Jesus died for the sins of the world

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Murder is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.

Hence the whore drunk on blood

 

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Hence the whore drunk on blood

A familiar whore drunk in the spirit in order to convince the world that faithfull Christians are hers

 

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I recently got SXM radio and was listening to Family Talk (a Christian station). I used to understand Calvanism as sound theology but never considered myself one, but this host had me thinking. He mentioned Calvinist and refuted the claim that Jesus only died for the sins of the elect.
Jesus in fact died for everyone's sin HOWEVER any individual can choose to reject His atonement if they wish and in doing so remain condemned to die the second death.
God wills that all be saved.
How then can we harmonize free will with the will of God?
I don't believe works save, I believe works are evidence of faith and that these works are charity (God being the sole witness to them).
Fruits of the Spirit or gifts of the Spirit have nothing to do with works, they are God given attributes for his elected servants.
Thoughts?

With no broken bone The one Oracle of hebrew flesh held to a promise

 

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I'm reminded of one who posted this at another site:

"All the many religions of the world acknowledge we live in a fallen, broken, sinful world ... and that God does something about this. Imagine we are in a burning hut...

THE WAY OF THE MONKEY (every religion except Christianity):

Mother monkey comes for her baby. The baby jumps on her back and hangs on tight, while Mom gets runs out. Baby is okay because she jumped on the mother's back and held on.

THE WAY OF THE CAT (Christianity):

Mother cat comes for her kitten. She puts her teeth in the kitten's back, picks her up, and carries her out of the hut. Kitten is okay because Mom saved her.



A blessed Easter Season to all....



- Josiah

What site?

Satire?

 

[Andrew]

Neither.

A false dilemma is an informal fallacy based on a premise that erroneously limits what options are available. In its most simple form, called the fallacy of bifurcation, all but two alternatives are excluded. A fallacy is an argument, i.e. a series of premises together with a conclusion, that is unsound, i.e. not both valid and true. Fallacies are usually divided into formal and informal fallacies. Formal fallacies are unsound because of their structure while informal fallacies are unsound because of their content. The problematic content in the case of the false dilemma has the form of a disjunctive claim: it asserts that one among a number of alternatives must be true. This disjunction is problematic because it oversimplifies the choice by excluding viable alternatives. Sometimes a distinction is made between a false dilemma and a false dichotomy. On this view, the term "false dichotomy" refers to the false disjunctive claim while the term "false dilemma" refers not just to this claim but to the argument based on this claim.​

Try this:

• God both desires and commands all men to repent. (Acts 17:30)
• All men follow their natural desires (fallen nature) and refuse to repent. (John 3:19-20; Romans 3:10-12)
• Therefore, God draws some, chosen according to His purpose, to be drawn to the Son as His sheep, and these will hear and follow the Son, and receive eternal life. (John 6:43-45; John 10:26-30; Romans 8:28-30; Ephesians 1:3-14)

Ok. Why is it that I understand you (Calvinist) and Josiah (Lutheran) and agree with both yet you two don't disagree with each others theology? Im not talking about differences in the church, but when Josiah says he doesn't believe in limited atonement but does agree that the benefits of the atonement is only beneficial to those he chooses to give irresistible grace to (having no choice in accepting or rejecting it)?

 

[Andrew]

Murder is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.

So Paul wasn't forgiven?

 

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So Paul wasn't forgiven?

Slander is next to murder.

What are you accusing paul of?

 

[Andrew]

Slander is next to murder.

What are you accusing paul of?

Haven't you read the bible? I accuse him of nothing, the bible said he persecuted/killed believing Jews before Jesus spoke to him on the road to Damascus

 

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Haven't you read the bible? I accuse him of nothing, the bible said he persecuted/killed believing Jews before Jesus spoke to him on the road to Damascus

I don't recall anything about murder being attributed to paul.
Cite scripture if you chose to continue accusing.

Definition of
Persecute:
transitive verb. 1 : to harass or punish in a manner designed to injure, grieve, or afflict specifically : to cause to suffer because of belief.

 

[Andrew]

I don't recall anything about murder being attributed to paul.
Cite scripture if you chose to continue accusing.

