Israel/Palestinian conflict

[prism]

Nothing like one sided sentiments when it comes to the Jews. BTW I am 1/2 German.
Still waiting to hear why there are already 22 Arab States, but apparently none of the 22 Arab States will take in their Arab brethren. (I keep asking this, hoping for an answer).

 

[Lees]

I'll play along.

"If you believe the Scriptures are God's Word. Notice...."

Ezekiel 37: 11-12
Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts.
Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.

So when exactly did God open the Jews graves, cause them to rise from their graves, and bring them into the land of Israel? If this is a metaphor (which you will argue undoubtedly), where is the date that you are sure this is in reference to? In the side notes of the bible you read?

This hasn't occurred yet. It is for a future time when believing Jews are gathered from all nations and they will be brought under the New Covenant. (Ezekiel 36:23-28)

It will occur at the end of the Tribulation period and the 2nd Coming of Christ.

Lees

 

[Messy3]

Jews lived in Palestine before it was Israel. Peacefully, with Muslims and Christians. They don't have to leave. But since they have the backing of the West and a belief among Zionists (Christian Zionists too, of which you are one) to be a "Jewish State" - they practice without accounting all kinds of evils on the non-Jewish Palestinians and have been for 70 years. At least in America and Canada and Australia there still are native peoples. I can speak for Australia especially, there are numerous Aboriginals that have control over large sections of land and get government benefits.

But the aboriginals don't have a group like Hamas in tunnels and they don't blow up Australians. In Holland if your neighbour is a friendly guy who fled from Palestine or Syria, great. I put my kids in a multi culti school. Friendly people. But those women who married an ISIS guy and went there and now they wanted to come back, nobody wanted them back, but they had to. They committed war crimes. Move it. Israel has the choice between bad and worse. That guy says if we get rid of Hamas the Palestinians will be happy and can just live there. It's complicated though. So much hate from both sides.

 

[Messy3]

Nothing like one sided sentiments when it comes to the Jews. BTW I am 1/2 German.
Still waiting to hear why there are already 22 Arab States, but apparently none of the 22 Arab States will take in their Arab brethren. (I keep asking this, hoping for an answer).

I don't know if it's true, but I read that it was because they don't want Hamas living in their country either.

 

[Stravinsk]

But the aboriginals don't have a group like Hamas in tunnels and they don't blow up Australians. In Holland if your neighbour is a friendly guy who fled from Palestine or Syria, great. I put my kids in a multi culti school. Friendly people. But those women who married an ISIS guy and went there and now they wanted to come back, nobody wanted them back, but they had to. They committed war crimes. Move it. Israel has the choice between bad and worse. That guy says if we get rid of Hamas the Palestinians will be happy and can just live there. It's complicated though. So much hate from both sides.

Some day if the powers that be want to take over Holland, or genocide it's people, or any other place for that matter, the world outside the region will be bombarded with media saying that X group, a bunch of nasty terrorists, are hiding here and there. They could be anyone of any group description, and if it's repeated often enough, lots of lemmings will believe it.

I've learned enough of real history to realize that this is commonplace. The world will not accept an evil agenda, so the evil must be projected onto some group to blame so that it looks like there is an evil to purge, when it is in fact the opposite. People must be given an enemy to hate to justify whatever goals are to be achieved, so that is what is done. Time and time and time and time again.

 

[Messy3]

Some day if the powers that be want to take over Holland, or genocide it's people, or any other place for that matter, the world outside the region will be bombarded with media saying that X group, a bunch of nasty terrorists, are hiding here and there. They could be anyone of any group description, and if it's repeated often enough, lots of lemmings will believe it.

I've learned enough of real history to realize that this is commonplace. The world will not accept an evil agenda, so the evil must be projected onto some group to blame so that it looks like there is an evil to purge, when it is in fact the opposite. People must be given an enemy to hate to justify whatever goals are to be achieved, so that is what is done. Time and time and time and time again.

That guy who was a spie for them, whose dad founded it, says it. He knows it's true. He saw them torture Palestinians. They are evil, but not the normal people living there.
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[Messy3]

Christians Have a Duty to Hate the Evil of Hamas - Christianity Today

The example of Jesus, the teachings of the just war tradition, and Hamas’s own words make this clear.

www.christianitytoday.com

Is “occupation” the cause of Hamas’s savagery? It cannot be, for Israel stopped occupying Gaza in 2005, and Hamas has run that city-state since 2007.

