Following Prophecy

[Brighten04]

This thread is a study of how prophecy is followed . Started from questions on the blood moon thread for reference.

Hi Brighten04.

Usually the prophecies are to be followed in a very strict manner.
Let me give you an analogy ...
When Princess Diana died in a car crash a number of paparazzis were waiting for her to take some pictures.
In order to elude them she had 2 limos. One was a fake one and the other that she too
The photographers started chasing the fake limo and she went the other way.

It is similar to the prophecies.

The way prophecies get fulfilled is when everything is happening exactly how the Scriptures say and in the exact sequence.
If even one detail is off, it is a fake limo and we should not watch for it.

Can you share with me the exact prophecies that you follow and maybe we both can look at them and see if everything fits exactly as it is written?

Thanks,
Ed

One prophecy I watch is Isaiah 17:1
17 A prophecy against Damascus:

“See, Damascus will no longer be a city
but will become a heap of ruins.

 

[Brighten04]

I guess I should say preterists need not respond. Amen.

 

[psalms 91]

The one I find interesting is Israel will become a nation and a generation shall not pass. Have always wondered what a generation would be. It obviously wasnt 40 years as Israel became a nation in 1948, coulkd it be till all die off of the previousgeneration or could it be 70 some years which is about average now

 

[Hammster]

It could be that dispensationalism is wrong.

 

[Brighten04]

The one I find interesting is Israel will become a nation and a generation shall not pass. Have always wondered what a generation would be. It obviously wasnt 40 years as Israel became a nation in 1948, coulkd it be till all die off of the previous generation or could it be 70 some years which is about average now

I don't know how long a generation is.Only two from the generation that left Egypt with Moses made it to the promised land, and that is Joshua and Caleb according to scripture. We know that generation wandered in the desert 40 years, There are a few Jews who are over 100 years old.Israel will be 70 years old in 3 years. So, who knows?

 

[visionary]

One of the reasons that the scholars of Yeshua's day, the religious leaders, etc were off the mark in recognizing prophecy being fulfilled right before their eyes is because He didn't fulfill it the way that they had it all figured out. We should allow that we are the fallible parties and God will do it His Way. The exactness is His, and our exactness of reckoning is flawed. So therefore, it would behoove us to take everything with a grain of salt, with much prayer and study, and believe that while we may not know everything as He sees it, it is coming to pass in time according to His appointed times. After saying that, I am more convinced that we are living the last hours of earth's history and more and more prophecies are being fulfilled in rapid order, til none of them are left to be fulfilled.

The 70 years generation from 1948 would make 2017 significantly interesting.

 

[Doublemint]

This thread is a study of how prophecy is followed . Started from questions on the blood moon thread for reference.


One prophecy I watch is Isaiah 17:1
17 A prophecy against Damascus:

“See, Damascus will no longer be a city
but will become a heap of ruins.

OK, very good.

So let's look in it's context and make certain that all things revolved around it happened.
If even one thing did not happen it means that a destruction of a city is just a normal historical destruction not associated with a prophecy.
Putin probably had a bad day ... (an unsuccessful attempt at a joke :bolt:
We all know that destructions happen, yet there is only one (of many) historical destructions that is linked to this particular prophecy.
Let's say Damascus was destroyed 4 times, but there is only 1 time we can link it to this prophecy.

Here is the fuller text and let's see if everything fits ...

17 A prophecy against Damascus:
“See, Damascus will no longer be a city
but will become a heap of ruins.
2
The cities of Aroer will be deserted
and left to flocks, which will lie down,
with no one to make them afraid.
3
The fortified city will disappear from Ephraim,
and royal power from Damascus;
the remnant of Aram will be
like the glory of the Israelites,”
declares the Lord Almighty.

So we need to understand what happened to Aroer ... where it currently is ... according to the prophecy it must be deserted and we should see the flocks lie down there with no fear whatsoever (meaning no cars, no people scaring animals off and so on).

The cities of Aroer will be deserted
and left to flocks, which will lie down,
with no one to make them afraid.

How about we try researching this?

I can log on tomorrow and maybe we can make heads or tail out of this piece of the puzzle?

