Is freewill biblical or something we invented as society ?

[grumix8]

Ask God what is he sent you and you will find the secret of freewill and see things in Jesus view in how perfect will in God you have freewill if your the person that comes close to be like Jesus , he will reveal to you why he sent you and give you the powers to get to heaven, to being preisdent to find true love, to be like Jesus and love all like he does and show that secret he gives us all about him and do the thing he wanted you to find. And go thru all probablities to get there and find the things he wanted you showing that Huldah mistake and Moses mistake of hitting the rock and in error of man destiny can be changed but thru love and prayer to him and finding true love finding his secret of why he sent you, and finding the real things of the bible perhaps is why he sent you, so you can find the real things of the bible and help the world.

See that the error of Moses and huldah shows by example that destiny can go other way and for a purpose he has in secret and thru he's test he can reveal secrets their and showed us Moses error was left to show we can do the opposite and change the destiny by love and faith we could change error in love and it can go into actions in the future that will change histroy and

we can move destiny not in error like moses but love can change it ? Yes it is possible even though you cannot understand that something I do understand of how the universe and possibilities can change and we can change things for good and not make the mistake like moses did and huldah and get more people saved and have more people been baptized yes. Their are exception and God has given us exceptions that destiny can be changed and that determinism by his will can exist without him be having control all over the universe.

 

[Josiah]

@grumix8

This is the CHRISTIAN THEOLOGY section of CH. Specifically for discussions of Christian theology. It's not the philosophy section (is there one?).

In the past 500 years or so, there has been a debate in Christian theology. It's critical and necessary to note that this debate is NOT philosophical (it has nothing to do with the Greek philosophy of determinism) but is limited to one individual issue: it's laser focused on ONE thing - personal justification, that change from spiritual death to life, that change from being a child of Satan to a child of God. Some (especially post-Vatican II Catholics) call this "initial justification", some Protestants (especially "Evangelicals") call this "born again." It does NOT involve sanctification - that process of growing in holiness, love and obedience, growing and maturing as a child of God. It is instead focused on BECOMING a child of God, not GROWING as a child of God.

It has nothing to do with whether God determined that I have toast for breakfast this morning rather than oatmeal or eggs. It has nothing to do with how things were before the Fall in Genesis 3. It has nothing to do with our Christian lives. It has to do with BECOMING a child of God, BECOMING spiritually alive.

SOME argue that personal and initial justification is SYNERGISTIC - God does HIS part in this (the part that actually doesn't save anyone but rather makes salvation POSSIBLE for us to accomplish) and we do OUR part (the part that actually saves). And this part that WE do often involves a "free choice" Others insist that this initial, personal justification is MONERGISTIC - that Jesus is the Savior and Jesus does the saving, that faith is not something self creates and gives to self but that it is something God gives. Thus the debate. Orthodox, Catholic, Lutherans, Calvinists/Reformed, Anglicans are all monergistic. Methodists, most American "Evangelicals" and the cults tend to be synergistic but there are exceptions.


I hope this helps.




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[grumix8]

It helps to discuss the promblem of sin and salvation what your aiming but i'm talking about freewill before our creation because were past that and now talking about sin and freedom of sin into beinga child of God but growth and becoming is part of growth there. You don't know all the areas of freewill Josiah, I reccomend you read this again since you are only talking one part.

There is more freewill in it's different stages and you only get growth and becoming child of God. There is Why, Satan rebbelion ? Which proves freewill existed and it' philosophy is not comprehended and Freewill God had that he gave us and we have it small but still we can do some things and the freewill Adam had we can do also.

There is that and we can use freewill like god intended tell me Josiah do you know that freewill existed in Eden, before it, and we use it ?

Do you have freewill let me ask you and do agree determinism or don't believe in God's sovereignty that he put the path and you can change it ? Do you believe or you cannot change destiny ?

God has let paths be changed he has let us choose, ISrael and all of us were destined to be in sin forever because of the fall but thru Jesus we can change our path and be saved simple. But some people won't go there but continue that everything has been planned by God and even the small things are decided for us ! And say God is unfair, we cannot Judge but God decided for us to protect us for a reason.

Don't complicate yourself josiah be free of salvation and put things in God hands ask him to give you freewill under his wise wisdom and he chose the path becuase of the plan of God. Everything is connected in life and to find the secrets of freewill we will find the secret of Why, were here why God choose this for us and the purpose of why he sent us here. Know he's will and you will find what is the plan of God.

 

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[Josiah]

Funny funnies... but none of them have anything whatsoever to do with Christian theology - and this is the Christian Theology forum, not the humor forum.

 

[grumix8]

They all talk about freeill how pagans view and relate in how christian have freewill andpagans have freewill.

 

[grumix8]

And a matter of fact, it only encourages the bible believers to follow God's will and not there own, even the 'Lord's Prayer' tells us to seek God's will be done and not our own.

39 And He went a little beyond them, and fell on His face and prayed, saying, “My Father, if it is possible, let this cup pass from Me; yet not as I will, but as You will.”

Matthew 26:39

I will not post any cartoons ;D.

Is it so anyone can compare their freedom and ask if you.

But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. (John 1:12-14)

Therefore said the disciples one to another, Hath any man brought him ought to eat?
Jesus saith unto them, My meat is to do the will of him that sent me, and to finish his work. (John 4:33-34)

And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.
If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true. (John 5:29-31)

All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. (John 6:37-39)

And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day. The Jews then murmured at him, because he said, I am the bread which came down from heaven. (John 6:39-41)