I used to believe in the Antichrist version. How do you show it from scripture? I could not.We've already been around that mulberry bush.
Besides, this is the Christian Advice Requested forum, and you are neither a Christian by its definition nor seeking advice, so take it elsewhere.
Pray tell?There is only one passage that demonstrates it and everyone ignores it.
Pray tell?
Baptism in Jesus’ name, Trinitarian style.Pray tell?
Why does it need to be in scripture for you?Baptism in Jesus’ name, Trinitarian style.
The Command: “Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:” Matthew 28:19 (KJV 1900)
The Interpretation: “(For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)” Acts 8:16 (KJV 1900)
“And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.” Acts 10:48 (KJV 1900)
“When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.” Acts 19:5 (KJV 1900)
“Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.” Acts 2:38 (KJV 1900)
“Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?” Romans 6:3 (KJV 1900)
Why did it change from the Apostle's method?
The baptismal formula was changed from the Apostles’ baptism in the name of Jesus Christ to the words Father, Son, and Holy Spirit by the Catholic Church in the second century.
Baptism p263 Catholic Encyclopedia:
…”of this sacrament, the act of baptism must be expressed, and the matter and form be united to leave no doubt of the meaning of the ceremony. In addition to the necessary word “baptize”, or its equivalent, it is also obligatory to mention the separate persons of the Holy Trinity.”
The result? The Pope undermined Christ’s revelation about the name of the Trinity and the Apostles’ authority and gave it to himself. All of Christendom follows the Catholic formula instead of scripture on the matter. Consider Protestant creeds say the Papacy is Antichrist.
Why don't you point to the Biblical sections that talk about the Roman Catholic Church specifically, the bishops of Rome who came after Peter, and any other specific references.Why does it need to be in scripture for you?
The teaching authority of Christ in his church by his apostles is biblical!
Hint: Faith comes from hearing the word. Not false teachers.Why does it need to be in scripture for you?
The teaching authority of Christ in his church by his apostles is biblical!
They have authority from Christ to bind the conscience of all Christians in matters of faith and morals
And concerning baptism, baptise this way: Having first said all these things, baptise into the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, in living [running] water. … But if you have neither, pour out water three times upon the head into the name of Father and Son and Holy Spirit. — Didache 7:1, A.D. 70. )When original the apostles were still alive)!
AlrightWhy don't you point to the Biblical sections that talk about the Roman Catholic Church specifically, the bishops of Rome who came after Peter, and any other specific references.
That's the only way to have a meaningful discussion. Otherwise, there's nothing especially powerful or convincing about any one of us saying, in effect, "My denomination is the only real church."
Good for you.Alright
That doesn't identify any particular visible church organization, however.Prophecy of the new covenant and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. (The new covenant church) Jn 15:1-5 (the church is the new Jerusalem the kingdom) gal 4:26 (one church) Jn 10:16
Neither do any of these.Dan 2: 44 And in the days of these kings (Roman Caesars) shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.
Isaiah 2:2
And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the Lord's house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.
Micah 4:1
But in the last days it shall come to pass, that the mountain of the house of the Lord shall be established in the top of the mountains, and it shall be exalted above the hills; and people shall flow unto it.
Daniel 7:18
But the saints of the most High shall take the kingdom, and possess the kingdom for ever, even for ever and ever.
Rev 21: 10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,
11 Having the glory of God: and her light was like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal;
Lk 1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.
Lk 22:29 And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me;
Heb 12:22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:
Matthew 5:14
Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.
Peter AND the Apostles, eh? That would include more than just the church that is associated with Peter in Rome.Matt 21:43 taken from Israel given to Peter and the apostles Matt 16:18-19 18:18 Jn 20:21 eph 2:20
1 Peter 4:11
If any man speak, let him speak as the oracles of God; if any man minister, let him do it as of the ability which God giveth: that God in all things may be glorified through Jesus Christ, to whom be praise and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
Jude 1:8
Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.
Jude 1:25
To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.
Christ is king and has all authority and dominion!
Christ appointed Peter, the apostles, and their successors to govern the church and administer the kingdom until He returns in glory!
Submission and obedience to them is submission and obedience to Christ!
Like Joseph under pharaoh the king and his brothers bowed in obedience to Him as God willed!
More? More than none, you mean. Not a single one of those items points to the Church of Rome rather than other Christian churches, including some of the ancient ones founded by other Apostles.More?