brightfame52
Well-known member
- Joined
- Jul 28, 2022
- Messages
- 1,149
- Gender
- Male
- Religious Affiliation
- Christian
- Acceptance of the Trinity & Nicene Creed
- Yes
Yes it is, I gave you scripture for that.
Faith
- Thread starter MoreCoffee
- Start date
brightfame52
Well-known member
- Joined
- Jul 28, 2022
- Messages
- 1,149
- Gender
- Male
- Religious Affiliation
- Christian
- Acceptance of the Trinity & Nicene Creed
- Yes
The Natural Man cannot believe in Christ !
How can the Natural man, he that has never been born again of the Spirit of God, how can such a one believe into Christ, resulting from an Gospel Command 1 Jn 3:23
23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
For scripture states plainly of the Natural Man Rom 8:7-8
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law / Command of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
Does Believing on Christ Please God ? Yes, Look at 1 Jn 3:22
22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep[give heed to] his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
Now how can anyone born only of the flesh, meaning by natural childbirth alone, Jn 3:6
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
How can such a one have a mind set on anything other than things of the flesh ? The Mindset is only consistent with what we are by nature. The Mindset of an Gorilla can only be that of an Gorilla and not a Sparrow, Two different natures ! If we are of the Flesh, the mind set is set on things of the Flesh, which mindset Paul says is enmity against God, and so enmity against Christ !! and that's just the way it is, so the remedy Jesus states Jn 3:6-7
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
Even the mindset man had in the beginning, in Adam, it was enmity against God, evidenced when tempted by the serpent ! 4
How can the Natural man, he that has never been born again of the Spirit of God, how can such a one believe into Christ, resulting from an Gospel Command 1 Jn 3:23
23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
For scripture states plainly of the Natural Man Rom 8:7-8
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law / Command of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
Does Believing on Christ Please God ? Yes, Look at 1 Jn 3:22
22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep[give heed to] his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
Now how can anyone born only of the flesh, meaning by natural childbirth alone, Jn 3:6
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
How can such a one have a mind set on anything other than things of the flesh ? The Mindset is only consistent with what we are by nature. The Mindset of an Gorilla can only be that of an Gorilla and not a Sparrow, Two different natures ! If we are of the Flesh, the mind set is set on things of the Flesh, which mindset Paul says is enmity against God, and so enmity against Christ !! and that's just the way it is, so the remedy Jesus states Jn 3:6-7
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
Even the mindset man had in the beginning, in Adam, it was enmity against God, evidenced when tempted by the serpent ! 4
- Joined
- Sep 1, 2017
- Messages
- 7,760
- Gender
- Male
- Religious Affiliation
- Anglican
- Political Affiliation
- Conservative
- Marital Status
- Married
- Acceptance of the Trinity & Nicene Creed
- Yes
No, it isn't, and you disregarded the rest of Scripture when doing what you did.
You need to realize that your own hunches are not the final answer when it comes to understanding the Bible, and certainly not when you pick a single verse as your "proof."
When you find that your guess, particularly when based on one verse taken out of context, is at odds with the rest of the Christian world, it should be a taken as a wake-up call that further investigation is needed.
Last edited:
brightfame52
Well-known member
- Joined
- Jul 28, 2022
- Messages
- 1,149
- Gender
- Male
- Religious Affiliation
- Christian
- Acceptance of the Trinity & Nicene Creed
- Yes
Yes it is.
brightfame52
Well-known member
- Joined
- Jul 28, 2022
- Messages
- 1,149
- Gender
- Male
- Religious Affiliation
- Christian
- Acceptance of the Trinity & Nicene Creed
- Yes
Faith and Repentance !
Faith in Christ and Repentance towards God Acts 20:21
21 Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.
Faith in Christ and Repentance toward God are acts from those who have a much superior quality of life given them than the life they had from adam, or out of the flesh. They are acts indicative of having Spiritual Life from Christ communicated to them by His Spirit.
Its only an Holy Life that can respond to a Holy Calling 2 Tim 1:9
9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,
With a Holy Faith Jude 1:20
20 But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost,
Such would require a True Holy Man already Created Eph 4:24
24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.
That's the man who responds in Faith to the Holy Calling 2 Tim 1:9
9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began, 4
Faith in Christ and Repentance towards God Acts 20:21
21 Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.
Faith in Christ and Repentance toward God are acts from those who have a much superior quality of life given them than the life they had from adam, or out of the flesh. They are acts indicative of having Spiritual Life from Christ communicated to them by His Spirit.