Definition of
Persecute:
transitive verb. 1 : to harass or punish in a manner designed to injure, grieve, or afflict specifically : to cause to suffer because of belief.

Saul may have murdered indirectly like Nero or Hitler when it comes to persecution. So I stand correctly that there are no mentions of him actually killing anyone, however "Murdering" is not unforgivable, the bible says that hate is murder, and murders have no eternal life abiding in them.. Its a warning to REPENT just as Paul did

 

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Saul may have murdered indirectly like Nero or Hitler when it comes to persecution. So I stand correctly that there are no mentions of him actually killing anyone, however "Murdering" is not unforgivable, the bible says that hate is murder, and murders have no eternal life abiding in them.. Its a warning to REPENT just as Paul did

Are you saying that the murderer known as satan will be forgiven?

 

[Andrew]

Are you saying that the murderer known as satan will be forgiven?

Are you serious? Angels can't repent

 

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Are you serious? Angels can't repent

like i said,
Murder is the unforgivable sin.

 

[Lamb]

Are you saying that the murderer known as satan will be forgiven?

Jesus didn't die for the fallen angels or Satan.

 

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Jesus didn't die for the fallen angels or Satan.

nor did he die for the betrayer known as judas

 

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Saul may have murdered indirectly like Nero or Hitler when it comes to persecution. So I stand correctly that there are no mentions of him actually killing anyone, however "Murdering" is not unforgivable, the bible says that hate is murder, and murders have no eternal life abiding in them.. Its a warning to REPENT just as Paul did

There is such thing as "indirectly'

murder​

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Definition of murder​

(Entry 1 of 2)


1 : the crime of unlawfully killing a person especially with malice aforethought was convicted of murder



2a : something very difficult or dangerous the traffic was murder carrying the luggage was murder on my back

b : something outrageous or blameworthy getting away with murder



3 : a flock of crows There's a reason the proper term for a flock of them is a murder of crows, and it's not because we like having them around.— Jeffrey Kluger


murder
verb

murdered; murdering\ ˈmər-d(ə-)riŋ

\

Definition of murder (Entry 2 of 2)

transitive verb


1 : to kill (a human being) unlawfully and with premeditated malice



2 : to slaughter wantonly : slay



3a : to put an end to

b : tease, torment

c : mutilate, mangle murders French

d : to defeat badly


intransitive verb


: to commit murder

 

[Andrew]

There is such thing as "indirectly'

murder​

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mur·der | \ ˈmər-dər

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Definition of murder​

(Entry 1 of 2)


1 : the crime of unlawfully killing a person especially with malice aforethought was convicted of murder



2a : something very difficult or dangerous the traffic was murder carrying the luggage was murder on my back

b : something outrageous or blameworthy getting away with murder



3 : a flock of crows There's a reason the proper term for a flock of them is a murder of crows, and it's not because we like having them around.— Jeffrey Kluger


murder
verb

murdered; murdering\ ˈmər-d(ə-)riŋ

\

Definition of murder (Entry 2 of 2)

transitive verb


1 : to kill (a human being) unlawfully and with premeditated malice



2 : to slaughter wantonly : slay



3a : to put an end to

b : tease, torment

c : mutilate, mangle murders French

d : to defeat badly


intransitive verb


: to commit murder

"Indirect murder" are two different words

 

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"Indirect murder" are two different words

Thats my point.
Just because a person eats beef doesnt mean they are the butcher.

Pauls involvement in persecuting has no relevance to murder.
Murder is a direct action.

And where in scripture can you find pauls persection leading to murder?

 

[Andrew]

Thats my point.
Just because a person eats beef doesnt mean they are the butcher.

Pauls involvement in persecuting has no relevance to murder.
Murder is a direct action.

And where in scripture can you find pauls persection leading to murder?

murderers on death row can repent and turn to Christ and be saved, this actually happens a lot

Murder can be forgiven, blasphemy against the Holy Ghost can never be forgiven, that's the only unforgivable sin, there aren't two

 

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murderers on death row can repent and turn to Christ and be saved, this actually happens a lot

Murder can be forgiven, blasphemy against the Holy Ghost can never be forgiven, that's the only unforgivable sin, there aren't two

are you saying that taking the mark of the beast is forgivable?