Thanks,
In Christ,
Ed

 

[psalms 91]

One of the reasons that the scholars of Yeshua's day, the religious leaders, etc were off the mark in recognizing prophecy being fulfilled right before their eyes is because He didn't fulfill it the way that they had it all figured out. We should allow that we are the fallible parties and God will do it His Way. The exactness is His, and our exactness of reckoning is flawed. So therefore, it would behoove us to take everything with a grain of salt, with much prayer and study, and believe that while we may not know everything as He sees it, it is coming to pass in time according to His appointed times. After saying that, I am more convinced that we are living the last hours of earth's history and more and more prophecies are being fulfilled in rapid order, til none of them are left to be fulfilled.

The 70 years generation from 1948 would make 2017 significantly interesting.

Yes I think so as well

 

[Lamb]

After saying that, I am more convinced that we are living the last hours of earth's history and more and more prophecies are being fulfilled in rapid order, til none of them are left to be fulfilled.

Pretty much every generation has thought the end was near going back to the New Testament where people became lazy and stopped working (Paul's letter addressed them) because they thought the Lord was coming at any moment anyway so why put forth the effort?

The fact is that we've been living in the end times since Christ's resurrection and He has told us NO ONE will know the hour. There have been wars and rumors of wars, etc...

 

[visionary]

OK, very good.

So let's look in it's context and make certain that all things revolved around it happened.
If even one thing did not happen it means that a destruction of a city is just a normal historical destruction not associated with a prophecy.
Putin probably had a bad day ... (an unsuccessful attempt at a joke :bolt:
We all know that destructions happen, yet there is only one (of many) historical destructions that is linked to this particular prophecy.
Let's say Damascus was destroyed 4 times, but there is only 1 time we can link it to this prophecy.

Here is the fuller text and let's see if everything fits ...

17 A prophecy against Damascus:
“See, Damascus will no longer be a city
but will become a heap of ruins.
2
The cities of Aroer will be deserted
and left to flocks, which will lie down,
with no one to make them afraid.
3
The fortified city will disappear from Ephraim,
and royal power from Damascus;
the remnant of Aram will be
like the glory of the Israelites,”
declares the Lord Almighty.

So we need to understand what happened to Aroer ... where it currently is ... according to the prophecy it must be deserted and we should see the flocks lie down there with no fear whatsoever (meaning no cars, no people scaring animals off and so on).

The cities of Aroer will be deserted
and left to flocks, which will lie down,
with no one to make them afraid.

How about we try researching this?

I can log on tomorrow and maybe we can make heads or tail out of this piece of the puzzle?

Thanks,
In Christ,
Ed

Here is an example of someone seeing that all is not fulfilled therefore says it is not fulfilled until the animals lie down without fear in Damascus. I say we should see what has or is being fulfilled and understand that the rest will come in due time. We are to recognize what is right before our noses and act accordingly.

We should see it like Anna at the Temple, before He has done anything at 8 days old. Or like Peter during His ministry. Because while Thomas recognized it when he was able to put his fingers in the holes in order to believe, it was with disappointment in Thomas for not basing it on faith and held back by doubt. Both Peter and Thomas had approximately the same amount of information and time with Yeshua to make up their mind about their faith in Him, the two took a different amount of time to jump into faith in Him.

Prophecies are going to come to pass. Let us not wait until all the ducks are in a row before we believe or we might miss the big picture until it is too late and we get swept up in the coming scourge.

 

[Doublemint]

Here is an example of someone seeing that all is not fulfilled therefore says it is not fulfilled until the animals lie down without fear in Damascus. I say we should see what has or is being fulfilled and understand that the rest will come in due time. We are to recognize what is right before our noses and act accordingly.

We should see it like Anna at the Temple, before He has done anything at 8 days old. Or like Peter during His ministry. Because while Thomas recognized it when he was able to put his fingers in the holes in order to believe, it was with disappointment in Thomas for not basing it on faith and held back by doubt. Both Peter and Thomas had approximately the same amount of information and time with Yeshua to make up their mind about their faith in Him, the two took a different amount of time to jump into faith in Him.

Prophecies are going to come to pass. Let us not wait until all the ducks are in a row before we believe or we might miss the big picture until it is too late and we get swept up in the coming scourge.

OK. But how can we promote people to be "like Anna in the Temple"? How do we know the person is like Anna in the Temple?
What is the test?
Harold Camping was promoting the end of church age and things like that.
How do we know he was wrong? what is the test?

There are many who claim various things.

Thanks,
Ed

 

[Brighten04]

OK, very good.

