Halloween? Your thoughts..... is it okay to celebrate?

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Joy know that you are child of God and that you are loved and protected. Know also tyhat many choose to not see the pain and suffering that is associated with this so dont condemn, just leave them alone to their thoughts and ideas. You know the truth and if it isnt accepted then it is ok, there are others who will accept it. Your experiences are real and I feel your pain. It is ok

I will ... thank you so much. I am so relieved to have read your comments. It means a lot that someone cares!! God bless you!!!
 

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I know a few hardcore Christians (my sister in law and brother in law) who has a child and they go Trick or treating and its just fun for them.

Exactly. It's what you make of it. If you go out to give your children some safe fun under parental supervision then there's nothing wicked in doing that.

For some a day or an item such as a costume is demon haunted and the wold around them is filled with wicked spirit creatures seeking to entice and destroy. Such ones need to avoid days, seasons, foods, places, and anything they perceive as demon influenced. But is the perception of demon influence true? Are Halloween costumes demon influenced - a costume such as one of the three musketeers, a princess, Captain America - or are they merely cultural references recognised by all and with no special significance with regard to the Satanic? The latter appears to be closer to reality.
 
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You aren't a Christian... how did you come to be here, Mark? I'm very relieved to have met you here.

I am a Christian... but I don't "fit" within most Christian circles, because ...well, you can see, most do not accept me. For me, as someone who has known the depths of evil, it's hard to see the church world so blinded and filthied by it, intermingled, and enmeshed... as if it's normal and innocent. My experiences have caused me to be very passionate about my relationship with God. Quite honestly, I wouldn't be here if He had not rescued me.

Anyway, I don't feel every teacher is bad... or that every professing Christian is mean, judgmental, cold, and hateful... but my experience for 30 years as a Christian has been that 95% of them are... and not everyone who says they know Christ actually do (else, their hearts would not be so cold).

Btw... I think that if satanists and pagans had another date other than halloween, that was their high holy day... those who call themselves Christians would find an excuse to participate. lol (sorry)

Mark, I am a person... a mom with children who receives threats to my life, and that of my children because of leaving what I was born in to... who has served God for most of my life... yet, cannot get help, love, compassion, or even a kind word from my supposed brothers and sisters (for the most part). It is a matter of fact... not opinion. I experience it over and over... and over... until I no longer seek a church home. No one wants to know ... it's like the homeless children in the slums who are being sold for sex in places like the Philippines... and rich people go there for vacations, walking past these children... and choose rather to turn a blind eye and go on with their fun. Just cold... :(

I use that example, because I have a dear friend in the Philippines (one of those rare persons with a true heart for Christ and love for the hurting and the broken) ... he and his wife live in the slums among the homeless, the street kids who have no one to care for them... and they minister to them, not only the Gospel, but practical things like food, clothing, housing, medical needs, etc. But my friend said he talked to an American nurse who came there for a vacation, and he showed her the street kids, and the homeless, and her response was... "Well, they're okay... it's all they know... " ... her heart wasn't even moved to help even one little child. Isn't that sad?

Mark... it's nice to meet you. I'm very grateful for your kindness... I really am. Thank you. :)


As you well know they do have others, they have the black sabbeths, the the ceremony where they present the brides of satan and a few other things, they are very busy
 

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Exactly. It's what you make of it. If you go out to give your children some safe fun under parental supervision then there's nothing wicked in doing that.

For some a day or an item such as a costume is demon haunted and the wold around them is filled with wicked spirit creatures seeking to entice and destroy. Such ones need to avoid days, seasons, foods, places, and anything they perceive as demon influenced. But is the perception of demon influence true? Are Halloween costumes demon influenced - a costume such as one of the three musketeers, a princess, Captain America - or are they merely cultural references recognised by all and with no special significance with regard to the Satanic? The latter appears to be closer to reality.
Do not trivialize her experiences and her pain, they are real just as the power of darkness is real and alive and well. Just because you dont see it doesnt mean that it isnt there. Her experience is not unique there are many out there hurting like her. If you cant help and feel her pain then please dont trivialize it
 

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Do not trivialize her experiences and her pain, they are real just as the power of darkness is real and alive and well. Just because you dont see it doesnt mean that it isnt there. Her experience is not unique there are many out there hurting like her. If you cant help and feel her pain then please dont trivialize it

My reply was to Krissy Cakes and her view was affirmed. Perhaps you misapplied my post to somebody else?
 