Its only an Holy Life that can respond to a Holy Calling 2 Tim 1:9
9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,
With a Holy Faith Jude 1:20
20 But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost,
Such would require a True Holy Man already Created Eph 4:24
24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.
That's the man who responds in Faith to the Holy Calling 2 Tim 1:9
9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began, 4
- Joined
- Sep 1, 2017
- Messages
- 7,760
- Gender
- Male
- Religious Affiliation
- Anglican
- Political Affiliation
- Conservative
- Marital Status
- Married
- Acceptance of the Trinity & Nicene Creed
- Yes
Well, you are the specialist in cherry-picking Bible verses, and really now, how likely is it that the "lone wolf" reader who is going purely by his own reading of the English translation is going to be correct while, at the same time, almost every church and student of the Bible has it wrong?
Last edited:
brightfame52
Well-known member
- Joined
- Jul 28, 2022
- Messages
- 1,149
- Gender
- Male
- Religious Affiliation
- Christian
- Acceptance of the Trinity & Nicene Creed
- Yes
Faith in Jesus Christ and Repentance toward God are blessings of the Everlasting Covenant or at times termed The Covenant of Grace, or The New Covenant, which is ordered in all things which pertain to Salvation, which the saintly David acknowledged 2 Sam 23:5
5 Although my house be not so with God; yet he hath made with me an everlasting covenant, ordered in all things, and sure: for this is all my salvation, and all my desire, although he make it not to grow.
That word ordered is the Hebrew word `arak and means:
to arrange, set or put or lay in order, set in array, prepare, order, ordain,
The Triune Covenant God has provided in it [Everlasting Covenant] all that is needed and required for full Salvation to be experienced by all the Elect, from Time to Eternity, which does include believing on Christ Phil 1:29
29 For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;
This could very well and truthfully read "For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ to believe on him ".
When ungodly men teach that Faith in Christ is an condition performed by men to secure their Salvation, they corrupt the Covenant, and Pervert its Blessedness.
That both Faith and Repentance are blessings of the New or Everlasting Covenant is pointed out in these words Ezk 36:26-27
26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
Its then we are made meet to obey the Gospel ordinances [ a decree or command] Gospel Commands of God Acts 17:30
30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now [God] commandeth all men every where to repent:
1 Jn 3:23
23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
Acts 16:31
31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
Believe here is an Gospel imperative, a command ! If this Gospel Imperative is obeyed its because of this Ezk 36:26-27
26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
5 Although my house be not so with God; yet he hath made with me an everlasting covenant, ordered in all things, and sure: for this is all my salvation, and all my desire, although he make it not to grow.
That word ordered is the Hebrew word `arak and means:
to arrange, set or put or lay in order, set in array, prepare, order, ordain,
The Triune Covenant God has provided in it [Everlasting Covenant] all that is needed and required for full Salvation to be experienced by all the Elect, from Time to Eternity, which does include believing on Christ Phil 1:29
29 For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;
This could very well and truthfully read "For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ to believe on him ".
When ungodly men teach that Faith in Christ is an condition performed by men to secure their Salvation, they corrupt the Covenant, and Pervert its Blessedness.
That both Faith and Repentance are blessings of the New or Everlasting Covenant is pointed out in these words Ezk 36:26-27
26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
Its then we are made meet to obey the Gospel ordinances [ a decree or command] Gospel Commands of God Acts 17:30
30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now [God] commandeth all men every where to repent:
1 Jn 3:23
23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
Acts 16:31
31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
Believe here is an Gospel imperative, a command ! If this Gospel Imperative is obeyed its because of this Ezk 36:26-27
26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
- Joined
- Sep 1, 2017
- Messages
- 7,760
- Gender
- Male
- Religious Affiliation
- Anglican
- Political Affiliation
- Conservative
- Marital Status
- Married
- Acceptance of the Trinity & Nicene Creed
- Yes
Whether or not that's true, none of them are among the posters who have been correcting your mistakes here. In other words, you're using a strawman argument.
Messy
Well-known member
- Joined
- Jan 18, 2023
- Messages
- 1,553
- Gender
- Female
- Religious Affiliation
- Christian
- Acceptance of the Trinity & Nicene Creed
- Yes
I have never seen anyone say that. Noone can produce faith. It is a gift from God that you get when you hear the Word, which is God breathing Life in you, cause His Words are Spirit and Life.
He is triune. The Father, Son and Holy Spirit work together and also the blood and the Word and the Spirit.
For there are three that bear witness [a]in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one. 8 And there are three that bear witness on earth: the Spirit, the water, and the blood; and these three agree as one.
brightfame52
Well-known member
- Joined
- Jul 28, 2022
- Messages
- 1,149
- Gender
- Male
- Religious Affiliation
- Christian
- Acceptance of the Trinity & Nicene Creed
- Yes
Before a person can believe in Christ !
