week, this month or in 2010. We can start individually and collectively. The long journey to cut carbon dioxide emissions can start in the here and now."

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/cif-green/2009/sep/17/low-c...

"Pitch

Once A Week, Give Our Beautiful Planet A Day Of Rest. A Green Sabbath Day.

Description
Summary
Green Sabbath is a non-religious, non-political, and non-profit campaign which aims to raise awareness and to encourage people to help slow climate change, preserve precious natural resources and improve planet health by observing at least one carbon footprint-free day each week--on any day of the week. We call it symbolically A Green Sabbath day.

" https://www.climatecolab.org/contests/2015/harnessing-the-power-of-...

They are even having children write the articles...

"In the current hazardous state that we are in, more proactive measures have to be taken. It is not impossible to lower the global temperature or slow its increase. Stopping everything for one day could save our jobs, our planet and our future.".. http://www.courant.com/opinion/op-ed/hc-op-fresh-talk-doolittle-gre...

 

[hobie]

We see the beast causes the mark to be in the hand (secular) as well as the forehead (or mind) which is the belief is held or religious belief:

Revelation 13:16 King James Version (KJV)
16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

The forehead represents the mind and a person will be marked in the forehead by a decision to keep Sunday as a holy day. The hand is a symbol of work and a person will be marked in the hand by going along with Sunday laws for practical reasons (job, family, climate change, pandemic, etc.). The sign, or mark, for either God or the beast will be invisible to people as it is the mark of authority from one or the other. You will, in essence, mark yourself by accepting either God’s mark, the day He made for man from Creation, the Sabbath, or the beast’s mark which is the Papacy, its mark of authority, Sunday/Sunday Sacredness. Though invisible to men, God will know who has which mark, and who they follow:

2 Timothy 2:19 King James Version (KJV)
19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

Revelation 20:4 King James Version (KJV)
And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

Now no one will have the mark of the beast until Sunday worship/secular day of rest becomes an issue forced by law, and it will come just as all Bible prophecy. At that time, those who decide to follow the false teachings of the beast and worship on the beast’s counterfeit holy day will receive his mark. Those who follow Christ and obey His truth will keep His Sabbath day holy and receive His mark.

 

[hobie]

Now lets look at the Mark of the Beast on the forehead or religious aspect. I posted this in one of the other forums and thought it would be good to post here...Lets see what the Bible tells us of the Mark of the Beast in Revelation 14:

Revelation 14:9-11 King James Version (KJV)
9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

In Revelation 14: 9-11, the Bible describes the terrible fate of those who receive the Mark of the Beast. In stark contrast, Revelation 14: 12 describes those who stand victorious with Jesus on Mount Zion:
Revelation 14: 12 King James Version (KJV)
12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Now lets look in Reveleation 7 to see what it shows of what happens with those who are sealed:
Revelation 7:1-3 King James Version (KJV)
1 And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.
2 And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,
3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.

In Revelation 7: 1-3 an angel ascends from the east with the seal of the living God. This angel comes down from heaven and puts a seal on people's foreheads. Two classes are represented as we see. Those who receive the mark of the beast and eventually receive the plagues. Those who keep the commandments of God, who are sealed by the angel, and do not receive the plagues. We read in Isaiah the following:
Isaiah 8: 16 King James Version (KJV)
16 Bind up the testimony, seal the law among my disciples.

Therefore, the seal of God is contained in His law. The Bible teaches that the final issue will be over the seal of God as opposed to the mark of the beast.

The Mark of the Beast is his seal of authority, and that would be "a rule or order that it is obligatory to observe" which he has passed. This would include the Sabbath along with all the other changes he has made that he claims he has the authority to do so, as we see in Daniel 7:

Daniel 7:25 King James Version (KJV)
25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws:

So it is a change of Gods seal of authority, which are his laws which have been with us since creation and were written out on the tablets of stone, by the Beast with false laws or rules of divine observance that are his seal of authority.

