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Not here. We have a socialist party. They don't reign. I'm not gonna vote for them, because they're pro abortion, pro euthanasia, anti Israel, but they are not rich. They don't get paid as much as the others, because they think that's not social. And our prime minister doesn't get paid too insane much and he arrives on his bike. Only the king gets a lot and a lot want to get rid of him, but he's a nice guy.
I was speaking of Socialism, meaning the system as it works when in power.

If your Socialist Party is not IN power, then of course the true face of Socialism will not be in evidence since those people do not yet have the ability to impose their will on society as they would want. It sounds as though a lot of policies that Socialists favor and probably helped to establish are already operational, mostly with disastrous results, but until the Party is in a position to dictate policy, you will not see Socialism as it really is.
 
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I was speaking of Socialism, meaning the system as it works when in power.

If your Socialist Party is not IN power, then of course the true face of Socialism will not be in evidence since those people do not yet have the ability to impose their will on society as they would want. It sounds as though a lot of policies that Socialists favor and probably helped to establish are already operational, mostly with disastrous results, but until the Party is in a position to dictate policy, you will not see Socialism as it really is.
They have reigned, but together with others. We never had pure socialism. It's not national socialism. Just the group that wants it to get more even. For the church it was better when the socialists reigned. After they left we could quit church, cause if you finally got some money, you could pay it as taxes. But this is only in our country. It's not Cuba.
 

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They have reigned, but together with others. We never had pure socialism.
Okay. That would explain it.
It's not national socialism.
No..
Just the group that wants it to get more even.
That's the claim, but what does it really mean? When in power, Socialism does not produce equality, but it does stifle individual initiative whereby those in the lower classes would have a chance to better themselves.
For the church it was better when the socialists reigned.
I understood you to have said they only were part of some coalition government, never in power by themselves. That being the case, I think "reigned" is not a good choice of words.
 

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Okay. That would explain it.

No..

That's the claim, but what does it really mean? When in power, Socialism does not produce equality, but it does stifle individual initiative whereby those in the lower classes would have a chance to better themselves.

I understood you to have said they only were part of some coalition government, never in power by themselves. That being the case, I think "reigned" is not a good choice of words.
Govern? There are always a few parties together in the government and the others are in the opposition.

Stifles individual initiative? When the government was more socialist you could start a church and live from it. Then the right came in the government and houses for normal people weren't built anymore and the christian party didn't care about pastors not being paid, but the hookers had to get a nice income during corona. Actually I don't think I'm gonna vote anymore. All the parties are lousy.
Oh I forgot one. Jesus lives it's called. That guy is fabulous. He was on tv. But how are you gonna fix the traffic jam problem? He said: Oh I have a megaphone in my car and when I'm in a traffic jam I can proclaim the happy Gospel.
 
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Govern? There are always a few parties together in the government and the others are in the opposition.
Well, then perhaps we should say that you are fortunate.
Stifles individual initiative? When the government was more socialist you could start a church and live from it.
Churches as a rule don't produce goods or create wealth, so there's little to threaten a Socialist government in that. Try that same argument with business ventures and see how it works out.
 

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Traders in the Atlantic slave system included Arabs, Africans, Italians, Portuguese, Spanish, Dutch, Jews, Germans, Swedes, French, English, White Americans, Indians, and even thousands of blacks in the New World who had been freed and became slave-owning farmers or planters themselves. The responsibility, then, rests with peoples of all kinds who shared in the enormous profits made by the first multinational mass-market production system—the production of sugar, tobacco, coffee, dyes, spices, cotton, and so on.

It is both remarkable and disturbing that before the end of the eighteenth century this Atlantic slave system hardly aroused serious protest. The major world religions have long sanctioned slavery; popes blessed the first Portuguese slave traders and Islamic jihads justified the enslavement of countless sub-Saharan infidels for centuries. In Barbados, the Church of England owned hundreds of slaves in the eighteenth century, and many devout Quakers were actively involved in the slave trade as late as the 1850s. The small number of Jews in the Atlantic community accepted the enslavement of blacks as naturally as the Catholics, Muslims, Lutherans, Huguenots, Calvinists, and Anglicans.
For four centuries, the African slave trade was an integral part of European expansion and colonization of the New World.


And by the way there's still slavery. Kids in China make our clothes.

Likely it is so that a large number of non-jews were involved, however, I do detect a bit of generalization bias in that article, because Jews played a large part in the slave trade to the Americas. As for the Abolitionist movement that helped to abolish slavery, what faith predominately were they? Christian, not Jewish.

 

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Well, then perhaps we should say that you are fortunate.

Churches as a rule don't produce goods or create wealth, so there's little to threaten a Socialist government in that. Try that same argument with business ventures and see how it works out.
Like people buying houses and wanting to rent them to others? Yes they stop that, which is good. But there's a guy here who rents cheap caravans to the less fortunate and the right here stops him. They let ppl in to do lousy low paid jobs and they are crammed with 20 in a house and taken advantage of. He at least gives them a caravan, but now he must pay loads to the local governments and they try to stop him. Don't know if the socialist party would be any better. But my nephew is a millionair. He started his own company and as long as he pays taxes that's fine. It is really weird though that a church was better off when the unchristian socialists were in the government.
 

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We have 2 tiny christian parties here. One is more left, except abortion etc. and the other is more right. They want to stop immigrants coming in. I looked it up yesterday. I wondered how they did in the war, because they're selfish now. That's the reformed party, started by a reverend. He said in WWII that God used Hitler to punish us and the Jews. He was an antisemite. They kicked him out after the war, but kept the name. And now you see them doing the same thing to muslims. I have seen immigrants in churches I went to. They help them. A lot got saved here. The ones who kicked them out were always the nasty ones on the right. Now the right lets them in. It's not only the socialists who want to help them. Also the rich, cause it doesn't matter to them. It makes them feel good and it doesn't bother them. They have a nice big house in a fancy neighbourhood. Their kids can easily buy a big house too, where these people don't live. But they set the poorer and middle class up to them, by giving them the cheaper houses and refusing to build new ones. It may change now, cause people are mad and farmers have to leave. They take way too much space.
And by the way that antisemitic reverend got his ideas from Calvin. Don't oppose the rulers, even if they're horrid, like Hitler and Calvin is not one of my favorites as you might have noticed.
 
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All other stuff is fine. Why would they not want people to start businesses? More money for the country. The dangerous thing about the non christian ones is that they are pro abortion and anti Israel, but the unchristian right are pro abortion too and they all sold the country to Europe for money and the only party that is against that is from an unchristian Trump figure, who wants all the immigrants out. He even has the same hair.
 
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