How do Orthodox Christians calculate which day is Good Friday?

[psalms 91]

It also says that this particular feast will be kept eternally

 

[MoreCoffee]

It also says that this particular feast will be kept eternally

You think so?

 

[psalms 91]

Yeah I do it also says it will be kept in the millenium

 

[MoreCoffee]

Yeah I do it also says it will be kept in the millenium

Show me where in the holy scriptures it is taught taught that the feast of the Passover with its sacrifices and solemn meal of lamb, bitter herbs, and unleavened bread is eternal and that during the one thousand years of Christ's reign the passover feast will be kept with its sacrifices and solemn meal of lamb, bitter herbs, and unleavened bread please.

 

[psalms 91]

Read Revelation where it talks of all nations coming up to Jerusalem

 

[MoreCoffee]

Read Revelation where it talks of all nations coming up to Jerusalem

People reply as you have with remarks like "Read Revelation where it talks of all nations coming up to Jerusalem" when they do not have any passages from the holy scriptures to quote.

 

[psalms 91]

Oh, so you dont know the scripture? You seem to know most other ones or do you just want me to dig so you can keep me from posting?

 

[MoreCoffee]

Oh, so you dont know the scripture? You seem to know most other ones or do you just want me to dig so you can keep me from posting?

Please do post the passage. Let us see it.

 

[psalms 91]

Or you could just tell me I dont quote chapter and verse, never have been good at that so lets just quit with the games

 

[MoreCoffee]

Or you could just tell me I dont quote chapter and verse, never have been good at that so lets just quit with the games

There certainly is no chapter and verse about passover feasts being required of Christians.

 

[psalms 91]

You asked about celebrating it in the millenial and as I pointed out God said to keep it eternally

 

[Pedrito]

In Post #68 on Page 7 it was stated:

The Church is Christian Bill. We are not Jewish. We do not follow the rabbis.

However, if the Church really is Christian, (any Church and every Church that is), should not that Church (those Churches) actually do what Jesus commanded?

Should not His self-proclaimed followers (individually and collectively) commemorate His sacrificial, atoning death on their behalf, at the frequency and in the way He Himself specifically declared that we should?

It has nothing to do with rabbis, but everything to do with the Great Rabbi.

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In Post #45 on Page 5, I pointed out how simple it is to identify the occasion and frequency that Jesus Himself laid down for the formal remembrance of His history-changing sacrifice.

Has anybody bothered to perform that identification yet? Or is everyone so tied up with their own church's practice that they don't want to know?

As I quoted before, in 1 Corinthians 11:23-25, Paul revealed (emphasis added):

23 For I received from the Lord what I also delivered to you, that the Lord Jesus in the night in which he was betrayed took bread;
24 And giving thanks, He broke [it] and said, Take, eat; this is My body, which is broken for you; this do in remembrance of Me.
25 In the same way [He took] the cup also, after supping, saying, This cup is the New Covenant in My blood; as often as you drink it, do this in remembrance of Me.

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The matter is settled very quickly and with absolute finality, simply by identifying what Jesus and the apostles were drinking.

(MoreCoffee's theological pronouncement in Post #46 actually avoided the question.)


Would someone please be honest enough and brave enough to identify precisely what it was that Jesus and His disciples were drinking?

 

[psalms 91]

In Post #68 on Page 7 it was stated:


However, if the Church really is Christian, (any Church and every Church that is), should not that Church (those Churches) actually do what Jesus commanded?

Should not His self-proclaimed followers (individually and collectively) commemorate His sacrificial, atoning death on their behalf, at the frequency and in the way He Himself specifically declared that we should?

It has nothing to do with rabbis, but everything to do with the Great Rabbi.

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In Post #45 on Page 5, I pointed out how simple it is to identify the occasion and frequency that Jesus Himself laid down for the formal remembrance of His history-changing sacrifice.

Has anybody bothered to perform that identification yet? Or is everyone so tied up with their own church's practice that they don't want to know?

As I quoted before, in 1 Corinthians 11:23-25, Paul revealed (emphasis added):


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The matter is settled very quickly and with absolute finality, simply by identifying what Jesus and the apostles were drinking.

(MoreCoffee's theological pronouncement in Post #46 actually avoided the question.)


Would someone please be honest enough and brave enough to identify precisely what it was that Jesus and His disciples were drinking?

He was drinking wine and what He bought and paid for is even more important, it is not just being saved or salvation as most know it but also for our peace, our healing, our prosperity (not money but true priosperity), most do not understand this but He bought and paid for all of it

 

[Pedrito]

In Post #93 on Page 10, bill1231 offered:

He was drinking wine

My thanks to bill1231 for his reply.

However, I wish to ask a clarification of him.

What sort of wine was being drunk by Jesus and His disciples at that “last supper”?

