God and genders

[Lamb]

There are so many people on Facebook pushing the videos about neutral genders and how there are more than 2 genders that they can categorize themselves as...which I disagree with. God came to earth in the form of man. He did not come here as woman or some non-existent gender that people are creating for themselves. In Genesis He created man and woman. On the ark there were 2 of each animal, a male and a female.

The push for other genders or to hide the given gender (keep your clothes on though!) is really annoying to me. Is this a generational thing?

 

[psalms 91]

Its an end of times thing, men lovers of themselves, unnatural affections, etc. It is abomination before God

 

[MoreCoffee]

There are so many people on Facebook pushing the videos about neutral genders and how there are more than 2 genders that they can categorize themselves as...which I disagree with. God came to earth in the form of man. He did not come here as woman or some non-existent gender that people are creating for themselves. In Genesis He created man and woman. On the ark there were 2 of each animal, a male and a female.

The push for other genders or to hide the given gender (keep your clothes on though!) is really annoying to me. Is this a generational thing?

There are people who are "intersexed" (in the old days we called them hermaphrodites) so there is at least one sex in addition to male and female.

 

[Lamb]

There are people who are "intersexed" (in the old days we called them hermaphrodites) so there is at least one sex in addition to male and female.

True!! Isn't that a cause of the fall though and not a true third gender type but instead a medical mutant?

 

[MoreCoffee]

True!! Isn't that a cause of the fall though and not a true third gender type but instead a medical mutant?

I have no idea if hermaphroditism is a result of the fall or a mutation or something else.

 

[Lamb]

I have no idea if hermaphroditism is a result of the fall or a mutation or something else.

Hermaphrodite causes:
"Causes

This condition is very rare. There are several ways in which this may occur.

It can be caused by the division of one ovum, followed by fertilization of each haploid ovum and fusion of the two zygotes early in development.
Alternately, an ovum can be fertilized by two sperm followed by trisomic rescue in one or more daughter cells.
Two ova fertilized by two sperm will occasionally fuse to form a tetragametic chimera. If one male zygote and one female zygote fuse, a hermaphroditic individual may result.
It can be associated with mutation in the SRY gene.[6]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/True_hermaphroditism

 

[MoreCoffee]

Hermaphrodite causes:
"Causes

This condition is very rare. There are several ways in which this may occur.

It can be caused by the division of one ovum, followed by fertilization of each haploid ovum and fusion of the two zygotes early in development.
Alternately, an ovum can be fertilized by two sperm followed by trisomic rescue in one or more daughter cells.
Two ova fertilized by two sperm will occasionally fuse to form a tetragametic chimera. If one male zygote and one female zygote fuse, a hermaphroditic individual may result.
It can be associated with mutation in the SRY gene.[6]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/True_hermaphroditism

Looks like lots of causes are possible.

 

[Josiah]

The push for other genders or to hide the given gender (keep your clothes on though!) is really annoying to me. Is this a generational thing?

Annoys me, too.

 

[Brighten04]

There are so many people on Facebook pushing the videos about neutral genders and how there are more than 2 genders that they can categorize themselves as...which I disagree with. God came to earth in the form of man. He did not come here as woman or some non-existent gender that people are creating for themselves. In Genesis He created man and woman. On the ark there were 2 of each animal, a male and a female.

The push for other genders or to hide the given gender (keep your clothes on though!) is really annoying to me. Is this a generational thing?

It is the transhuman agenda that is afoot.Most Christians want to stick their heads in the sand and not discuss this issue. But, it is real, it is happening, whether people want to recognize it or not.

 

[tango]

I remember learning about chromosomes back in the - ahem - decades gone by. We learned that female chromosomes are XX and a male are XY, and hence the mother will always pass on an X while the father may pass on an X or a Y and therefore the offspring will be XX (female) or XY (male).

We also learned that in a small number of rare cases people could be born with some other combination (XXY, XYY, XXYY etc). At the time that was considered a chromosomal aberration and very rare. But given the way science is messing with just about anything it can lay its hands on these days, who knows whether what was once an incredibly rare chromosomal aberration has become more common. It doesn't take a huge leap of faith to see that someone with XXY or even XXXY chromosomes may have the physical characteristics of a man while being emotionally and psychologically female.

That said it does get tedious trying to figure out the latest social scientists' opinions of how many genders there might be today and trying to figure out what, if anything, differentiates "male" from "male-cis-male" or similar. Even within the transgender community it appears that people identify as one or the other, even if they identify as something other than what their anatomical features might suggest.

I wonder how long the silliness will persist before we start to get rid of the also rather silly idea that people should be expected to undress in front of strangers for no reason other than sharing anatomical similarities. Perhaps the push to endless permutations of gender and gender identity will see a push towards unisex facilities with decent cubicles (i.e. not the rubbish pushed in the US that lets just about anyone look over or under the walls and doors, or through the unusually large gaps).

 

[user1234]

From post#10-

I wonder how long the silliness will persist before we start to get rid of the also rather silly idea that people should be expected to undress in front of strangers for no reason other than sharing anatomical similarities. Perhaps the push to endless permutations of gender and gender identity will see a push towards unisex facilities with decent cubicles (i.e. not the rubbish pushed in the US that lets just about anyone look over or under the walls and doors, or through the unusually large gaps).

Yes it's just silly! We should be allowed to undress in front of strangers for ALL KINDS of reasons! (Snort, hock-ptooey)
Now close the dang winda, son, thar's a draft in hyarr!

(oops, had ma skirt tucked in, is all. nevermind) eep:

 

[Stravinsk]

There are so many people on Facebook pushing the videos about neutral genders and how there are more than 2 genders that they can categorize themselves as...which I disagree with. God came to earth in the form of man. He did not come here as woman or some non-existent gender that people are creating for themselves. In Genesis He created man and woman. On the ark there were 2 of each animal, a male and a female.

The push for other genders or to hide the given gender (keep your clothes on though!) is really annoying to me. Is this a generational thing?

It's some people in deep deep delusions. Like homosexuality, in great numbers it is also highly toxic to society.

Its an end of times thing, men lovers of themselves, unnatural affections, etc. It is abomination before God

It may be end of times, it may be signs of end of western civilization. Many men in the west are, in growing numbers, refusing to marry - specifically because of these issues coupled with 3rd wave feminism. Hence the MGTOW movement.

Ironically, this woman is a feminist, and she's telling the truth:

 

[user1234]

The MGTOW movement ?
Is that part of the LGBT QRST LMNOP movement?

They gonna start runnin outta letters!
(and why does everything gotta be a movement, anyway?!
Can't they ever have an overture or something?)

 

[Rens]

It's no wonder. There's free porn everywhere and rape so then you get that.
It's just demonic, but noone helps these people get rid of that, so I don't blame them.

 

[MoreCoffee]

There are reasons to protect the human rights of people who identify as gay, lesbian, transgendered, intersexed, queer, and bisexual so be sparing with the mockery. Remember that in some places it is a crime to evangelise (Israel for example) or to be a Christian or Hindu (Mecca for example). It is easy for the state to pass laws making people into criminals - once there were laws that treated women as property - so do not be hasty to invoke the law to regulate the behaviour of people that do not fit the norms set by society or religion.

 

[user1234]

Decent ppl arent about violating human rights, what's gotten ridiculous, is the push in the direction that nothing can be deemed indecent, so it becomes anything goes, and sanity and morality are being left in the dust. It's getting turned on it's head, anything goes is being shoved down our throats, you better 'be tolerant', and those that resist it are the ones being ridiculed and treated even worse oftentimes. The inmates are running the asylum. Some ppl may laugh just to avoid weeping

 

[MoreCoffee]

Decent ppl arent about violating human rights, what's gotten ridiculous, is the push in the direction that nothing can be deemed indecent, so it becomes anything goes, and sanity and morality are being left in the dust. It's getting turned on it's head, anything goes is being shoved down our throats, you better 'be tolerant', and those that resist it are the ones being ridiculed and treated even worse oftentimes. The inmates are running the asylum. Some ppl may laugh just to avoid weeping

A lot of Christians say being a Muslim is tantamount to being indecent and a lot more say being gay, lesbian and so forth is unnatural and indecent so there is no prohibition in existence in the USA or other Western nations that stops people expressing their views against other people's religions and other people's sexuality. There are laws against inciting to violence and in some countries there are laws against public statements that aim to denigrate, harass, insult and so forth communities such as Islamic communities and gay/lesbian communities. I do not know if laws like that really do much good but I do know that inciting to violence can be very dangerous so let's be careful about what and who is mockingly denigrated in a discussion such as this.