So let's look in it's context and make certain that all things revolved around it happened.
If even one thing did not happen it means that a destruction of a city is just a normal historical destruction not associated with a prophecy.
Putin probably had a bad day ... (an unsuccessful attempt at a joke :bolt:
We all know that destructions happen, yet there is only one (of many) historical destructions that is linked to this particular prophecy.
Let's say Damascus was destroyed 4 times, but there is only 1 time we can link it to this prophecy.

Here is the fuller text and let's see if everything fits ...

17 A prophecy against Damascus:
“See, Damascus will no longer be a city
but will become a heap of ruins.
2
The cities of Aroer will be deserted
and left to flocks, which will lie down,
with no one to make them afraid.
3
The fortified city will disappear from Ephraim,
and royal power from Damascus;
the remnant of Aram will be
like the glory of the Israelites,”
declares the Lord Almighty.

So we need to understand what happened to Aroer ... where it currently is ... according to the prophecy it must be deserted and we should see the flocks lie down there with no fear whatsoever (meaning no cars, no people scaring animals off and so on).

The cities of Aroer will be deserted
and left to flocks, which will lie down,
with no one to make them afraid.

How about we try researching this?

I can log on tomorrow and maybe we can make heads or tail out of this piece of the puzzle?

Thanks,
In Christ,
Ed

Aroer is in Jordan(Moab) according to Wikipedia.
Aroer (Moab)
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Aroer (Hebrew: ערוער, עֲרֹעֵר‎) is a Biblical town on the north bank of the River Arnon to the east of the Dead Sea, in present-day Jordan. The town was an ancient Moabite settlement, and is mentioned in the Bible.

I thought it was a coastal city that had a different name today.

More from Wikipedia...

Prophecy

According to a prophecy in the Book of Isaiah, (17:2), Aroer will become either forsaken, forsaken and desolate, or forsaken forever, depending on which manuscript is used to derive the English translation. Its geographical surroundings may be included in this prophecy, as well, as the verse reads "the cities of Aroer."

I wonder if Jordan will get pulled into the destruction coming to Damascus?

 

[Brighten04]

One of the reasons that the scholars of Yeshua's day, the religious leaders, etc were off the mark in recognizing prophecy being fulfilled right before their eyes is because He didn't fulfill it the way that they had it all figured out. We should allow that we are the fallible parties and God will do it His Way. The exactness is His, and our exactness of reckoning is flawed. So therefore, it would behoove us to take everything with a grain of salt, with much prayer and study, and believe that while we may not know everything as He sees it, it is coming to pass in time according to His appointed times. After saying that, I am more convinced that we are living the last hours of earth's history and more and more prophecies are being fulfilled in rapid order, til none of them are left to be fulfilled.

The 70 years generation from 1948 would make 2017 significantly interesting.

2017 will certainly be an interesting year to watch if we get there. Israel's 70th birthday reflects back to the 70 year Babylonian captivity.

 

[Brighten04]

Pretty much every generation has thought the end was near going back to the New Testament where people became lazy and stopped working (Paul's letter addressed them) because they thought the Lord was coming at any moment anyway so why put forth the effort?

The fact is that we've been living in the end times since Christ's resurrection and He has told us NO ONE will know the hour. There have been wars and rumors of wars, etc...

This is very true. But we cannot live as if He is not coming either. Be prepared is what I promote.

 

[Brighten04]

Here is an example of someone seeing that all is not fulfilled therefore says it is not fulfilled until the animals lie down without fear in Damascus. I say we should see what has or is being fulfilled and understand that the rest will come in due time. We are to recognize what is right before our noses and act accordingly.

We should see it like Anna at the Temple, before He has done anything at 8 days old. Or like Peter during His ministry. Because while Thomas recognized it when he was able to put his fingers in the holes in order to believe, it was with disappointment in Thomas for not basing it on faith and held back by doubt. Both Peter and Thomas had approximately the same amount of information and time with Yeshua to make up their mind about their faith in Him, the two took a different amount of time to jump into faith in Him.

Prophecies are going to come to pass. Let us not wait until all the ducks are in a row before we believe or we might miss the big picture until it is too late and we get swept up in the coming scourge.

We should watch with expectancy all things, having His coming on our minds as we watch.

 

[Brighten04]

OK. But how can we promote people to be "like Anna in the Temple"? How do we know the person is like Anna in the Temple?
What is the test?
Harold Camping was promoting the end of church age and things like that.
How do we know he was wrong? what is the test?

There are many who claim various things.