 

[Andrew]

The Vatican has run out of power, I do believe that they practice Sabbateanism and Frankism but the majority of American Catholic churches hardly give a toot of anything Papacy related from what I have gathered.
I thought SDA were down with Sabbath day observance so why the fuss hobie?

 

[hobie]

We are charged to follow Gods truth not traditions or doctrines of men, and his commandments stand as Jesus said:

John 15:10 King James Version (KJV)
If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

We have to be careful that we not be turned by any man or his ideas from Gods truth:
Colossians 2:4-8 King James Version (KJV)
4 And this I say, lest any man should beguile you with enticing words.
5 For though I be absent in the flesh, yet am I with you in the spirit, joying and beholding your order, and the stedfastness of your faith in Christ.
6 As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him:
7 Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving.
8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

Colossians 2:18-22 King James Version (KJV)
18 Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,
19 And not holding the Head, from which all the body by joints and bands having nourishment ministered, and knit together, increaseth with the increase of God.
20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,
21 (Touch not; taste not; handle not;
22 Which all are to perish with the using after the commandments and doctrines of men?

The Sabbath is the "sign" of God's people, however a individual can be a Sabbath keeping Christian and still have the Mark of the Beast. How so, well by following it in its false practices of worship, which is really worship of the Beast. Lets look at the text closely...

Revelation 14:9-12 King James Version (KJV)
9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Worshiping on Sunday or holding it sacred is a direct way of worshiping the Beast, but there are other ways which we must be careful to avoid, which opens the door to following the Beast power.

 

[hobie]

The Vatican has run out of power, I do believe that they practice Sabbateanism and Frankism but the majority of American Catholic churches hardly give a toot of anything Papacy related from what I have gathered.
I thought SDA were down with Sabbath day observance so why the fuss hobie?

This is why the Pope or the Papacy is pushing the world day of rest for the earth, as well as holding fast the religious side which many are now seeing is not biblical. So the beast power is not going to back down and get weaker, but as we see try to put its mark of authority on the whole world....

 

[hobie]

Lets look closer at one verse here, Rev.14:12 'Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.'

We see the mark of the beast has to do with God's law, keeping His commandments. While the Sabbath is central in it, as a "sign" of his people who keep his law, the text in verse 10 says 'If any man worship the beast and his image' it leads to the mark of the beast.

This means an individual can be worshiping the beast in what it lays out as its 'holy days' and practices which can only be seen as worship to false pagan gods and idols. So we have to keep ourselves clear of anything that worships the Beast and its image.

Scripture shows us what the law is and how we need to follow it.

Hebrews 10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;

Deep into our hearts it should go and be understood, not a surface understanding..

Even the Catholic church admits it 'superimposed' holy days on pagan feasts, but justify it by saying the the pagan connections to them ceased and the holy day became 'thoroughly Christian'. How do you make pagan worship 'thoroughly Christian'?

 

[hobie]

Now lets see what it means in the Bible for the word seal and take a look at the seal in Isaiah 8:16 "Bind up the testimony, seal the law among my disciples."

A seal was something that held fast and in this context was binded up.

Deuteronomy 6:2,8 That you might fear the LORD your God, to keep all his statutes and his commandments, which I command you....And you shall bind them for a sign on your hand, and they shall be as frontlets between your eyes.

and we see it will be a sign...

Exodus 13:9 And it shall be for a sign unto thee upon thine hand, and for a memorial between thine eyes, that the Lord's law may be in thy mouth.

Exodus 31:13,17 Truly My Sabbaths you shall keep: for it is a sign between Me and you throughout your generations; that you may know that I am the Lord that does sanctify you....It is a sign between Me and the children of Israel for ever.

and it is forever. But look at what do you do on the Sabbath, can we say 'worship' God.

The Mark of the Beast is about keeping of God's law especially worship, same as it always has been, and the Sabbath is at the center.

 

[tango]

Hmmm.... it makes you wonder if anyone who said anything really stupid, like, maybe, "the Sabbath was man for man, not man for the Sabbath" must be some kind of nutjob. Surely nobody in their right mind would say anything like that though, right?

