For Those Who Have Not Been Healed

[psalms 91]

Well I do not consider God's promises nonsense.

The power of life and death is in your tongue.

Your idea on Paul's thorn is that of your own circular logic.

Are we not the Sons of God?

What makes Paul better than us?

Is God a respecter of persons?

And people wonder why they never receive God's best,it's because they proclaim their unworthy when they are simply unwilling.

Right on brother, good stuff that

 

[tango]

Well I do not consider God's promises nonsense.

Nobody said you did. I would just urge you to make sure God actually made a promise before expecting him to keep it.

The power of life and death is in your tongue.

In my tongue? And are you talking literal life and death or something metaphorical? I know you're referencing Scripture, but the question still applies.

Your idea on Paul's thorn is that of your own circular logic.

Not at all, it's clear from what Paul wrote that God did not take the thorn from his side. How is that circular logic? It's circular logic to assume that the "thorn" wasn't sickness because God always heals and therefore God would have healed the "thorn" had it been an illness.

Are we not the Sons of God?

Of course we are, what of it? I am my father's son but I don't get to draw on what belongs to him.

What makes Paul better than us?

I never said Paul was better than us, just that since he was an apostle and none of us are apostles, since his words are counted worthy to teach untold millions throughout the centuries, one might have thought that something as fundamental as "God's will is always to heal" might have cropped up in his teachings, at least in passing.

Is God a respecter of persons?

What's your point here?

And people wonder why they never receive God's best,it's because they proclaim their unworthy when they are simply unwilling.

I'd actually be very happy if God decided to relieve me of a few rather irritating issues. There's certainly no lack of willingness on my part, other than an unwillingness to assume that God will always heal when experience says otherwise.

 

[dogs4thewin]

Here is the thing, I do not believe that Christ ALWAYS heals. Why? because there is a little thing called mortality. Sometimes people get sick and die and that does not mean they were not faithful to Christ.

 

[psalms 91]

Or it is the ultimate healing as this is just a temporal place that we pass through

 

[dogs4thewin]

Or it is the ultimate healing as this is just a temporal place that we pass through

so then I guess it depends on how one defines healing?

 

[psalms 91]

True, but is it not just a temporary place we inhabit here until we reach our eternal destination

 

[tango]

Or it is the ultimate healing as this is just a temporal place that we pass through

Certainly death for a Christian is the opportunity to receive our reward. I'm not sure how you reconcile your statement here with what you said in your opening post, "As I mentioned this passage is unconditional even sin cannot prevail against the prayer of Faith,so seek out a Church that gets results, a Church that has a funeral on a rare occasion.". I'm sure you'll find that every church has the same death rate - it's been holding steady at 100% for some time now.

 

[Hebrews 11]

This entire reply is a logical fallacy.
1 Satan said did God say..
2 Read the passage and the contextual intent of the author.
3 After Christ replied to Paul , does Paul mention it again?
4 So we cannot use the Name of Jesus, nor can God dwell in us through the Holy Spirit?
5 obvious.
6 That is between you and him.

 

[Hebrews 11]

The point is the passage in James is irrefutable.
The subject of death is a straw man.

 

[Hebrews 11]

I agree you have stayed within the contex of James by metioning the hereafter.
James: 4. 14. Whereas ye know not what shall be on the morrow. For what is your life? It is even a vapour, that appeareth for a little time, and then vanisheth away.

Even though death and Devine healing are not related.

It would be wonderful if people had the same faith for Devine healing as they do for death.

After all they both are truth.

 

[psalms 91]

Certainly death for a Christian is the opportunity to receive our reward. I'm not sure how you reconcile your statement here with what you said in your opening post, "As I mentioned this passage is unconditional even sin cannot prevail against the prayer of Faith,so seek out a Church that gets results, a Church that has a funeral on a rare occasion.". I'm sure you'll find that every church has the same death rate - it's been holding steady at 100% for some time now.

Do you agree that James is saying that sin will be forgiven and that healing will take place?

 

[Alithis]

Going home to heaven is the ultimate healing.

Interesting sentiment .. but is it believed ?

 

[Tigger]

Interesting sentiment .. but is it believed ?

Yes.