 

[psalms 91]

In Post #93 on Page 10, bill1231 offered:


My thanks to bill1231 for his reply.

However, I wish to ask a clarification of him.

What sort of wine was being drunk by Jesus and His disciples at that “last supper”?

Given the times I would say alcoholic although I know some would disagree

 

[Pedrito]

It took me a long time to recognise it and overcome it.

I continue to find it amazing how successfully and effectively churches condition their members to not see what is right in front of them in the Scriptures.

But that is not surprising.

Looking too closely and seeing things that people are not supposed to see, can pose a serious threat to the status quo and related vested interests.

However, people so conditioned cannot be blamed for their resulting lack of perception. Until they are made aware of it.

I (therefore respectfully) suggest that bill1231 read the following, and then have another go at answering the question. Once he has looked, and if the answer still escapes him, I will be happy to provide the answer if he so requests.

Unless someone else jumps in first. The question is open to all.

Exodus 12:8:

And they shall eat the flesh in that night, roasted with fire, and unleavened [bread]. They shall eat it with [bitter] herbs.

Exodus 12:15 [[clarification added]]:

Seven days shall ye eat unleavened bread; even the first day [[the day of preparation]] ye shall put away leaven out of your houses: for whosoever eateth leavened bread from the first day until the seventh day, that soul shall be cut off from Israel.

Matthew 26:19,20:

19 And the disciples did as Jesus had appointed them. And they made the passover ready.
20 And when evening had come, He sat down with the Twelve.

Mark 14:16,17:

16 And His disciples went out and came into the city and found [it] as He had said to them. And they made the passover ready.
17 And in the evening He came with the Twelve.

Luke 23:11-13:

11 And you shall say to the master of the house, The Teacher says to you, Where is the guest room where I shall eat the passover with My disciples?
12 And he shall show you a large, furnished upper room. Prepare there.
13 And they went and found it as He had said to them. And they prepared the passover.

Numbers 28:16:

And in the fourteenth day of the first month [is] the Passover of the LORD.

What have we learned?

• The passover meal was to have no leaven associated with it.
• The original passover was commemorated on the 14th Nisan (Abib), (until by God's command its nature was changed at the building of the temple).
• The passover was prepared.
• Jesus was commemorating the prepared passover meal with His disciples.

Therefore, bread without leaven was being eaten, and (what sort of liquid?) was being drunk.

 

[psalms 91]

It took me a long time to recognise it and overcome it.

I continue to find it amazing how successfully and effectively churches condition their members to not see what is right in front of them in the Scriptures.

But that is not surprising.

Looking too closely and seeing things that people are not supposed to see, can pose a serious threat to the status quo and related vested interests.

However, people so conditioned cannot be blamed for their resulting lack of perception. Until they are made aware of it.

I (therefore respectfully) suggest that bill1231 read the following, and then have another go at answering the question. Once he has looked, and if the answer still escapes him, I will be happy to provide the answer if he so requests.

Unless someone else jumps in first. The question is open to all.

Exodus 12:8:

Exodus 12:15 [[clarification added]]:

Matthew 26:19,20:

Mark 14:16,17:

Luke 23:11-13:

Numbers 28:16:


What have we learned?

• The passover meal was to have no leaven associated with it.
• The original passover was commemorated on the 14th Nisan (Abib), (until by God's command its nature was changed at the building of the temple).
• The passover was prepared.
• Jesus was commemorating the prepared passover meal with His disciples.

Therefore, bread without leaven was being eaten, and (what sort of liquid?) was being drunk.

I will await your answer. I think what you are getting at is His blood but I do not believe that other than symbolically we dont drink His blood and eat His flesh.

 

[Lamb]

Given the times I would say alcoholic although I know some would disagree

Yes, you're correct. Mr. Welch invented grape juice to avoid wine during communion since he believed wine consumption to be sinful.

 

[psalms 91]

Our church offers both but yes in Jesus time it was probably wine

 

[Pedrito]

In my previous post (Post #96 on Page 10), I offered the following:

It took me a long time to recognise it and overcome it.

I continue to find it amazing how successfully and effectively churches condition their members to not see what is right in front of them in the Scriptures.

Once again without any direct or implied criticism, I will point out a couple of things which have been posted (statements that have been made) since.

I am doing so in the interest of increased understanding, and in the hope that it will help people step outside the conditioning in which they have been immersed, assuming they have the willingness to do so.

In Post #97 on Page 10, bill1231 said:

I will await your answer. I think what you are getting at is His blood but I do not believe that other than symbolically we dont drink His blood and eat His flesh.

In Post #98 on the same page, Lämmchen added to bill1231's thought, thus:

Yes, you're correct. Mr. Welch invented grape juice to avoid wine during communion since he believed wine consumption to be sinful.

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