Is freewill biblical or something we invented as society ?

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They all talk about freeill how pagans view and relate in how christian have freewill andpagans have freewill.

You've missed the whole point about free will. It isn't about you. It isn't about me. We are to emulate Jesus, right? What did Jesus say?
He said if there is a way take this cup from me, nevertheless, not my will but thy will.

That is overcoming the flesh, surrendering our will to the will of God. It isn't necessarily easy because everyone has their favorite worldly things that they like to choose.
 

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When God was preparing to judge Nineveh, he sent an unwilling Jonah to preach judgement there. The judgement was based upon Nineveh's wickedness - not God's will for the city. Nineveh was spared because through their free will the whole city repented of their wickedness.

Only for about 100 years was it spared. God did destroy it eventually.
 

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Free will isn't really free. We are either born slaves to Satan and sin or we become God's children who are made willing to follow God's will by the Holy Spirit's influence through Jesus' death and resurrection's power to follow him.

Notice Paul's description of our situation as unbelievers when we are born and as believers (Ephesians 2:1-10):

Eph 2:1 And you were dead in the trespasses and sins
Eph 2:2 in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience—
Eph 2:3 among whom we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, carrying out the desires of the body and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind.

Eph 2:4 But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us,
Eph 2:5 even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved—
Eph 2:6 and raised us up with him and seated us with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus,
Eph 2:7 so that in the coming ages he might show the immeasurable riches of his grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus.
Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God,
Eph 2:9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast.

Eph 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.
 

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Freewill is given to you since you are born if you are not born in a country which you are made slave by conquest like Rome. You are slave since birth, man was not meant to be slave. Adam has freedom and the word freedom to choose or freewill does exist and I have proved it.

Also the word לִבְחוֹר

livkhór is ( To choose )

together with this word

חֵרוּת

( Freedom ) another word.

Freewill did existed and in Deutronomy 30:19 God did give a choice two but still he did. And life is a good choice a great choice. Is their more of freewill in Judaism ? Yes, there is more and more to come. The best is yet to come !

As you see you can choose and you have freewill but it was limited. It was limted in Eden and limited now but Jesus gives us salvation. Now some will say you can't decide becuase God already planned everyting for you only have two choices live or die ! God gave it to you, I will ask you how many choices did you make in all your life ? How many errors and victories i'm know you had many. All of humanity has but remember you do have freedom to choose and God did gave not only Deuteronomy 30:19 to choose. in new testament Jesus aske the people if they wanted to be saved and loved by him. And told them they can be saved by him and be free.

Has in the past God has given choice besides Deuteronomy to prophets and people in the bible to change their destiny ? Yes, you Enoch and Elijah who did not Die. If you put prophets and people who were given a chance to change their destiny and totally show that the law of those times like the egyptians with Moses . Those laws were limited and they amde slaves of all. And Moses change his destiny and he was prince and become a beggar and then a prophet a savior to his people. I assure Moses was looking for his purpose in life and in his heart he wanted to do God's will and his plan. David had many choices, Paul persecuted Jesus and he got struck by God and realize he had to change his way, Deborah was used by God to save her people, and many prophets were normal people who God chosed and they were changed by God and prove laws of men and concepts of romans and egyptians were wrong and like the modern world is still wrong.

The prophets they prove by miracles that prove laws of pysics have errors. That laws of men and modern one have errors. That you can change your destiny i'm not asking you to sin, not asking you to go get a gun and rob. No, not asking you to make a company and like the rich got rich the bad way not to go change your destiny like that. Do things God's way and change your destiny. God's way is there people and he always gives you choice to avoid those errors and do things the hard way and make it

We are all meant to do his plan and his will i'm sure you have all forgotten what we read in the commands threads that I posted sometime ago and talk about " What is God's commandments and difference them " thread perhaps you do not know or forgotten. But with scripture God's word is not only the commandments but everything God has said when he was on Earth and i'm taking about when he told his prophets and told Israel what to do is law ! All his words are commandments unfortune it that is promblem we do not know all of it when he talked in which way he said things we have lost the correct way the talked in those times.

It is a dilemna but we know all his words that come out of his mouth is a law. But we know how to discern that he said somethings to Israel and something to neighbouring countries (like Babylon) was not meant to be use by us. Somethings that he said to kings, prophets, and his people are different for God is a God that is precise and exact and he does not make mistakes. The way of talk how ancient Israel is talked in times of Abraham, Moses, the kings era, and exile in those times the people changed and language changed.