Thanks,
Ed

I agree there should be tests since so many have promoted things in all sincerity that turned out to be wrong. But I think that is why Lord Jesus gives us warning signs to watch for. Like this
Matt.24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.

24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

25 Behold, I have told you before.

26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

So as not to be deceived, we don't believe anyone who sets a date, or anyone who says Jesus id in hiding and will soon reveal himself. So let us be clear about that. But how do we watch? How do we test all things. With the Damascus prophecy, we see things happening there now that looks like prophecy is unfolding. But, Damascus is still a city as of today. Royal power is suppose to disappear. Assad is still King. I have never known our Father to half do anything. So it all has to happen before we can call it fulfilled. I don't know any Annas, or any Simeons for that matter. I am not saying there are none. I just have not seen any. Would I know them if I ran into them?

 

[visionary]

OK. But how can we promote people to be "like Anna in the Temple"? How do we know the person is like Anna in the Temple?
What is the test?
Harold Camping was promoting the end of church age and things like that.
How do we know he was wrong? what is the test?

There are many who claim various things.

Thanks,
Ed

Your personal relationship in Him is the key to answering all these questions and give you confidence in your faith in Him and all that is His. Put your finger on Rev 3:20 as ask for that sit down and get serious face to face talk with Him.

 

[Doublemint]

I agree there should be tests since so many have promoted things in all sincerity that turned out to be wrong. But I think that is why Lord Jesus gives us warning signs to watch for. Like this
Matt.24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.

24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

25 Behold, I have told you before.

26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

So as not to be deceived, we don't believe anyone who sets a date, or anyone who says Jesus id in hiding and will soon reveal himself. So let us be clear about that. But how do we watch? How do we test all things. With the Damascus prophecy, we see things happening there now that looks like prophecy is unfolding. But, Damascus is still a city as of today. Royal power is suppose to disappear. Assad is still King. I have never known our Father to half do anything. So it all has to happen before we can call it fulfilled. I don't know any Annas, or any Simeons for that matter. I am not saying there are none. I just have not seen any. Would I know them if I ran into them?

By their fruit we know them ...

I have 2 tests for that.

1. Everything they have pointed to before had to happen exactly as they said. If only like 60% fulfills, they are no more and no less like the Nostradamus, which is not the right person to listen to.
2. The life of such individual MUST be immaculate. Every prophet of the OT had an immaculate Godly life, including Anna from the Temple.

 

[Doublemint]

Aroer is in Jordan(Moab) according to Wikipedia.
Aroer (Moab)
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Aroer (Hebrew: ערוער, עֲרֹעֵר‎) is a Biblical town on the north bank of the River Arnon to the east of the Dead Sea, in present-day Jordan. The town was an ancient Moabite settlement, and is mentioned in the Bible.

I thought it was a coastal city that had a different name today.

More from Wikipedia...

Prophecy

According to a prophecy in the Book of Isaiah, (17:2), Aroer will become either forsaken, forsaken and desolate, or forsaken forever, depending on which manuscript is used to derive the English translation. Its geographical surroundings may be included in this prophecy, as well, as the verse reads "the cities of Aroer."

I wonder if Jordan will get pulled into the destruction coming to Damascus?

Thank you for that!

Now, there was a discussion in another thread on blood moon we just had.
I am not much of a prophecy guy, so I would ask you or anyone here.

Was the moon turning to blood supposed to happen before or after that area in Jordan supposed to get desolate that even flocks would be kept there with no fear of man?

If after than we should not have been expecting this blood moon to have been the prophecy of Joel.

If before than we should pay attention and see if a certain specific type of destruction would happen there to the exact degree defined in Isaiah and then we should be adding other related prophecies to see if they fit perfectly and only then we can have a well defined and focused set of "binoculars" to watch for the coming.

Watching for Christ coming is a fascinating process, but we should be careful we do not pay attention to other things that resemble the real signs yet are not the real thing.

I wonder if anyone has a chronology of all the signs and events (pieces of info like Isaiah 17) that lead to this great event.

Thanks,
In Christ,
Ed

 

[Doublemint]

Your personal relationship in Him is the key to answering all these questions and give you confidence in your faith in Him and all that is His. Put your finger on Rev 3:20 as ask for that sit down and get serious face to face talk with Him.

I agree.
At the same time we should pay careful attention from the Scriptures we are not paying attention to signs that resemble the real thing, but are just the normal sequence of history, the cycles that tend to repeat themselves.

Thanks,
In Christ,
Ed