USA Dump Trump

[Josiah]

I fear that if Trump doesn't get the nomination, he'll claim he actually did - and run, thus splitting the Conservative vote. And absolutely insuring that Biden or Newsom or Harris will be our next President. But Trump will insist he actually won.



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[Albion]

I fear that if Trump doesn't get the nomination, he'll claim he actually did - and run, thus splitting the Conservative vote. And absolutely insuring that Biden or Newsom or Harris will be our next President. But Trump will insist he actually won.

I would hope that wouldn't happen. But then again, I had hoped his announcement yesterday would not be of him having decided to run in 2024.

At the same time, the voting "irregularities" that cost Trump the election in 2020 are still with us in the states where the Democrats were able to keep in force such innovations as drop boxes, absentee voting by people who are perfectly able to go to the polls, vote harvesting, accepting as valid thousands of votes received for days and days after Election Day, so...

We can appreciate that to him and his diehard supporters, it's a matter of not giving up in the face of a serious injustice. Plus, there seems to be no other Republican who commands such support from ordinary Republican voters as he does.

That being the case, it's hard to make the argument that he would be helping the Party by stepping aside for the kind of halfhearted standard-bearer of the sort that the Party nominated in 2012, 2008, and 1996 who then went down in flames.

 

[Albion]

Too many people have hate in their hearts for this man, even though their financial statuses were better under his Presidency. He hurt their feelings so now he can't be President ever again.

I agree with the things you said Josiah. We need a new Presidential candidate that all Republicans would want in office, as well as the Independents.

During this mid-term vote, a lot of my Republican friends didn't vote for Republicans and are moving away toward Independents and Libertarians. We're losing important votes.

He can rightly point to many successes during the Trump presidency, and they stand in stark contrast to the horrible failures of the current administration. So it's not amazing that he retains much of his popularity. Everybody seems to agree that people either love him or hate him, but that may be better than the public's reaction to most of the other prospective candidates for president in 2024 who simply produce yawns. And I'm referring to both parties there.

I suspect that everything is moving towards the likelihood that this will moderate. Trump is gradually losing support among Republicans, perhaps in large part because "a new face" is always appealing in politics. DeSantis has the candor and fighting spirit that appeals to people, but he also has a record of political success prior to any seeking of the presidency, so he could well be that person. If so, the controversy will resolve itself. I cannot see anyone else who's positioned to do it.

And one last thing--Trump has declared, but that doesn't mean he will go through with it. There could be a number of reasons for him to make his declaration.