Before a person can believe in Christ unto salvation, a new creature he or she must be ! By being a New Creation, we are given by the Spirit both light and Life, by which we receive New Spiritual faculties appropriate to receive Spiritual and Divine Truths. That's why Jesus said that he with good ground received the word and understandeth it Matt 13:23
23 But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.
That's because the New Spiritual faculties of the New Creation.
It is then also we are given spiritual eyes to see Jesus Jn 6:40
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
Heb 2:9
9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
It is then we receive spiritual ears to hear the glad tidings of the Gospel of our Salvation Eph 1:13 We need to be of God to hear God's words as such is the Gospel Jn 8:47
47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.
We cannot be of God without having God's Life in Us by His Spirit ! We are given a spiritual palate to begin to hunger and thirst for the things of God Matt 5:6
Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.
Yes, even the word of righteousness Heb 5:13
For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.
Without these things from a New Life, and are remaining natural and in the flesh, then we are war and enmity with Christ and the hings of God Rom 8:7-8
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
1 Cor 2:14
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
Before a person can believe in Christ unto salvation, a new creature he or she must be ! By being a New Creation, we are given by the Spirit both light and Life, by which we receive New Spiritual faculties appropriate to receive Spiritual and Divine Truths. That's why Jesus said that he with good ground received the word and understandeth it Matt 13:23
23 But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.
That's because the New Spiritual faculties of the New Creation.
It is then also we are given spiritual eyes to see Jesus Jn 6:40
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
Heb 2:9
9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
It is then we receive spiritual ears to hear the glad tidings of the Gospel of our Salvation Eph 1:13 We need to be of God to hear God's words as such is the Gospel Jn 8:47
47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.
We cannot be of God without having God's Life in Us by His Spirit ! We are given a spiritual palate to begin to hunger and thirst for the things of God Matt 5:6
Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.
Yes, even the word of righteousness Heb 5:13
For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.
Without these things from a New Life, and are remaining natural and in the flesh, then we are war and enmity with Christ and the hings of God Rom 8:7-8
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
1 Cor 2:14
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
- Joined
- Sep 1, 2017
- Messages
- 7,760
- Gender
- Male
- Religious Affiliation
- Anglican
- Political Affiliation
- Conservative
- Marital Status
- Married
- Acceptance of the Trinity & Nicene Creed
- Yes
The verse is not about receiving saving Faith, but about discerning the gifts of the Holy Ghost, which is something that follows the reception of Faith.
Read the entire passage (verses 1-16 ) and you can see it.
brightfame52
Well-known member
- Joined
- Jul 28, 2022
- Messages
- 1,149
- Gender
- Male
- Religious Affiliation
- Christian
- Acceptance of the Trinity & Nicene Creed
- Yes
Its saying the Natural man cant receive/understand Gospel Truth.
brightfame52
Well-known member
- Joined
- Jul 28, 2022
- Messages
- 1,149
- Gender
- Male
- Religious Affiliation
- Christian
- Acceptance of the Trinity & Nicene Creed
- Yes
Nah, I dont know what the heck you talking about.
brightfame52
Well-known member
- Joined
- Jul 28, 2022
- Messages
- 1,149
- Gender
- Male
- Religious Affiliation
- Christian
- Acceptance of the Trinity & Nicene Creed
- Yes
Ordained to Eternal Life to believe !
Those who believe the Truth of God, the Gospel when sent to them in the providence of God, its because they were or had been ordained to Eternal Life. Acts 13:48
48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.
48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they rejoiced and glorified (praised and gave thanks for) the Word of God; and as many as were destined (appointed and ordained) to eternal life believed (adhered to, trusted in, and relied on Jesus as the Christ and their Savior).AMP
48 This message made the Gentiles glad, and they praised what they had heard about the Lord. Everyone who had been chosen for eternal life then put their faith in the Lord.CEV
The word chosen is appropriate in that its meaning is one selected or appointed or chosen for an office. All whom Christ died for had been chosen for an spiritual priesthood. Christ by His Blood converts those He died for into a royal priesthood. Rev 1:5-6
5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,
6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
Heb 7:5
And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham:
1 Pet 2:5
Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.
But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;
Being chosen to this royal priesthood we were ordained to Eternal Life and to believe.
Each chosen member of this priesthood, being such they are beforehand prepared by the Holy Spirit, which is also called by Paul 2 Thess 3:13
13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
Those who were prearranged to Eternal Life in the Eternal Counsels of God, are in time set apart by a work of the Holy Spirit, to believe the Truth of the Gospel ! 4
Those who believe the Truth of God, the Gospel when sent to them in the providence of God, its because they were or had been ordained to Eternal Life. Acts 13:48
48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.