Even though the correct way how they said things was lost we can still do his will and still complete the law of the 10 commandments (Moses law) and the other mitzvah laws. By how Paul says in romans love is the fulfilment and Jesus love thy neighbor and thy God. For those who are new and read freewill I have come across many people and wish to find true love and freewill. I will tell ya God has planned freewill for us and true love and he does wants us to fulfill the law he's way. And I know many of you don't know and I have explained it in other forums some do get to know true love and freewill and other haven't I assure you must have the love in the bible to get it. Have the faith Jesus says and love he says to go and find your personal mission and the right way to discern the commandments so your will not be done but deny yourself like Jesus and he will give you the way to find that and do his plan and God's will.

God does give us his plan and his commandments and even do we do not speak hebrew like David's time or Moses. People have been doing his plan and accomplish it like the prophets and today even though we have modern society that has technology and eduaction is easy. This world is full of lies and they wish to make people forget and don't know why God has sent you. But God has given us people in the bible and in the real world that have found their purpose and have found their personal plan. With God's help and without it people do exist and God's does things in his mysterious ways for he is A God that has secrets but to find the ture love, the personal plan he has for you, and for you to be the person God wants you to be. It is hard but the reason why it's hard it's because you are not his people, you are not those people of Israel who are real worshippers of the lord. The ones who love and will go all the way for the lord. You can say you are one but I assure I have met many brothers and sister online and real life that falter and left the church pray with me that things are hard and instead of people searching for God and doing his plan they leave the church.

And they leave for other things discussion,no job, and doubt themselves when it the time to hold on God more time than ever before. I will tell ya to be his people will find your purpose and if you tell me doing the things of daily devotional with God and some of you pray all day, and good news many brothers tell me they are singing psalms Colossians 3:15-17 like said. And doing it is good God is hard sometimes and he gives us tests and I pray you pass your tests. And if you do his plan in the bible and worship him constant and put things in hands and what we have been talking. It is his plan and I will also tell you if you go find that personal mission he wants you because not only you have to do the basic but pray and pass that hard test you have in life and ask him to tell you your personal mission which ever that he gave you before sending you from heaven to here.
 
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I pray for you to have it and because many brothers and sisters who I have talked now want to go find that purpose they have and want to do extra and really want to find out. Told me they are searching for it and know many here are searching. I apologize to you for talking about this, really it is hard to talk about this topics but are neccesary and happy many have found the verses that show God has a plan for you and he does want you to find that person mission he has for you. Being true love, do the simple things in the plan of God, and saving the person God sent you to save and you don't know.

And you haven't found it and your starting, pray and pray and do his tests you will see it is personal journey he sent us here and God will give you help in some tests and people will help in some and in others you have to do it alone. God does not give you a weight over your shoulder you cannot continue in your life. You will see you have to use other verses that helps you and when you completed that personal mission. It was hard and bugged you in your whole life but find the peace and freedom you wanted and gives you power to change your life. Like those of the bible and it is worth it

Pray for you to achieve it and it does exist. God will help you make the right decision and baptized. Becuase you arrive to this point in your life is because you are missing something in life and your searching if you think you have achieved it all and you've done it. Good thank God ! If your realize your still missing and your still searching because he kept you alive and wants you to find it and the world continues it's path and God wants you to do more than just the devotional ones and he gave a personal one. And now he wants you to do it. I pray for you, it is not easy but here read it and you will find he does want you to do it and he sent us here for a reason not our logic. He wants us to do it and with love and faith and if you have the right relationship with him you he will help you all the way. Because he does have something special for you but you don't know becuase your not changed person your not the person God wants, your still with world and you depend still on the world.


If you want to find it be God's people have true conversion in your life to love like he says and be wise. It is hard but their are people who found it and in the real world found it because they passed ard tests. And sometimes God will plan it in life and people inside the church and people who are not christians will find it. To show gentiles to look for those things and they find God or Those who found it did became christians. God has a wierd and hard way for man and women to find thier purpose and it is hard and dangerous sometimes but because it is worth it. Because humans are great and God made man and woman to be incredible and reach impossible things for God's glory.

We all can do and reach great heights and do things because we can and want to do things they always deny us. God does give to us and you ask God he will give to you. And the Lord gives and he loves you and he is patient with you. Because he knows your griefs and moments. And will give to you when your ready. I cannot do things for you I don't know you and I can't judge you. I pray for you and you find it. Wish for you to have wisdom and find the wisdom of the bible Jesus and Solomon and pray for you to have it. Here for some of us this will help.



If you can't find that is because your doing things wrong and you want to find you have to do things the hard things in life and God's way.
 

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We continue from post 55#

Who are you really ? Who are you really ? Do you really know yourself and you stop being like the world ? Have you fixed the promblem that bother you when you were young ? Did you achieve the purpose of you life or you don't know it ?

I apologize to you do not wish to offend talking about freewill and all of this is part of freewill and it's part of the plan of God. We see example of humans in time that are stuck with that and we have evolve in time and now in the twenty first century. Humans have made breakthrus and more people have a purpose fulfill and live a life where everyoen can have college and complete you goal, their dream ! And can be rich or be an actor or president of their country ? Many here don't know and have not. Why ?


People spent their whole life finding the meaning of life and many have different answers. They found they wanted to a famous artist, they want to save their father from a disease, they found that the meaning of life isn't one thing people and that we are all made for different things and purpose and if a painter spent all his life to make the perfect painting he achieved what he wanted. A musician finds the song he wanted and millions of people like it and finally writter writes the perfect book and millions love it. it's a lovestory that's good and you wanted it but guess what that those are Why you are here but is it finally what God wants ?
 

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Perhaps it's being rock cutter, fold mattresses, or just build machines in a factory ? You don't know why your here perhaps God sent you here to be one of those people you want or to be who you are and be happy who you are !
The bible says it he knows who you are and before he sent you he knew you. Who you were in heaven is mystery and you don't know. And now it's time that their no more lies in your life and you don't want to be an animal, you don't want to a car, you wanna be the person you were before he sent you here ?

Too much for you ? Maybe you don't want to be because so many errors you have done.
You don't want but God wants you to be that person ! Our lives are made to reach a goal in society and we lie and do what Rome does and Babylon does want to be someone else ! It's not an answer it's the nature of humanity to blame others and it's lie. It is what an eye for an eye exist and not look for love what the bible says to love thy neighbor and forgive. it's too hard and worst perhaps what we do if we don't understand what God sent us here what do we do then ? Destroy things and do what romans do or what Babylons do.

Perhaps that is why we do things and Babylon means that confusement you don't who you really you are and men and women don't know what God gives them and what he gaves in the time of Israel that we need so much. What is more important what was in heaven that he wants us to be like his servants. Their is verse in bible it says in matthew and luke and Jesus says in a prayer that we might ask God to be his will be done and not ours and his will like heaven to do on heaven. Complicated real complicated. How to start that ? How ? Their are many verses that do tell how is heaven is like what they do all day and heavens culture.


Really complicated how about you do the hard thing people how about you don't be like the world educates you in school not what tv and commercial tell you want to be and guess what be yourself but be the one you were in heaven before you came here ? What you don't know this your limit and it is the limit of all that I know that can't know and don't want to because they are afraid !
 

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This is complicated to talk I beg patience I apologize to you all wish for you to find that mission and have done good of 4 year research and finishing. The talk about freewill and plan of God is important many don't want to talk but the conversation is fruitful and has good informatin biblically. please wait until the end and you will the whole correctly. I will say to you, you will find the important thing you search your life. You find and see the plan of God is giving to all of us and he gave us part seperate and distinct purposes each one. We are given by him and for many we do not know but with long research I kow the biblically one and putting it and talking it is something one most do it wisely.

Please wait for me finishing I know the end and it is important and you will like it and find the answer your were looking for and find that mission.
 

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Are you here for short time and God planned it ? perhaps you say that you can't spent a whole life and wonder and it was something small or simple that he sent you for that. Yes it is the purpose God sent you and he sent each and every human for a plan and a purpose.


And even though it could be so small as that and you don't know it. He can do that and told that little one he only wantd him to be born and be baptizesd. He enjoy he's life and when the end time comes he will be showed his mission and he will be showed God planned him. Yes !
 

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Another persons life is that God sent him for a special time a special hour and minute he was sent to save some person's life and he was going to have a car and while he was driving he picked him and unknowingly he took him to the airport. If it wasn't for him he would of arrived alte he woulnd't of gotten the job he was going to get and he continue he's life this are small things but guess what it was God who planned it. Oooh you want an answer but you don't decide you want to know you don't know because you don't decide God decides and even if it offends he knows better.


He chose him to do that some of you say that's not fair I work to hard and spent all my life and i didn't know why i'm here and perhaps God wanted it so simple. It is hard we don't know were thrown here blind and not knowing our purpose of why he sent us here. He put tests and we pass them and we failed them. Perhaps that's the hardest thing your life is not what you want it and worst you don't know your life.


Then their is the man who worked for 50 years of his life and he sweated and bleed to put food on the table. He ask why is he here and he baptized and the hardest thing he died. Later his son worked on a book and thanks to his sufferment his book is manual for future doctors to learn surgery and the son became a doctor thanks to his father. Later God told his father in the end times he sent him for that ! Those are the decisions and the destiny of us humans we don't know and God send us not knowing what his plan was and why he sent us.
 

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But after so much sufferment some of us know why he sent us to give gesture that some of us know our purpose and we can change it and be doctors or be pastors or write song that millions would like ? It is unfair and life is life like a famous song says it.

Do not feel bad you don't know perhaps you don't know other have purpose and accomplsih because they sacrifice more than you.
And God has a bigger plan and he makes them go thru more toguh times than you. Better don't ask if you don't want and live a simple life better. You can decide just remember if you want to pray and he will give to you.


Pray and he will give it to you because he did gave a mission in this world and you don't know if you want to change your life go tell him if don't. Don't give excuses in your life that your afraid you wanted your life and got what you wanted it is not God's fault he always gives you chance maybe you don't know it he gave it to you. more to come and your gonna like it in the end.
 

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This is the hard things people and veteran christians like me know that those things are beyond the body and work and are what spirit of man his soul can do that God wanted us to do to worship him and to love thy neighbor and our God and it is what we can do to complete the law and ten commandments and even we cannot complete it perfect. Remeber it is Jesus who does.

We go with a question why do we have bodies ? Why in the first place ? Why is it important and it is part of what God made man and his purpose ? Goingt o to put the verses later but God made man and his body to be a temple. This is why the law of Moses forbids putting tattos on your body. That is the purpose of our body it is not meant to kill or build sckyscrapers. You can do that but God's purpose since the beggining is one thing.

And Jesus said to make God's will in heaven like on earth ! He said in a prayer in Matthew to be his will and if you have read what I posted about the commands and what is a command ? You will find everything God has said is a law and more important in the bible it is still hard for Judaism they have many interpretation on when God was talking to Israel, when he was talking to his prophets and when he was talking to kings. God everything he talks is perfect and told them exactly what to do but remember thruout history the flood, the destruction of the second temple, and the dark age of the roman empire. Humanity has lost the information God gave and humans change their way of talk and today people talk in another way and not how God told people in the time of Israel for some it bothers people.
 

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That is the importance of the bible that is why the body of man and woman is holy and we were to use our mouths and words to glorify God and preach the word. That's why we have a body that is our purpose you can workout, build with your hands, and do material things like painting but he did not give you that in the beggining. He wanted you to do one thing that is important as preaching and that is singing. The lord wanted you to sing in the beggining if it was not for the devil to try destroy God's original plan we all be on earth all of us singing and doing what in heaven they do. Sing " Kadosh Kadosh Kadosh Adonai Tzevaot " and sing for ever that is one of the few songs we know they sing in heaven. All this is important gold of scripture people and God's plan was for man not to sin and when we know we can change our life and body to do what he still wanted is what we must do !

This is not easy because when you find out what he wanted we realize their is an instinct we all have to survive and an animal we all have to change and be man of God or woman of God. And it is sometimes needed to conquer yourself and rebuke the world and be the person God wants you to be the person of the world but a person of the time of God's people when Israel worship God and loved him when in the times in the ancient days Israel had God's presence in the temple and they did good. God wants you to be his people and be fighting people that want to do good in your heart and be like Adam and Eve their pure form of love and innocence. How ? That is very hard. This where many of you don't know what i'm talking about and it is important and here is what God's love and tests he gives you to find that love and path is what he wants.

This is hard but it is what God wants and he wants you to be a child again and get that love and power to be his people again and be against the world. And be his people this is the important thing. He wants you to love again !

What is to love again ? He wants you to go back and be a child and from a child to do everything as a child not to be a man of this world but this is the important thing. To love like child and have faith in him like a child ? This baffles and how because in this world they teach you to be like what the world wants you to be ! A person of money, sin, and to person that obeys and does not questions the system ! This is very important and the bible does it say that we are his children ? Does the bible say to be child ?

Yes it does ! Jesus said it and many times in the new testament and to his disciples said it to be like children.

Matthew 18:1-3: Jesus tells the disciples that they must change and become like children to enter the kingdom of heaven



  • Matthew 19:14: Jesus says, "Let the little children"

  • Mark 10:14–15: Jesus says that anyone who will not receive the kingdom of God like a little child will never enter it.
    Jesus did tell us that and it is necessary. To love again.

he wanted it to move all over the world and preach the gospel !
 
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