Wither the Poisonous Plant of Hamas - Christianity Today

A Palestinian Christian’s view of this week’s tragedy in Israel—and how to address the roots of the problem.

www.christianitytoday.com

 

[Messy3]

Avraham Primor, former Israeli diplomat: Hamas is the Israeli government

View Avraham Primor, former Israeli diplomat: Hamas is the Israeli government on Odysee

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Why Israel is stuck with Hamas

Israel is no friend of Hamas, but tolerates Hamas' control over Gaza due to a lack of better alternatives, writes Daniel Byman.

www.brookings.edu

 

[Albion]

Interesting you want so much for there to be a "Jewish State", but I bet if hmmm...say...GERMANY wanted to be a GERMAN state with no jews, no non-Germans or minimal ethnic groups besides ethnic Germans....that would be racist right?

...it's just fine and dandy when "Israel" does the exact same thing to non-Jews.

False analogy.

Israel does not aspire to have an ONLY JEWS ALLOWED nation. Arabs have been living there since the establishment of the State of Israel and are even represented in the government. In fact, in recent years, the "United Arab List" (party) has been said to hold the balance of power between the leading contenders for control of the parliament.

 

[prism]

I don't know if it's true, but I read that it was because they don't want Hamas living in their country either.

FWIW..

Why Egypt and other Arab countries are unwilling to take in Palestinian refugees from Gaza

As desperate Palestinians in sealed-off Gaza try to find refuge under Israel’s relentless bombardment in retaliation for Hamas’ brutal Oct. 7 attack, many ask why neighboring Egypt or other Arab countries don’t take them in.

apnews.com

 

[Stravinsk]

False analogy.

Israel does not aspire to have an ONLY JEWS ALLOWED nation. Arabs have been living there since the establishment of the State of Israel and are even represented in the government. In fact, in recent years, the "United Arab List" (party) has been said to hold the balance of power between the leading contenders for control of the parliament.

Non-Jewish Arabs have been living there since the establishment of the State because prior to the establishment of the State of Israel they made up the majority of the population there. That has nothing to do with Israels aspirations. The fact that they keep taking over non-Jewish land and subjecting non-Jews to severe restrictions and regular murder does.

Live in whatever fantasy world you want I guess. Try to immigrate to Israel controlled land (not the Palestinian portions) as a non-Jew. Try to get a job there or a home there as a non-Jew. Good luck. The laws of the land and the judges of the courts aren't on your side. It doesn't matter if you are of arab ethnicity or not, Israel was dreamed up as, and aspires to be - a Jewish homeland.

If this is done anywhere else with any other religion, culture or ethnicity, it's called "racist".

 

[Albion]

Non-Jewish Arabs have been living there since the establishment of the State because prior to the establishment of the State of Israel they made up the majority of the population there. That has nothing to do with Israels aspirations.

What you claimed, however, was that Israel was comparable to Nazi Germany when it comes to racism. The facts say otherwise, and you virtually admit that when you post such an anemic response as you did here.

 

[Lees]

Non-Jewish Arabs have been living there since the establishment of the State because prior to the establishment of the State of Israel they made up the majority of the population there. That has nothing to do with Israels aspirations. The fact that they keep taking over non-Jewish land and subjecting non-Jews to severe restrictions and regular murder does.

Live in whatever fantasy world you want I guess. Try to immigrate to Israel controlled land (not the Palestinian portions) as a non-Jew. Try to get a job there or a home there as a non-Jew. Good luck. The laws of the land and the judges of the courts aren't on your side. It doesn't matter if you are of arab ethnicity or not, Israel was dreamed up as, and aspires to be - a Jewish homeland.

If this is done anywhere else with any other religion, culture or ethnicity, it's called "racist".

Are you kidding? Islam does this all the time. It is Islam's goal to place the country they live in under Islamic Shariah Law. They invade a country, breed like rats, and slowly force their will upon an area when they have the numbers to create chaos as they protest.

And Islam is Arab. It has permeated the Arab race.

Lees

 

[atpollard]

Instead they and the whole world tries to force Israel into a so called 'Two State Solution'.

