Dont buy the LGBTQ mainstream lie :)

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That's an awful lot of words to avoid answering the question of do you form your views from the Bible ahead of everything else.

Unless you're trying to say something to the effect of "No, I use Catholic tradition and opinion instead".

At least that is how I understand your answer, you can correct me If you meant it to be understood differently.
I can see from your reply that you are not ready to discuss this matter without projecting erroneous views onto me.
 

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I am wondering if you read what is in my replies.
I read every word of every reply. What I am understanding is what you are communicating to me according to the way it is worded and my understanding of the use of language.

Maybe you could try a simpler and more direct wording for an answer if you want me to understand it differently?
 

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I can see from your reply that you are not ready to discuss this matter without projecting erroneous views onto me.
Well, in that case maybe we should leave it at this, I feel I have done my duty as the Lord moved me in saying what I have said, the rest is up to you.

May your day go well and God work his will in your life.
 

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I have read it. Now tell me where what you claim is written.

There is no verse in the Bible—or in most major religious scriptures—that explicitly uses the modern term “transgender” or directly condemns transgender people. Interpretations vary widely depending on religious tradition, denomination, and individual belief.

Some people point to verses about gender roles or creation, such as Genesis 1:27 (“male and female he created them”), to argue for a binary view of gender. Others cite Deuteronomy 22:5, which says, “A woman shall not wear a man’s garment, nor shall a man put on a woman's cloak,” as a reference to cross-dressing. However, many theologians and scholars caution against applying ancient cultural norms to modern understandings of gender identity.

On the other hand, many verses emphasize love, dignity, and the inherent worth of every person. For example:
  • “There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.” — Galatians 3:28
  • “Love your neighbor as yourself.” — Mark 12:31
  • “I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made.” — Psalm 139:14

Yes there is. How about something from the new testament?

Romans 1:25-27
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet..../KJV

The term transgender wasn't being used back then. They just called them sodomites. Now if the Shakespearian language of the KJV isn't clear enough for you, then let's look at the same passage from a more modern translation of the Bible.

Romans 1:25-27
25 They traded the truth about God for a lie. So they worshiped and served the things God created instead of the Creator himself, who is worthy of eternal praise! Amen.
26 That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other.
27 And the men, instead of having normal sexual relations with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men, and as a result of this sin, they suffered within themselves the penalty they deserved..../NLT

So this passage does cover Transgenders also. If a (so-called) trans woman starts thinking that she is a man then she goes out and has sex with other women.
Trans men who pretend that they are women do go and have sex with other men.

Transformers are not in some special category of ok with God! There, you have your verse that you asked for now!
 

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according to the way it is worded and my understanding of the use of language.
You could look up the words I use, there are many online sources for accurate definitions, and if you think I have a Catholic slant then you can check Catholic sources for definitions and see for yourself.
 

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The term transgender wasn't being used back then. They just called them sodomites.
Do you know what transgender means?

In Catholic teaching, the term transgender is not defined in the same way as it might be in secular or psychological contexts. Instead, the Church approaches the topic through its theological understanding of the human person.

According to Catholic doctrine, each person is created by God as either male or female, and this biological sex is considered an essential part of one’s identity. The Catechism of the Catholic Church states:

“Everyone, man and woman, should acknowledge and accept his sexual identity” (CCC 2333).

The Church does not recognize a change in gender identity that contradicts one’s biological sex. It views attempts to alter or reject one’s biological sex—such as through surgery or hormone therapy—as inconsistent with the truth of the human person as created by God.

That said, the Church also emphasises the dignity of every human being, including those who experience gender dysphoria or identify as transgender. Catholics are called to treat all people with compassion, respect, and sensitivity, even while upholding Church teachings on human sexuality.
 

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Do you know what transgender means?

Sure I do, it means Sodomites. The Gay people. But then one teenager in a locker room with the guys made a very poor joke one time, and said, hey what if I said I was girl and I identify as one, and start wearing lipstick, then they'd have to let me into the girls locker room! Now that particular gay boy really seen that he wanted to be gay, but he didn't like it that they have not been accepted, and he also had heard that saying he was born that way works on some people, so he said that too. But at the end of the day, he was just a gay kid, and it invited the evil spirits in and the next thing you know, a zilions Transformers are running around crying about we're not gay, we're transformers! Love us and accept us!

Being gay is an abomination to God, and an insult to the women that He created. Their just, modern day Sodomites with a new twist to being gay.

They can take up the street with them.
In Catholic teaching, the term transgender is not defined in the same way as it might be in secular or psychological contexts. Instead, the Church approaches the topic through its theological understanding of the human person.

SO? I'm not Catholic.

According to Catholic doctrine, each person is created by God as either male or female, and this biological sex is considered an essential part of one’s identity.

I agree with this part. ANNND! God made it wonderfully easy to be able to tell if someone is actually a man or a woman. All you have to do is lift the tail of the puppy and look at which type pf plumbing they have. Simple enough.

The Church does not recognize a change in gender identity that contradicts one’s biological sex. It views attempts to alter or reject one’s biological sex—such as through surgery or hormone therapy—as inconsistent with the truth of the human person as created by God.

Good. In fact when a person dies and the body deteriorates and all that is left is bones now, any bone in that skeleton will tell you what the person was at birth (before they learned how to lie) so a trans gay person could have died 1000 years ago and a quick look at the bones, yep, this was a man (or whatever).

That said, the Church also emphasises the dignity of every human being, including those who experience gender dysphoria or identify as transgender. Catholics are called to treat all people with compassion, respect, and sensitivity, even while upholding Church teachings on human sexuality.

Oh, don't try to word salad me and confuse the issue. Gay people have no dignity already when they turned gay. Be compassionate to them? Love them as a Christian? Accept them? Ha! That wouldn't be having compassion on them or loving them.

I love gay people. They are victims and are oppressed by evil demons. How do you love a gay person without accepting them as gay and ok? Easy, you love them by being strong enough to speak the truth to them and say, Watch out Brother, it's a Trap!

If they are seeking the Lord and deliverance from being gay and are repentant of it, I would welcome them in and speak with them. If they want to remain gay and feel accepted, no they can't use my cell phone, can't step in for a cup of water...they can leave, right now.

Truth. Give them dignity?! Lol. Why are you sticking up for gay people? Are you gay?
 

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Because Jesus does.

He does? I didn't know that, brother. Is that in the Beatitudes? (Sermon on the Mount)...Or, what is the scripture for it, I'd like to read it.
 

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Because Jesus does.

I don't mean to put you on the spot brother by asking for the scripture for what you say, but we know very well don't we, that the sciptures are from the book of truth. We use them sort of like a judge to us, right?

Ok so we disagreed at least at first so what do we do? We must see what the scriptures say about it and that wll decide, will it not?

Hebrews 4:12
12 For the word of God is alive and powerful. It is sharper than the sharpest two-edged sword, cutting between soul and spirit, between joint and marrow. It exposes our innermost thoughts and desires..../NLT

So, yes. I need a scripture for what you said! That will settle it quickly!
 
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