Gifts of the Holy Ghost

[1689Dave]

No. But what does that have to do with what we were discussing, anyway?

The Westminster Confession is not an Anglican credal statement, so it is ridiculous to refer to it as "your old Westminster Confession."

What's more, you made that mistake earlier, and I corrected you. So what's the point in restating it again, even if it had anything to do with this particular discussion??


Even if that were so, it isn't what you claimed a few posts ago and which I responded to.

What you wrote was this--

This must be another instance of you deciding to believe something, true or not, simply because you prefer to believe it, no??

How about this! of this sacrament, the act of baptism must be expressed, and the matter and form be united to leave no doubt of the meaning of the ceremony. In addition to the necessary word “baptize”, or its equivalent, it is also obligatory to mention the separate persons of the Holy Trinity.

 

[Albion]

How about this! of this sacrament, the act of baptism must be expressed, and the matter and form be united to leave no doubt of the meaning of the ceremony. In addition to the necessary word “baptize”, or its equivalent, it is also obligatory to mention the separate persons of the Holy Trinity.

It doesn't do anything to prove what you claimed earlier, though.

You claimed that a Pope ordered a change from one formula to the other. But both were in use during the first century.

And you claimed that the shorter form was scripture, implying that the longer one (from Matthew 28:19) was not, yet both are scripture and are found in the Bible.

Although the Bible as we know it today wasn't canonized until the 4th century, all of the books that we've been referring to had already been accepted by the various churches of Christendom at the time you are pointing to, and it was only a few of the books that come last in the NT that were in doubt at the time those councils convened in the 4th century.

 

[1689Dave]

It doesn't do anything to prove what you claimed earlier, though.

You claimed that a Pope ordered a change from one formula to the other. But both were in use during the first century.

And you claimed that the shorter form was scripture, implying that the longer one (from Matthew 28:19) was not, yet both are scripture and are found in the Bible.

Although the Bible as we know it today wasn't canonized until the 4th century, all of the books that we've been referring to had already been accepted by the various churches of Christendom at the time you are pointing to, and it was only a few of the books that come last in the NT that were in doubt at the time those councils convened in the 4th century.

It proves everything. But people have some big dogs in the fight to lose because of it. I haven't anything to lose and all to gain by it. So do what you want with it. I'm fine with it.

 

[1689Dave]

We are taking this thread off-topic. I posted an on-topic thread Baptism in Jesus’ name, Trinitarian style for us instead. Sorry to the OP.

 

[Joelightening]

Many believe the gifts of the Holy Ghost have ceased. That God no longer gives these gifts.

I believe all the gifts listed in the Bible are still present in the Church, whether or not they are acknowledged and used.

Sort of like belief in God. One can disbelieve in God. But it doesn't change God. One can reject the gifts of the Holy Ghost, but it doesn't stop their existance and their function.

(Eph. 4:7-8) (Rom. 11:29) God gave us gifts. He doesn't change His mind concerning them.

Lees

God gave me the gift of tongues and interpretation of tongues. I pray with the spirit and with the understanding.

Many Churches do not do what Paul told the Church at Corinth to do concerning spiritual gifts. Many of them have not studied 1st Corinthians, even if they claim to practice the gifts. Every "spiritual" Church I have attended violate the commands of God concerning the spiritual gifts.

 

[Lamb]

God gave me the gift of tongues and interpretation of tongues. I pray with the spirit and with the understanding.

Many Churches do not do what Paul told the Church at Corinth to do concerning spiritual gifts. Many of them have not studied 1st Corinthians, even if they claim to practice the gifts. Every "spiritual" Church I have attended violate the commands of God concerning the spiritual gifts.

So what did you say in tongues?