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All hallows eve is all saints eve. The eve before all saints day. Halloween does not mean "evil satanic rites night".

Halloween (n.)

also Hallow-e'en, Hallow e'en, 1781, in a Scottish context, the word and the magical lore about the date were popularized by Burns' poem (1785, and he attached a footnote explaining it), but it probably dates to 17c. in Scotland and is attested as the name of a tune in 1724. The tune is mentioned again in an English-Scots songbook ("The Chearful Companion") in 1783, and Burns was not the first to describe the customs in print.
Hallow-E'en, or Holy Eve, is the evening previous to the celebration of All Saints. That it is propitious to the rites of divination, is an opinion still common in many parts of Scotland. [John Main, footnote to his poem "Hallow-E'en," Glasgow, 1783]​
It is a Scottish shortening of Allhallow-even "Eve of All Saints, last night of October" (1550s), the last night of the year in the old Celtic calendar, where it was Old Year's Night, a night for witches. A pagan holiday given a cursory baptism. See hallow (n.) + even (n.); also see hallows. Hallow-day for "All-Saints Day" is from 1590s; earlier was halwemesse day (late 13c.).​
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People ought not be afraid of 31st-October.
 

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Do not trivialize her experiences and her pain, they are real just as the power of darkness is real and alive and well. Just because you dont see it doesnt mean that it isnt there. Her experience is not unique there are many out there hurting like her. If you cant help and feel her pain then please dont trivialize it
I believe there's some evil stuff going on with Halloween. I don't care though if my kids buy a stupid Halloween pumpkin in the supermarket because this stuff comes over from America. Halloween or not, they never dress up like monsters and witches. If someone sees no wrong in that, who am I to judge. Come on, call MC and others here a bully who isn't really christian, what's next? Lammchen is an evil bully because of her avatar? It's just like our Black Pete discussion or Christmas trees. It's all nice and dandy to watch out with other people's feelings, but if they flame and judge others my sympathy is gone.
 

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As you well know they do have others, they have the black sabbeths, the the ceremony where they present the brides of satan and a few other things, they are very busy


Yes, I do know :( Oh my goodness, they don't miss an opportunity to use something for evil... every holiday, Jewish feasts, birthdays, moon phases, etc ... every day is the day the Lord has made ... and yet, it is true, evil does exist. It is my purpose to come out from the things I was born into... and as we are commanded to abstain from the appearance of evil in 1 Thessalonians 5:22, 23... ...
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Abstain from all appearance of evil.

[SUP]23 [/SUP]And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

For me, there is a distinct and unmistakable difference.
 

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I believe there's some evil stuff going on with Halloween. I don't care though if my kids buy a stupid Halloween pumpkin in the supermarket because this stuff comes over from America. Halloween or not, they never dress up like monsters and witches. If someone sees no wrong in that, who am I to judge. Come on, call MC and others here a bully who isn't really christian, what's next? Lammchen is an evil bully because of her avatar? It's just like our Black Pete discussion or Christmas trees. It's all nice and dandy to watch out with other people's feelings, but if they flame and judge others my sympathy is gone.

Ma'am, I wasn't flaming anyone... I was accused of demonizing halloween. Does that not qualify as flaming? I only originally answered the OP, just like everyone else. He didn't ask for strictly one sided opinions... no, he asked should we, or shouldn't we... my opinion (based on my personal experience) just happened to be different than 99% of those who replied. Therefore, I was accused of demonizing and flaming. :( I apologize if my post and what I shared was offensive to you.
 

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I believe there's some evil stuff going on with Halloween. I don't care though if my kids buy a stupid Halloween pumpkin in the supermarket because this stuff comes over from America. Halloween or not, they never dress up like monsters and witches. If someone sees no wrong in that, who am I to judge. Come on, call MC and others here a bully who isn't really christian, what's next? Lammchen is an evil bully because of her avatar? It's just like our Black Pete discussion or Christmas trees. It's all nice and dandy to watch out with other people's feelings, but if they flame and judge others my sympathy is gone.