48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they rejoiced and glorified (praised and gave thanks for) the Word of God; and as many as were destined (appointed and ordained) to eternal life believed (adhered to, trusted in, and relied on Jesus as the Christ and their Savior).AMP
48 This message made the Gentiles glad, and they praised what they had heard about the Lord. Everyone who had been chosen for eternal life then put their faith in the Lord.CEV
The word chosen is appropriate in that its meaning is one selected or appointed or chosen for an office. All whom Christ died for had been chosen for an spiritual priesthood. Christ by His Blood converts those He died for into a royal priesthood. Rev 1:5-6
5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,
6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
Heb 7:5
And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham:
1 Pet 2:5
Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.
But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;
Being chosen to this royal priesthood we were ordained to Eternal Life and to believe.
Each chosen member of this priesthood, being such they are beforehand prepared by the Holy Spirit, which is also called by Paul 2 Thess 3:13
13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
Those who were prearranged to Eternal Life in the Eternal Counsels of God, are in time set apart by a work of the Holy Spirit, to believe the Truth of the Gospel ! 4
brightfame52
Well-known member
- Joined
- Jul 28, 2022
- Messages
- 1,149
- Gender
- Male
- Religious Affiliation
- Christian
- Acceptance of the Trinity & Nicene Creed
- Yes
Faith cometh by hearing of the Word of God!
Rom 10:17
17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
Now a great many appeal to this, but its doubted that its really understood by them. Faith comes by Hearing the Word of God or the Word of Christ, or the Word of Truth. Now understand, everything we hear from preachers today is not the Word of God, or Truth or of Christ, and therefore our believing is not True Faith, because True Faith acknowledges the Truth, and is persuaded of the Truth Titus 1:1
Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness;
That word acknowledging is the greek word epignósis:
knowledge of a particular point (directed towards a particular object); perception, discernment, recognition, intuition.
Its a recognition of the Truth or a discernment of it. Remember Paul says this of the Gospel Truth 1 Cor 2:14
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned or recognized.
Now let me be more clear, if we have embraced or believed a supposed gospel message that states that Christ died for everyone sins in the World without exception, or that God Loves all people without exception, then quite simply we have not heard and believed the Word of God, or of Truth or of Christ, so consequently that's not the Faith written of in Rom 10:17. Faith does not cometh by hearing the word of men. That Christ died for all without exception or God Loved every human being, those things are not the Word of God. So that's not the Faith of God's Elect that cometh by Hearing.
Rom 10:17
17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
Now a great many appeal to this, but its doubted that its really understood by them. Faith comes by Hearing the Word of God or the Word of Christ, or the Word of Truth. Now understand, everything we hear from preachers today is not the Word of God, or Truth or of Christ, and therefore our believing is not True Faith, because True Faith acknowledges the Truth, and is persuaded of the Truth Titus 1:1
Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness;
That word acknowledging is the greek word epignósis:
knowledge of a particular point (directed towards a particular object); perception, discernment, recognition, intuition.
Its a recognition of the Truth or a discernment of it. Remember Paul says this of the Gospel Truth 1 Cor 2:14
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned or recognized.
Now let me be more clear, if we have embraced or believed a supposed gospel message that states that Christ died for everyone sins in the World without exception, or that God Loves all people without exception, then quite simply we have not heard and believed the Word of God, or of Truth or of Christ, so consequently that's not the Faith written of in Rom 10:17. Faith does not cometh by hearing the word of men. That Christ died for all without exception or God Loved every human being, those things are not the Word of God. So that's not the Faith of God's Elect that cometh by Hearing.
- Joined
- Sep 1, 2017
- Messages
- 7,760
- Gender
- Male
- Religious Affiliation
- Anglican
- Political Affiliation
- Conservative
- Marital Status
- Married
- Acceptance of the Trinity & Nicene Creed
- Yes
That's quite wrong and not in keeping with the meaning of the Bible verse that you started your post with.
FAITH is what cometh...Not theological expertise on every possible aspect of God's doings.
You hold to a strange, unBiblical, view of justification, etc., but I nevertheless admit that you have FAITH in Christ as your Lord and Savior. You're just misinformed about some other issues that the Bible treats.
And by the same token, the great majority of Christians, despite being members of a wide range of denominations, do understand that FAITH--not something else--is what "cometh by hearing." They are genuine followers of Christ. In fact, some of the humblest of them are his greatest disciples.
.
.
Last edited: