For Those Who Have Not Been Healed

[psalms 91]

Word of Faith teaches that healing is our promise from God.

When people do not get Healed often times they are angry at faith being taught for healing.

Some say I have believed but nothing happened.

I find this passage in James interesting:

Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:

[15] And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.

Notice vs 15,it is clear on the prayer of Faith,as well notice it's not the sick persons faith that saves them it is the elders prayer of Faith.

Now if the sick are prayed over the healing is conditional upon those doing the praying.

Hopefully they do not end the prayer with if it be thine will.

The anointing with oil from the elders is one way to be healed,but if your not any better after then find elders with faith.

As I mentioned this passage is unconditional even sin cannot prevail against the prayer of Faith,so seek out a Church that gets results, a Church that has a funeral on a rare occasion.

But if your in a Church that the congregation is just as bad off as the world, there is something wrong healing is not a gamble its a promise from God.

 

[Tigger]

I believe the verses quoted are referencing to both the temporal and if you'll notice to ultimately eternal healing.

So when I say 'thy will be done' it's the ultimate level of faith trusting in God's decision over my temporal healing.

 

[psalms 91]

If it is already Gods will to heal thenI think that can be interpreted as not being sure what His will is

 

[Tigger]

What if He's will is to call you home to heaven?

 

[Ruth]

I believe it is always the creator's will of what will be done and who will be healed. Sometimes it's God's will to bring you home to heaven.

 

[Tigger]

Going home to heaven is the ultimate healing.

 

[SpiritPsalmist]

Word of Faith teaches that healing is our promise from God.

When people do not get Healed often times they are angry at faith being taught for healing.

Some say I have believed but nothing happened.

I find this passage in James interesting:

Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:

[15] And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.

Notice vs 15,it is clear on the prayer of Faith,as well notice it's not the sick persons faith that saves them it is the elders prayer of Faith.

Now if the sick are prayed over the healing is conditional upon those doing the praying.

Hopefully they do not end the prayer with if it be thine will.

The anointing with oil from the elders is one way to be healed,but if your not any better after then find elders with faith.

As I mentioned this passage is unconditional even sin cannot prevail against the prayer of Faith,so seek out a Church that gets results, a Church that has a funeral on a rare occasion.

But if your in a Church that the congregation is just as bad off as the world, there is something wrong healing is not a gamble its a promise from God



Verse 15 also makes reference to "sins that were committed". Quite often (not always) it is sin of some sort that has caused a person to be sick. Such as worry or fear or whatever. There is a book called "A Better Way" where the author talks about the different sicknesses that come as a result of particular sins. It is a sin to worry and the sicknesses that can come due to continued worry and not learning to rest in the Lord are many. So does fear, anger, bitterness, hatred, etc.. Sad to say the list is long. Oft times I think that people do not get healed is because they do not deal with those parts of their life where there is sin. It's not murder, adultery, etc., it's what is going on inside of us, in our hearts.

 

[tango]

Word of Faith teaches that healing is our promise from God.

I believe the promise that God always heals does huge damage to the church.

When people do not get Healed often times they are angry at faith being taught for healing.

Understandably so, if it appears God has not delivered on his promise it's not surprising that people get angry. I'm told by reliable sources that Bethel's style of preaching, that pretty much promises healing, is doing huge amounts of damage across Latin America when people aren't healed.

Some say I have believed but nothing happened.

I find this passage in James interesting:

Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:

[15] And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.

Notice vs 15,it is clear on the prayer of Faith,as well notice it's not the sick persons faith that saves them it is the elders prayer of Faith.

Now if the sick are prayed over the healing is conditional upon those doing the praying.

This seems to be a case of reading something in that isn't there. The prayer of faith shall save the sick. Are you saying that believers will live in perfect health for ever, or merely live in perfect health until we just drop dead without any warning at all?

Hopefully they do not end the prayer with if it be thine will.

The anointing with oil from the elders is one way to be healed,but if your not any better after then find elders with faith.

Or realise that God can use all situations, including sickness.

Since Timothy wasn't healed of his "frequent infirmities" (which is why Paul told him to "take a little wine") we might conclude that we're not going to live a life of perfect health in this life. The lack of sickness, sorrow, pain etc comes in the new heaven and the new earth.

As I mentioned this passage is unconditional even sin cannot prevail against the prayer of Faith,so seek out a Church that gets results, a Church that has a funeral on a rare occasion.

Most churches find their death rate is much the same as anywhere else. The death rate has been holding steady at 100% for some time now.

But if your in a Church that the congregation is just as bad off as the world, there is something wrong healing is not a gamble its a promise from God.

I'd love to know how many churches that teach this stuff actually have permanent perfect health among their congregations. It would seem a pretty easy way to make a lot of money if it were as simple as some make it out to be - the church could put the medical complex out of business overnight. Why go through the stress of hospital treatments and the worries about the costs and whether your insurance will cover it - just go to your local miracle worker and be healed on the spot. I'm sure most people would gladly donate $100 or so for healing - it costs more than that just to see a doctor at all around here.

 

[ImaginaryDay2]

I wonder if Jesus or the Apostles ever had the common cold...

 

[MoreCoffee]

I wonder if Jesus or the Apostles ever had the common cold...

I imagine that the apostles did, with the Lord it is much harder to decide.

 

[king of the unknown]

Word of Faith teaches that healing is our promise from God.

When people do not get Healed often times they are angry at faith being taught for healing.

Some say I have believed but nothing happened.

I find this passage in James interesting:

Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:

[15] And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.

Notice vs 15,it is clear on the prayer of Faith,as well notice it's not the sick persons faith that saves them it is the elders prayer of Faith.

Now if the sick are prayed over the healing is conditional upon those doing the praying.

Hopefully they do not end the prayer with if it be thine will.

The anointing with oil from the elders is one way to be healed,but if your not any better after then find elders with faith.

As I mentioned this passage is unconditional even sin cannot prevail against the prayer of Faith,so seek out a Church that gets results, a Church that has a funeral on a rare occasion.

But if your in a Church that the congregation is just as bad off as the world, there is something wrong healing is not a gamble its a promise from God.

There is two major problems within the church when it comes to healing
the first is fear. Not only are there those that are afraid to try and heal the sick but also people are afraid to ask for healing.

the second is faith. I feel like many people don't understand faith at all. You have to be a certain level of maturity in your relationship with Christ and getting to that point only happens if you learn how to increase your faith.

Of course there is many other problems but these seem like the biggest to me. I believe in miracles. I have seen them for myself. I have thought about the gift of healing myself and I have come to this conclusion. Practice make perfect and if you give up when you fail you will never know if healing is a gift God wants to give to you. We live in the popcorn generation, the idea of waiting seems almost unexceptionable to many people. The apostles prayed for 10 days straight before anything happened. How many of us can say that we spent 10 days straight just in prayer.

 

[tango]

I wonder if Jesus or the Apostles ever had the common cold...

Timothy obviously had stomach issues and "frequent infirmites", given what Paul wrote in 1Ti 5:23.

Paul had the "thorn in his flesh", which God declined to take away from him. There is some dispute over just what that thorn was but either way God told Paul that his power was made perfect in weakness (2Co 12:7-9), so it seems particularly foolish to assume that we will live a life free of everyday trials.

 

[psalms 91]

There is two major problems within the church when it comes to healing
the first is fear. Not only are there those that are afraid to try and heal the sick but also people are afraid to ask for healing.

the second is faith. I feel like many people don't understand faith at all. You have to be a certain level of maturity in your relationship with Christ and getting to that point only happens if you learn how to increase your faith.

Of course there is many other problems but these seem like the biggest to me. I believe in miracles. I have seen them for myself. I have thought about the gift of healing myself and I have come to this conclusion. Practice make perfect and if you give up when you fail you will never know if healing is a gift God wants to give to you. We live in the popcorn generation, the idea of waiting seems almost unexceptionable to many people. The apostles prayed for 10 days straight before anything happened. How many of us can say that we spent 10 days straight just in prayer.

Absolutely right on brother

 

[Hebrews 11]

The text in James is unconditional.

All the promises of God are unconditional.

If you find a fault with the text in James ,you may also find conditions that would subvert your salvation.
Ephesians: 2. 8. For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
James: 5. 15. And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.

The two verses are synonymous in that it requires Faith for salvation and healing same Faith.

Salvation God's greatest gift to mankind ,still requires you believe in the Grace of Christ Jesus.

If you believe in Christ and what he died for,then you need to understand his reasons and finished work.
Isaiah: 53. 5. But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
Matthew: 8. 16. When the even was come, they brought unto him many that were possessed with devils: and he cast out the spirits with his word, and healed all that were sick: 17. That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias the prophet, saying, Himself took our infirmities, and bare our sicknesses.

Can any one simply believe God's Word without inputting their own interpretation?

Does anyone who states if it be his will ever wonder if it be his will for your salvation,or is it his will you suffer in Hell?

 

[Hebrews 11]

For Timothy and his sickness that is exaggerated,we were not there to witness what or why Paul said a little wine for thy stomach.
Has anyone considered that Timothy had a habit of eating something that he knew would cause problems?

Paul's thorn was a problem that Christ said my grace is sufficient.
Paul believed it was that he be humbled.
Grace =UN Merited Favor.

The topic was not brought back in the Word again after Paul received his answer.

So to discredit all the healing verses based on UN founded presumption is nonsense.

 

[ImaginaryDay2]

For Timothy and his sickness that is exaggerated,we were not there to witness what or why Paul said a little wine for thy stomach.
Has anyone considered that Timothy had a habit of eating something that he knew would cause problems?

If that's true, then why not "pray the prayer of faith" and forget the wine?

Paul's thorn was a problem that Christ said my grace is sufficient.
Paul believed it was that he be humbled.
Grace =UN Merited Favor.

The topic was not brought back in the Word again after Paul received his answer.

So to discredit all the healing verses based on UN founded presumption is nonsense.

The "unfounded presumption" is this idea that the problem lies with the sick person who just needs to "try a little harder" and they'll make it.

Perhaps an example closer to home will help. Have you ever had the common cold? Did you pray the prayer of faith for healing? If so, did your cold disappear?
If you did not pray the prayer of faith, why not, since healing is promised to you? I mean, why suffer if all you need to do is call for the Elders and have them anoint you with oil, and you "pray the prayer of faith"?

 

[psalms 91]

For Timothy and his sickness that is exaggerated,we were not there to witness what or why Paul said a little wine for thy stomach.
Has anyone considered that Timothy had a habit of eating something that he knew would cause problems?

Paul's thorn was a problem that Christ said my grace is sufficient.
Paul believed it was that he be humbled.
Grace =UN Merited Favor.

The topic was not brought back in the Word again after Paul received his answer.

So to discredit all the healing verses based on UN founded presumption is nonsense.

Exactly

 

[tango]

For Timothy and his sickness that is exaggerated,we were not there to witness what or why Paul said a little wine for thy stomach.
Has anyone considered that Timothy had a habit of eating something that he knew would cause problems?

I think if it was just eating some bad things Paul would have mentioned his stomach and not his "frequent infirmities". "Frequent infirmities" suggests something more than eating some dodgy oysters once in a while.

Paul's thorn was a problem that Christ said my grace is sufficient.
Paul believed it was that he be humbled.
Grace =UN Merited Favor.

The key thing here is that Paul's thorn was not taken away from him, and he learned to boast in his weakness. Yet we take this verse to mean that we should be healed on demand such that we never have to boast in our weakness - Christ's strength in us apparently isn't good enough for us and we expect everything to be perfect.

The topic was not brought back in the Word again after Paul received his answer.

Why would it be mentioned again? Paul asked for his thorn to be removed, God said no, and that was the end of it.

So to discredit all the healing verses based on UN founded presumption is nonsense.

It's nonsense to assume we will always be healed when significant people in the NT were not healed. What makes us better than Paul, such that our thorns must always be removed when Paul's was not? And if healing is our right, why do we get sick at all? Doesn't it make God look like some kind of bimbling half-wit if we're constantly calling on him to correct the things he could have prevented in the first place?

 

[Hebrews 11]

If that's true, then why not "pray the prayer of faith" and forget the wine?
Because Paul was moved to minister by instruction not mirical.



The "unfounded presumption" is this idea that the problem lies with the sick person who just needs to "try a little harder" and they'll make it.

Perhaps an example closer to home will help. Have you ever had the common cold? Did you pray the prayer of faith for healing? If so, did your cold disappear?
If you did not pray the prayer of faith, why not, since healing is promised to you? I mean, why suffer if all you need to do is call for the Elders and have them anoint you with oil, and you "pray the prayer of faith"?

Yes my last cold was about 2 years ago,it's gone now.

The Word says no weapon formed against you shall prosper,it does not say no weapon will never be formed against you.
2 Corinthians: 4. 16. For which cause we faint not; but though our outward man perish, yet the inward man is renewed day by day. 17. For our light affliction, which is but for a moment, worketh for us a far more exceeding and eternal weight of glory; 18. While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

What is not seen?

Faith.

To the last question of doubt?
You tell me,because we have healing prayer in our Church and we see healing by God on a regular basis.

 

[Hebrews 11]

Well I do not consider God's promises nonsense.

The power of life and death is in your tongue.

Your idea on Paul's thorn is that of your own circular logic.

Are we not the Sons of God?

What makes Paul better than us?

Is God a respecter of persons?

And people wonder why they never receive God's best,it's because they proclaim their unworthy when they are simply unwilling.