You might also even argue that the commandment about loving God with all our heart, all our soul, all our strength and all that was about worship all the time rather than whether it happens on this day or that day. For good measure we get to throw in the question of just what counts as "work", and end up talking about some silly dude who said how doing good on the Sabbath wasn't a bad thing. Come to think of it, that was the same silly dude who said the Sabbath was made for man, if I recall.

 

[hobie]

Hmmm.... it makes you wonder if anyone who said anything really stupid, like, maybe, "the Sabbath was man for man, not man for the Sabbath" must be some kind of nutjob. Surely nobody in their right mind would say anything like that though, right?

You might also even argue that the commandment about loving God with all our heart, all our soul, all our strength and all that was about worship all the time rather than whether it happens on this day or that day. For good measure we get to throw in the question of just what counts as "work", and end up talking about some silly dude who said how doing good on the Sabbath wasn't a bad thing. Come to think of it, that was the same silly dude who said the Sabbath was made for man, if I recall.

Look at how the Pope side steps the issue calling it the "Lords Day" when the Commandments say the Sabbath...

"In his catechesis, the pope reflected on the commandment to “keep holy the Lord's Day” and spoke of the meaning of rest.

POPE FRANCIS
“The dominant concept of life today does not have its center of gravity in activity and commitment but in evasion. Earn money to have fun, satisfy yourself. The image-model is that of a successful person who can afford ample and different spaces of pleasure. Man has never rested so much as today, and yet man has never experienced so much emptiness as today.”

Pope Francis recalled that in the Bible, God's rest is related to looking joyfully at reality. And that this is the model of authentic rest. "https://www.romereports.com/en/2018/09/05/pope-francis-speaks-of-rest-sunday-is-the-day-of-thanksgiving-for-the-gift-of-life/

Exodus 20:8-11 King James Version (KJV)
8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:

10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:

11 For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

 

[tango]

I'm more interested in what Jesus said than what the Pope said. Would you care to address what Jesus said, without using an appeal to a lesser individual?

 

[brian100]

Are you going to let someone tat 666 on your forehead?

 

[tango]

Are you going to let someone tat 666 on your forehead?

Wow. From a request to discuss the words of Jesus to tattooing 666 on my head.

 

[brian100]

Well either you are forced or you battle to the death. I don't see anyone forcing this.

 

[tango]

Well either you are forced or you battle to the death. I don't see anyone forcing this.

Battle to the death?

 

[brian100]

Well maybe there is an easier way to do that to you. But if its forced someone will not make it.

When I was confirmed I had my forehead marked with the sign of the cross. It might be why nobody has been able to kill me yet.

 

[hobie]

I'm more interested in what Jesus said than what the Pope said. Would you care to address what Jesus said, without using an appeal to a lesser individual?

Well that's simple...

John 14:15

If ye love me, keep my commandments.

 

[hobie]

Well maybe there is an easier way to do that to you. But if its forced someone will not make it.

When I was confirmed I had my forehead marked with the sign of the cross. It might be why nobody has been able to kill me yet.

The mark on the forehead is that of belief, there are many who believe in this day which the apostate church/beast has as its mark of authority, and they follow from that. But now we see a false day of rest being put for 'mother earth/climate change" which have nothing to do with religious beliefs. But no matter if you believe/ forehead or follow go along/on the hand, we will see the mark of the beast enforced by law. Whether through a worldwide climate change day of rest to reduce carbon footprint or pandemic relief day of rest to fight the virus, it will be enforced. Now this is a major Bible prophecy end time event to be fulfilled. Revelation 13 tells us that the mark of the beast will be enforced upon the whole world:

Revelation 13:16 King James Version (KJV)
16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

Because of all the turmoil in the world from pandemic, climate change, social unrest, etc.., the apostate church (Babylon) and the governments will unite in convincing the world that they should enforce the mark of the beast as this will be the "solution" to the world's problems. They will convince the world into this deception, and as for those in the forehead/belief, they will spin that all these troubles are the judgments of God because of us not keeping this false day of rest. And this as we can see is starting to happen...