Jehovah is our God, Jehovah alone.

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¶ “Listen, Israel! The Lord is our God, the Lord alone. [SUP][Or The Lord our God, the Lord is one.][/SUP] You are to love the Lord your God with all your heart, all your soul, and all your strength. (Deuteronomy 6:4-5 ISV*)

What does it mean when we confess that the LORD [SUP](Jehovah)[/SUP] is our God, the LORD [SUP](Jehovah)[/SUP] alone? Is it a profession of a kind of monotheism that a Jew or a Muslim would be comfortable with? Is it consistent with the doctrine of the holy Trinity? I think it is consistent with the doctrine of the holy Trinity.

The Cambridge Bible Commentary says this about the verse:
Deuteronomy 6:4

Hear, O Israel] So Deut 9:1; Deut 20:3, and similarly Deut 4:1, Deut 6:3; and nowhere else in the Hexateuch. The Sg. is to be explained as in Deut 5:1; but the continuance of the Sg. through the rest of this section is (especially if it is to follow immediately on Deu 6:1, see above) analogous to the appearance of the Sg. of the Decalogue in a Pl. context. There, as here, Moses uses the Pl. address for his own words, but quotes what God gave him at Ḥoreb in the Sg.

the Lord our God is one Lord] As the R. V. marg. shows, this is one of four possible translations of the elliptic Hebrew: Jehovah our-God, Jehovah One. The other three are: Jehovah our God, Jehovah is One; Jehovah is our God, Jehovah is One; Jehovah is our God, Jehovah alone. But the four are resolvable into these two: First, Jehovah our God is One, an expression of His unity, appropriate at a time when we know from Jeremiah that by the multiplication of His shrines the people of Judah conceived Him, as Baal or Ashtoreth was conceived, not as One, but as many deities with different characteristics and powers over different localities, cp. Jer 2:28. Second, Jehovah is our God alone: i.e. Israel’s only God, cp. Zec 14:9; Son 6:9; 1Ch 29:1. These passages are all post-exilic, and in the first two one may mean unique, but that here it means only (for Israel) is probable from the following verse. Some interpreters take the verse as ‘a great declaration of monotheism’ (so Driver). But had that been the intention of the writer the clause would have run ‘Jehovah is the God, Jehovah alone.’ The use of the term our-God shows that the meaning simply is Jehovah is Israel’s only God. Nothing is said as to the existence or non-existence of other gods, and the verse is therefore on an equality with Deut 5:7, the First Commandment, and with Deut 7:9, which implies no more than that Jehovah is a or the God indeed; cp. the curious Deut 4:19 b which seeks to reconcile His sovereignty with the fact that other gods are worshipped by other nations. Only in Deut 4:35; Deut 4:39 does an explicit declaration of monotheism appear in Deut.; it is to be remembered, however, that on other grounds the post-exilic date of these verses is possible. At the same time the phrase used here lends itself readily to the expression of an absolute monotheism, which later ages of a wider faith read into it. It is interesting to compare with our verse St Paul’s statement 1Co 8:4-6; we know that no idol is anything in the world and that there is no God but one; for though there be that are called gods …; as there be gods many and lords many, yet to us there is One God, the Father, of whom are all things. Note even here yet to us!​
 

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This is also a Jewsih prayer, the beginning of one
 

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It is called the Shema
 

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It means what it says, the Lord chose Israel as His people and they worshipped the one true God while many nations worshipped multiple gods rather than the one true God
 

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It means what it says, the Lord chose Israel as His people and they worshiped the one true God while many nations worshiped multiple gods rather than the one true God
Amen..
Dedication to only One God... The One True God....
 

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visionary in Post #6 most correctly offered:
“Originally Posted by bill1231”
It means what it says, the Lord chose Israel as His people and they worshiped the one true God while many nations worshiped multiple gods rather than the one true God
Amen..
Dedication to only One God... The One True God....

So when Jesus, as a Jew, prayed in front of his disciples in John 17:3:
And this is life eternal, that they might know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.
to whom was he praying?

Was Jesus praying to the One True God who chose the nation Israel to be His firstborn son?

Or was he praying to someone or something else?
 

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visionary in Post #6 most correctly offered:


So when Jesus, as a Jew, prayed in front of his disciples in John 17:3:

to whom was he praying?

Was Jesus praying to the One True God who chose the nation Israel to be His firstborn son?

Or was he praying to someone or something else?
He was Gods only Son, who do you think He was praying to? Am anxious to hear that answer as it will tell a lot about you
 

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Jehovah is our God, Jehovah alone.

It does appear to mean that there is one God for Israel and his name is Jehovah. Is it also Trinitarian?
 

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I believe in God as the only God and allso believe in the trinity as well, I take it you dont
 

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Before we get all caught up in trying to figure out God, let us just acknowledge He can be and do as He pleases, according to His Word, and is not restricted to just three identities. Think column of fire, burning bush, dark cloud over mountain top, consuming fire, etc.... People have described what they see and understand, but in no way does that come close to who God really is or can be. The three that have been identified with are The Father, who is not described because no one has seen Him and lived, the son who is the Only Begotten of the Father who came in the flesh, and the Holy Spirit who is like the wind inspiring people about God where ever He goes.
 