I agree. If somebody wants to avoid association with pumpkins and costumes on All Saints Eve then that's okay with me. Some people avoid bacon and pork and anything from a pig because they consider it unclean and that's okay too. I like bacon and it isn't ceremonially unclean for me. I don't do Halloween myself because it is not celebrated in Australia. I don't mind if people in the USA want to do it. If I lived there I would not participate because it is not part of my culture - and also because I would not see any point buying Kgs of sweets to hand out in dribs and drabs to uninvited callers.
 

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and also because I would not see any point buying Kgs of sweets to hand out in dribs and drabs to uninvited callers.
LOL
As a kid I had a friend and she plucked flowers for the neighbour and then the neighbour would give her some candy. So I was like: Yes! Let's do that!
We plucked a nice bouquet for her with free bugs in it and we got candy. So she got another bouquet and again candy. Hey, why don't we just pluck a tiny bit of those ugly flowers? Me want some more candy. My parents almost never gave me candy.
Hahahahahahaha she got sick of it and sent her barking dog. Get away you now!!!!!
 

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You aren't a Christian... how did you come to be here, Mark? I'm very relieved to have met you here.

Well, the owner of this site and I met at another site dedicated to the modification of the forum software we use here. I publish products for it, and the owner of this site invited me to join and I agreed to help out with some of the technical aspects of the site and to write some code to add to the site.

I am a Christian... but I don't "fit" within most Christian circles, because ...well, you can see, most do not accept me.

The vast majority here don't agree with my world view (I am an atheist), but this doesn't mean I haven't been accepted as part of the community. We have a lot of opposing views here, but a forum is a place to discuss our views and put them alongside the views of others. We can both learn and teach this way.

For me, as someone who has known the depths of evil, it's hard to see the church world so blinded and filthied by it, intermingled, and enmeshed... as if it's normal and innocent. My experiences have caused me to be very passionate about my relationship with God. Quite honestly, I wouldn't be here if He had not rescued me.

Well, we can't change the entire body of Christianity, I suppose the best that can be done is to engage in fellowship and bring to light those areas in which you see a departing from the Scripture, and be open to the Scripture as interpreted by others...either to find new knowledge or to reasonably disagree by backing your claims with more Scripture.

Anyway, I don't feel every teacher is bad... or that every professing Christian is mean, judgmental, cold, and hateful... but my experience for 30 years as a Christian has been that 95% of them are... and not everyone who says they know Christ actually do (else, their hearts would not be so cold).

Yes, I have heard many Christians say that not all who profess Christ are truly Christians...in fact we see evidence for this in the Bible: Matthew 7:21

I think we are called to look at a person's actions rather than their words...as words come much easier than actions.

Btw... I think that if satanists and pagans had another date other than halloween, that was their high holy day... those who call themselves Christians would find an excuse to participate. lol (sorry)

Well, I think that depends largely on a lot of factors. Suppose a day was declared to be solely in honor of Satan. Don't you think virtually all Christians would shun such a notion? We can't apply this to Halloween as it didn't originate explicitly as homage to Satan...

Halloween’s origins date back to the ancient Celtic festival of Samhain (pronounced sow-in). The Celts, who lived 2,000 years ago in the area that is now Ireland, the United Kingdom and northern France, celebrated their new year on November 1. This day marked the end of summer and the harvest and the beginning of the dark, cold winter, a time of year that was often associated with human death. Celts believed that on the night before the new year, the boundary between the worlds of the living and the dead became blurred. On the night of October 31 they celebrated Samhain, when it was believed that the ghosts of the dead returned to earth. In addition to causing trouble and damaging crops, Celts thought that the presence of the otherworldly spirits made it easier for the Druids, or Celtic priests, to make predictions about the future. For a people entirely dependent on the volatile natural world, these prophecies were an important source of comfort and direction during the long, dark winter.

Now, I can see how some might argue that such origins, with the spirits of the dead said to be roaming the Earth, is not something a Christian should associate with. But, it has evolved into a largely secular activity with only vestiges of its origins still in place. I also know that some would say, how many drops of raw sewage can I put in your drinking water before you declare it to be unclean. But, I think it has to do with an individual's mindset. If you see all things as either glorifying God or glorifying Satan, with no middle ground, then naturally you will shun Halloween and a great many other things as well.