 

[tango]

There are reasons to protect the human rights of people who identify as gay, lesbian, transgendered, intersexed, queer, and bisexual so be sparing with the mockery. Remember that in some places it is a crime to evangelise (Israel for example) or to be a Christian or Hindu (Mecca for example). It is easy for the state to pass laws making people into criminals - once there were laws that treated women as property - so do not be hasty to invoke the law to regulate the behaviour of people that do not fit the norms set by society or religion.

There's a difference between mocking people and mocking the use of increasingly jumbled groups of letters to describe an increasingly diverse group of people who have very little in common other than not fitting into the neat heterosexual-cisgender mold. Arguably a lesbian has more in common with me than they have in common with a gay man, simply because they and I both understand the concept of being sexually attracted to women. A reasonably substantial part of their identity is similar to mine, whereas the only thing they have in common with a gay man is defined by a difference from what was once considered "being normal".

One can respect the human rights of groups of people while still being somewhat bemused at a portion of alphabet soup that relentless grows in ways that ends up with them being referred to as the QUILTBAG community (that term frequently used by people I know from another forum, at least one of whom is lesbian and one of whom is transgender)

 

[user1234]

A lot of Christians say being a Muslim is tantamount to being indecent and a lot more say being gay, lesbian and so forth is unnatural and indecent so there is no prohibition in existence in the USA or other Western nations that stops people expressing their views against other people's religions and other people's sexuality. There are laws against inciting to violence and in some countries there are laws against public statements that aim to denigrate, harass, insult and so forth communities such as Islamic communities and gay/lesbian communities. I do not know if laws like that really do much good but I do know that inciting to violence can be very dangerous so let's be careful about what and who is mockingly denigrated in a discussion such as this.

Yes I STRONGLY suggest you dont mock or denigrate, you don't want to incite violence.
Of course, when a violent act is committed, some ppl like to blame the victim rather than the perp, so the world realy is a stupid mixed up place with the inmates running the asylum. Thank God Jesus saved us out of the world, and the day is coming when His return will usher in His Kingdom and Righteousness, and indecency and immorality will no longer be shoved at us and our children.

 

[tango]

A lot of Christians say being a Muslim is tantamount to being indecent and a lot more say being gay, lesbian and so forth is unnatural and indecent so there is no prohibition in existence in the USA or other Western nations that stops people expressing their views against other people's religions and other people's sexuality. There are laws against inciting to violence and in some countries there are laws against public statements that aim to denigrate, harass, insult and so forth communities such as Islamic communities and gay/lesbian communities. I do not know if laws like that really do much good but I do know that inciting to violence can be very dangerous so let's be careful about what and who is mockingly denigrated in a discussion such as this.

While it's clearly true that there are some people out there who appear to think that gay men are uncontrollable and will freely force themselves on anything else that is male and moves, sadly much of what passes for discussion where non-heteronormative individuals are concerned turns into little more than shouting and strawman arguments. The most obvious current example appears to be the issue of bathroom usage - a man who has medically transitioned to the point they are legally considered female will almost certainly have little if any libido and is therefore not likely to present a threat of any nature to women in the restroom, but allowing anyone to use any restroom based on their "gender identity" clearly makes it very easy for a man to walk into the women's facilities while then making it impossible to remove him (as one commentator put it, it's not difficult to imagine a teenage boy claiming to identify as female in order to get the chance to shower with naked girls)

I must admit I'm not seeing any "mocking denigration", other than comments about growing portions of alphabet soup to describe a group of people that causes much scratching of heads trying to figure out what the latest letter is supposed to stand for. And when some argue the Q stands for Queer and others say it stands for Questioning that does little to help the confusion.

Another part of the issue is that using endless piles of alphabet soup ends up making statements less clear than using old fashioned words. If someone is described as "a member of the LGBTQ community who is married to her partner", what exactly does it mean? Does it mean the person is a lesbian married to a woman? Does it mean a bisexual woman married to a man? A bisexual woman married to a woman? A heterosexual woman married to a man who is questioning her gender identity or her sexual preference, perhaps curious about being with another woman? From the original statement just about any of these are possible, but describing the individual in question as "a married lesbian" makes it clear what the situation is. The original description seems to follow the modern trend of using ever-more words that convey ever-less information which, if anything, merely causes confusion especially in a world that is increasingly hostile even when people genuinely want to get to know the person.