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bill1231 (and other Readers) may consider me to be a seeker. A seeker of truth.

My signature states:
Seeking to understand with precision, God's holy and coherent revelation to us.

An important aspect of the way to truth is the identification and highlighting of inconsistencies, and their resolution.

So when bill1231 states in Post #8:
“Originally Posted by Pedrito”
visionary in Post #6 most correctly offered:


So when Jesus, as a Jew, prayed in front of his disciples in John 17:3:

to whom was he praying?

Was Jesus praying to the One True God who chose the nation Israel to be His firstborn son?

Or was he praying to someone or something else?
He was Gods only Son, who do you think He was praying to? Am anxious to hear that answer as it will tell a lot about you
maybe he misunderstood that.

I believe that unless the Bible is consistent and coherent in its entirety, it cannot be the Holy Revelation from God that lots of Churches claim it is. And if it is not, then Christians have no basis for their faith.

So, let me restate the question with its attendant background, and ask bill1231 directly this time, to answer the question he chose to avoid in Post #8:
visionary in Post #6 most correctly offered:
“Originally Posted by bill1231”
It means what it says, the Lord chose Israel as His people and they worshiped the one true God while many nations worshiped multiple gods rather than the one true God
Amen..
Dedication to only One God... The One True God....
So when Jesus, as a Jew, prayed in front of his disciples in John 17:3:
And this is life eternal, that they might know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.
to whom was he praying?

Was Jesus praying to the One True God who chose the nation Israel to be His firstborn son?

Or was he praying to someone or something else?
 

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I believe in God as the only God and allso believe in the trinity as well, I take it you dont

I believe in the Blessed Trinity.
 

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The very first of the Ten Commandments fits with the Shema, saying that Yahweh alone is to be our God. The First Commandment is: “I am Yahweh your God, who rescued you from the land of Egypt, the place of your slavery. You must not have any other god but me” (Exod. 20:2, 3; NLT with Yahweh in place of “the LORD”). So the first commandment says in effect the same thing that the Shema says: God alone is to be our God, and we are not to have any other god but Him.
 

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The very first of the Ten Commandments fits with the Shema, saying that Yahweh alone is to be our God. The First Commandment is: “I am Yahweh your God, who rescued you from the land of Egypt, the place of your slavery. You must not have any other god but me” (Exod. 20:2, 3; NLT with Yahweh in place of “the LORD”). So the first commandment says in effect the same thing that the Shema says: God alone is to be our God, and we are not to have any other god but Him.

Do you identify Jehovah with one member of the Blessed Trinity or with the whole of the Blessed Trinity?
 

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The Encyclopaedia Britannica*states: “Constantine himself presided, actively guiding the discussions, and personally proposed .*.*. the crucial formula expressing the relation of Christ to God in the creed issued by the council .*.*. Overawed by the emperor, the bishops, with two exceptions only, signed the creed, many of them much against their inclination” (1971 edition, Vol. 6, “Constantine,” p.*386).
So basically the origin of this belief comes from a pagan that worshiped the sun god, and is not a biblical teaching.

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The Encyclopaedia Britannica*states: “Constantine himself presided, actively guiding the discussions, and personally proposed .*.*. the crucial formula expressing the relation of Christ to God in the creed issued by the council .*.*. Overawed by the emperor, the bishops, with two exceptions only, signed the creed, many of them much against their inclination” (1971 edition, Vol. 6, “Constantine,” p.*386).
So basically the origin of this belief comes from a pagan that worshiped the sun god, and is not a biblical teaching.

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Such an old encyclopaedia for you to be quoting. Are you one of Jehovah's witnesses?
 

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The Encyclopaedia Britannica*states: “Constantine himself presided, actively guiding the discussions, and personally proposed .*.*. the crucial formula expressing the relation of Christ to God in the creed issued by the council .*.*. Overawed by the emperor, the bishops, with two exceptions only, signed the creed, many of them much against their inclination” (1971 edition, Vol. 6, “Constantine,” p.*386).
So basically the origin of this belief comes from a pagan that worshiped the sun god, and is not a biblical teaching.

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Cobstantine did great harm to the Christyian faith
 

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MoreCoffee in Post #17 stated, regarding knm1113's quoting from the 1971 edition of the Encyclopaedia Britannica (Post #16):
Such an old encyclopaedia for you to be quoting. Are you one of Jehovah's witnesses?
Both posts contained new information for me. Assuming that MoreCoffee was actually asking if knm1113 was a Jehovah's Witness, I ask, with semi tongue in cheek:
  • Do Jehovah's Witnesses really use only “old” encyclopedias?
  • Do “old” encyclopedias contain inherently wrong information, or are they simply less politically correct?
  • If the information contained in “old” encyclopaedias is suspect because they are “old”, should we then, for consistency, reject the findings of church councils older than that 1971 edition of the Encyclopaedia Britannica?
 

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Does it matter when the encyclopedia was published since this is not new info
 
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