A closer look at the history of the Two State Solution will reveal the truth about it. Israel has accepted the terms of the Two State Solution at least THREE TIMES so far. Israel has just ONE CONDITION to the Two State Solution: Palestine (the second state) must publicly agree that Israel has a right to exist and live in peace. It is the PALESTINIANS that have THREE TIMES rejected the Two State Solution because of the ONE condition of Israel. The Palestinian position is they want a ONE STATE a solution with all Jews gone from the Middle East. The “official response” from the Palestinians to the Two State Solution was …

• No negotiation
• No compromise
• No peace

Yet, somehow, everyone looks to Israel to see what THEY will do to appease these “poor Palestinians”. There would be a Palestinian peace TODAY, if the Palestinians would just say “YES” to the two state solution and agree to stop trying to bring about a Jewish genocide as their national policy. There would be no war today if the Palestinians had not invaded Israel, murdered 1400 people and kidnapped hundreds more.

The power to end the violence and bring peace to the Palestinian people has always been in the hands of the Palestinians themselves. They have steadfastly rejected peace and chosen war.

Do we, as Christians, really support the request that all Jews should leave or die as the reasonable request for peace?

 

[Messy3]

The power to end the violence and bring peace to the Palestinian people has always been in the hands of the Palestinians themselves. They have steadfastly rejected peace and chosen war.

The majority chose for Hamas, but there are a lot of poor Palestinians. They may not just flee. 1000 Palestinians are christian and can't flee from North to South, because then Hamas rapes and kills them. They should pick all these ppl up with airplanes or boats, especially the screamers who blame Israel for it.

 

[atpollard]

The majority chose for Hamas, but there are a lot of poor Palestinians. They may not just flee. 1000 Palestinians are christian and can't flee from North to South, because then Hamas rapes and kills them. They should pick all these ppl up with airplanes or boats, especially the screamers who blame Israel for it.

I suspect that life was unpleasant for many people living in Germany in 1944 as the Allies bombed the Nazi regime into submission to end the terror of WW2 that Germany has started. The government of Gaza chose to start a terrible war (by attacking civilians and taking hostages and using the Gaza schools and Hospitals and people as human shields). EVERYONE should be joining the cry to eliminate this sort of evil terrorist organization to bring those Palestinians that survive a chance for some other sort of life.

We should not be condemning Israel and demanding that the evil of Hamas be allowed to continue to oppress the Gaza people and threaten Israel-Palestinian peace.

As for the Palestinian Christians … we should pray for them. God is capable of protecting His people when He chooses to, and God is capable of calling them home to Himself when He chooses to. They knew the place where they lived and probably chose to be there (It is unlikely that Israel expelled Christians as terrorist threats). They are likely viewing themselves as “light” in a dark community. I want to bring them home to safety, too, but Hamas would never let them leave.

 

[Lees]

There will never be a two state 'solution'. And the Palestinians have never created a state after God expelled Israel out of the land. That land has just been under the control of various other nations. Israel has been a nation in the past and present in that land.

If Israel ever does agree to a two state solution, she has made a big mistake. It won't work. It doesn't matter what the promises are that would be made. They may call it a two state, but it won't be the solution.

God's plan for that land, and it involves much more then you see today, is only for the nation of Israel.

Lees

 

[Messy3]

There will never be a two state 'solution'. And the Palestinians have never created a state after God expelled Israel out of the land. That land has just been under the control of various other nations. Israel has been a nation in the past and present in that land.

If Israel ever does agree to a two state solution, she has made a big mistake. It won't work. It doesn't matter what the promises are that would be made. They may call it a two state, but it won't be the solution.

God's plan for that land, and it involves much more then you see today, is only for the nation of Israel.

Lees

There are Jewish Palestinians. Some say it's 85 percent. Others say it's less.

 

[prism]

There are Jewish Palestinians. Some say it's 85 percent. Others say it's less.

How would a two State solution skirt the warning of dividing 'My Land'?

Joel 3:2 NKJV
I will also gather all nations, And bring them down to the Valley of Jehoshaphat; And I will enter into judgment with them there On account of My people, My heritage Israel, Whom they have scattered among the nations; They have also divided up My land.

 

[Lees]

There are Jewish Palestinians. Some say it's 85 percent. Others say it's less.

Some say a lot of things.

Oh gee...the Palestinians are really Jews. What a revelation.

I guess the Jews in Israel are really Palestinians? And Arabs are really Jews. What confusion you imagine.

Just what is the point of what you are trying to say?

Lees