 

[Alithis]

The point is the passage in James is irrefutable.
The subject of death is a straw man.

i think im hearing you right ..hope so .

but i agree . the topic of death as "healing " when healing is not received .. and then saying death is a way of receiving their reward ..???? reward for what .. for unbelief ?

ok this has been on my heart a lot recently .but the lord Jesus is the truth and he spoke truth in every meaning of the word for he is the living word of God ..

and he made this astounding statement - if you seek to save your life you will lose it (eternally) if you lose it for my name sake .. you will save it .

now everyone jumps to the conclusion that it speaks of a singular scenario -ie martyrdom ... not denying the lord to save your skin.

But look deeper wider higher ... Do we not deny him every time we run and place our faith in mans limited ability to alleviate symptoms rather than faith in God to HEAL the cause of the symptoms ?

how is it then that we think we can be so disloyal in "FAITH" and suddenly be loyal at some catastrophic scenario ? when did such strength of faith grow to be so strong ?

-i wonder in myself where is my desire to die rather than deny the chance for God to be glorified in me (knowing that he is able to raise us up again even if we die) .it is of no wonder then to me that we do not see the awesome limitless power of God i the western church. we no longer believe unto the death ..
put it in perspective with these verses .. and they overcame by the blood of the lamb and the word of their testimony and they loved not their lives even unto death

in truth of that measure .. we love our lives so much we run to man to save our body and as an after thought ..ask the church to pray for us .
ok YES im speaking in the harsh extreme .. but when i really observe the direct words of the lord JESUS that is what i see .. i see an uncompromising TRUTH full of promise and life ..to those that would rather die then Deny him that Glory .I am greatly stirred by this .
it is an underlying reason that the anti christ is pushing medical issues as justification for ID implants and making people submit to the world by means of ingrained dependence on "the world" rather then on God . it is no accident that this is occurring .. And im more amazed at how many christians are buying into by carnal intellectual self justifying reasoning .. God says "believe " and more and more the church says .. "yes BUT" ... time to repent of unbelief .

 

[Alithis]

Going home to heaven is the ultimate healing.

Interesting sentiment .. but is it believed ?

Yes.

then why do we rush as fast as we can to mankind to save our skins ?..thus i ask the question -is it "really" believed

 

[psalms 91]

I think that most have a fear of dying rather than seeing it as the next step inour journey and if saved a blessed event. Sad sure for those left behind but our hope and promise is that we will see them again

 

[Tigger]

then why do we rush as fast as we can to mankind to save our skins ?..thus i ask the question -is it "really" believed

Because death's timing is God's call not ours. As long as we walk this earth we should maintain the gift of health God has given us to fulfill the call on our lives that God has set before us. Remember the scripture where The apostle Paul longs to be with the Lord but Paul concluded that it was better for the others that he stay for now?

 

[Alithis]

I wonder if Jesus or the Apostles ever had the common cold...

bound to have .. and since it is a virus with no known instant cure and can actually kill people.. he recovered also .God is Good .

 

[dogs4thewin]

Because death's timing is God's call not ours. As long as we walk this earth we should maintain the gift of health God has given us to fulfill the call on our lives that God has set before us. Remember the scripture where The apostle Paul longs to be with the Lord but Paul concluded that it was better for the others that he stay for now?

Although, I would hope most adults would have the common sense to know when to start worrying about comfort as opposed to healing.

 

[Alithis]

I think that most have a fear of dying rather than seeing it as the next step inour journey and if saved a blessed event. Sad sure for those left behind but our hope and promise is that we will see them again

the fear of dying is intensely ingrained in us .we hold to this earthen shell with all we have got .. but i think even more so in our day and age. most posting here have likely never "had a common cold ".. what i mean by that is fully endured the full blown effects of the common cold virus on the human body without a single paracetamol pill or other symptom alleviating substance . i tried earlier this year and i could not believe the agony my head went through ..intense sinus pains and screaming pain through the bones in my face so i could not sleep nor rest ..i endured poorly to say the least and it made me realize how much those in need in countries where they simply cannot go to the shop and buy a basic painkiller SUFFER ..they suffer unbelievably from things as seemingly minor to us as a common cold . thus im not opposed to medications where they can ease the suffering of another soul.. but i differentiate between relieving suffering .. and immediate healing . one is a kindness, the other a loving miracle . But in the realms of faith -are we willing to suffer to the point of death to see God glorified in us ...

"For the eyes of the Lord run to and fro throughout the whole earth, to show Himself strong on behalf of those whose heart is loyal to Him. "