Mark, I am a person... a mom with children who receives threats to my life, and that of my children because of leaving what I was born in to... who has served God for most of my life... yet, cannot get help, love, compassion, or even a kind word from my supposed brothers and sisters (for the most part). It is a matter of fact... not opinion. I experience it over and over... and over... until I no longer seek a church home. No one wants to know ... it's like the homeless children in the slums who are being sold for sex in places like the Philippines... and rich people go there for vacations, walking past these children... and choose rather to turn a blind eye and go on with their fun. Just cold... :(

I use that example, because I have a dear friend in the Philippines (one of those rare persons with a true heart for Christ and love for the hurting and the broken) ... he and his wife live in the slums among the homeless, the street kids who have no one to care for them... and they minister to them, not only the Gospel, but practical things like food, clothing, housing, medical needs, etc. But my friend said he talked to an American nurse who came there for a vacation, and he showed her the street kids, and the homeless, and her response was... "Well, they're okay... it's all they know... " ... her heart wasn't even moved to help even one little child. Isn't that sad?

Mark... it's nice to meet you. I'm very grateful for your kindness... I really am. Thank you. :)

Yes, there are a lot of bad things in this world and most of us feel utterly helpless in the face of it all. But I think as long as we pick our fights according to our abilities, we can and do make a difference. There are also a great deal of positive things happening in this world as well, due to the efforts of people from all walks of life. :D

I am happy you found us here Joy, and please don't think simply because someone might not see something in the same way you do that this implies you are not accepted. All we can do is present our case on something, and if others disagree we can take that as an opportunity to learn, to add to our own knowledge and to that of others.
 

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You aren't a Christian... how did you come to be here, Mark? I'm very relieved to have met you here.

I am a Christian... but I don't "fit" within most Christian circles, because ...well, you can see, most do not accept me. For me, as someone who has known the depths of evil, it's hard to see the church world so blinded and filthied by it, intermingled, and enmeshed... as if it's normal and innocent. My experiences have caused me to be very passionate about my relationship with God. Quite honestly, I wouldn't be here if He had not rescued me.

Anyway, I don't feel every teacher is bad... or that every professing Christian is mean, judgmental, cold, and hateful... but my experience for 30 years as a Christian has been that 95% of them are... and not everyone who says they know Christ actually do (else, their hearts would not be so cold).

Btw... I think that if satanists and pagans had another date other than halloween, that was their high holy day... those who call themselves Christians would find an excuse to participate. lol (sorry)

Mark, I am a person... a mom with children who receives threats to my life, and that of my children because of leaving what I was born in to... who has served God for most of my life... yet, cannot get help, love, compassion, or even a kind word from my supposed brothers and sisters (for the most part). It is a matter of fact... not opinion. I experience it over and over... and over... until I no longer seek a church home. No one wants to know ... it's like the homeless children in the slums who are being sold for sex in places like the Philippines... and rich people go there for vacations, walking past these children... and choose rather to turn a blind eye and go on with their fun. Just cold... :(

I use that example, because I have a dear friend in the Philippines (one of those rare persons with a true heart for Christ and love for the hurting and the broken) ... he and his wife live in the slums among the homeless, the street kids who have no one to care for them... and they minister to them, not only the Gospel, but practical things like food, clothing, housing, medical needs, etc. But my friend said he talked to an American nurse who came there for a vacation, and he showed her the street kids, and the homeless, and her response was... "Well, they're okay... it's all they know... " ... her heart wasn't even moved to help even one little child. Isn't that sad?

Mark... it's nice to meet you. I'm very grateful for your kindness... I really am. Thank you. :)



Yes sir, it is very sad. :(
I am grateful to have met you here.... thank you for your kindness! :)

I will ... thank you so much. I am so relieved to have read your comments. It means a lot that someone cares!! God bless you!!!

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LOL! Yes, I wasn't brave enough like you to be the first to say I didn't get it. :spy:

You're a good guy Mark :)

I like Boris :smirk:

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