Dont buy the LGBTQ mainstream lie :)

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Why do you worry so much about LGBTIQ+ people? Is this politics? It isn't religion, God says very little about Gay people and almost nothing about Lesbians, and as far as I know absolutely nothing about transgendered people.

 

[Frankj]

Why do you worry so much about LGBTIQ+ people? Is this politics? It isn't religion, God says very little about Gay people and almost nothing about Lesbians, and as far as I know absolutely nothing about transgendered people.

Perhaps a Bible study would be of some benefit.

But that aside, what do you view the role of a Christian and Christianity itself in the world to be?

 

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Perhaps a Bible study would be of some benefit.

Where does holy scripture speak of transgendered people?

 

[Frankj]

Where does holy scripture speak of transgendered people?

You'll find your answer in Deuteronomy, if you're actually interested you will at least read that book, if not study it, and if you are not ........

 

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You'll find your answer in Deuteronomy, if you're actually interested you will at least read that book, if not study it, and if you are not ........

I have read it. Now tell me where what you claim is written.

There is no verse in the Bible—or in most major religious scriptures—that explicitly uses the modern term “transgender” or directly condemns transgender people. Interpretations vary widely depending on religious tradition, denomination, and individual belief.

Some people point to verses about gender roles or creation, such as Genesis 1:27 (“male and female he created them”), to argue for a binary view of gender. Others cite Deuteronomy 22:5, which says, “A woman shall not wear a man’s garment, nor shall a man put on a woman's cloak,” as a reference to cross-dressing. However, many theologians and scholars caution against applying ancient cultural norms to modern understandings of gender identity.

On the other hand, many verses emphasize love, dignity, and the inherent worth of every person. For example:

• “There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.” — Galatians 3:28
• “Love your neighbor as yourself.” — Mark 12:31
• “I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made.” — Psalm 139:14

 

[Frankj]

I have read it. Now tell me where what you claim is written.

Well, what did you think "
The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God.
" meant when you read it?

There is no verse in the Bible—or in most major religious scriptures—that explicitly uses the modern term “transgender” or directly condemns transgender people. Interpretations vary widely depending on religious tradition, denomination, and individual belief.

There is no word in the original Bible texts that is written in English either, does that mean that the Bible doesn't apply to English speaking peoples?

FWIW, it's easy to see what you want to see instead of what is clearly written interpreting yourself right into eternal damnation in the process. This is specifically warned against in the Bible, and again, perhaps a serious Bible study would be of some help in understanding this.

But it isn't my purpose to convince you of anything, as a watchman on a wall is only to sound the warning and let those to whom it is sounded do as they will as a result, bearing no responsibility for their consequences afterward.

 

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"The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God." meant when you read it?

It meant do not be a transvestite. What has that to do with transgendered?

 

[Frankj]

Why do you worry so much about LGBTIQ+ people? Is this politics? It isn't religion, God says very little about Gay people and almost nothing about Lesbians, and as far as I know absolutely nothing about transgendered people.

And your dentition of the difference?

BTW, again I ask: What is your view of the role of the Christian and Christianity in the world?

 

[MoreCoffee]

There is no word in the original Bible texts that is written in English either, does that mean that the Bible doesn't apply to English speaking peoples?

FWIW, it's easy to see what you want to see instead of what is clearly written interpreting yourself right into eternal damnation in the process. This is specifically warned against in the Bible, and again, perhaps a serious Bible study would be of some help in understanding this.

But it isn't my purpose to convince you of anything, as a watchman on a wall is only to sound the warning and let those to whom it is sounded do as they will as a result, bearing no responsibility for their consequences afterward.

Well, I thought your view was driven by politics, which seems to be confirmed by your reply.

While many Evangelical leaders frame their opposition to transgender rights as rooted in biblical principles, research suggests that political and cultural dynamics play a significant role in shaping these views. Historically, white Evangelicals in the U.S. have mobilized around issues like abortion, same-sex marriage, and now transgender rights as part of broader efforts to influence public policy and preserve a particular vision of social order.

Some scholars argue that this opposition is less about specific biblical texts—since the Bible doesn’t directly address transgender identity—and more about defending traditional gender norms and asserting moral authority in the public square. For example, the rise of anti-trans legislation in dozens of U.S. states has coincided with Evangelical political activism aimed at rallying support and reasserting cultural influence.

At the same time, there are Evangelical voices calling for a more compassionate and nuanced approach. Leaders like Peter Lynas of the Evangelical Alliance emphasize the need for pastoral care and warn against “strong opinions and easy answers” when it comes to gender identity.

So, while biblical interpretation is certainly part of the conversation, the intensity and visibility of Evangelical opposition to transgender rights in the U.S. today appear to be deeply intertwined with political strategy, cultural anxiety, and identity politics.

 

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I ask: What is your view of the role of the Christian and Christianity in the world?

A Catholic view. Have you read any of the Catholic Church's statements on Social teaching?

 

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And your dentition of the difference?

Here's definition from online: Transgender refers to a person whose gender identity does not align with the sex they were assigned at birth. For example, someone assigned male at birth who identifies as a woman is a transgender woman. Likewise, someone assigned female at birth who identifies as a man is a transgender man. Some transgender people identify outside the traditional categories of male and female and may use terms like nonbinary or genderqueer.

The term "transvestite" refers to a person who wears clothing traditionally associated with a different gender. Historically, it was used to describe individuals—often men—who dressed in what was considered "women's clothing" for personal expression, performance, or other reasons. Importantly, this term is not about gender identity or sexual orientation; many people who cross-dress identify with the gender they were assigned at birth

 

[Frankj]

A Catholic view. Have you read any of the Catholic Church's statements on Social teaching?

No, I don't read Catholic literature because I'm not Catholic. My mothers side of the family was Catholic but I was raised Lutheran and am now non denominational.

But what role do you play in the world as a Catholic, I ask since you talk about Catholic roles instead of Christian ones.

 

[Frankj]

Here's definition from online: Transgender refers to a person whose gender identity does not align with the sex they were assigned at birth. For example, someone assigned male at birth who identifies as a woman is a transgender woman. Likewise, someone assigned female at birth who identifies as a man is a transgender man. Some transgender people identify outside the traditional categories of male and female and may use terms like nonbinary or genderqueer.

The term "transvestite" refers to a person who wears clothing traditionally associated with a different gender. Historically, it was used to describe individuals—often men—who dressed in what was considered "women's clothing" for personal expression, performance, or other reasons. Importantly, this term is not about gender identity or sexual orientation; many people who cross-dress identify with the gender they were assigned at birth

So being a Transgender does not involve trying to look and act like a member of the opposite sex? A Transgender still behaves like a male of female as he or she was born?

That's something that is an abomination according to the Bible, if you disagree I would suggest you take it up with the author since I have no authority to change it.

 

[Frankj]

Well, I thought your view was driven by politics, which seems to be confirmed by your reply.

Well, it would seem that yours are politically oriented more than mine, I really don't fit my views into politics but try to align them with the Bible and let them fall into politics wherever they may as a result.

Do you also look to the Bible to form your views ahead of anything else (Consider the first commandment here, and whether it really means what it says)?

 

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No, I don't read Catholic literature because I'm not Catholic. My mothers side of the family was Catholic but I was raised Lutheran and am now non denominational.

But what role do you play in the world as a Catholic, I ask since you talk about Catholic roles instead of Christian ones.

A short answer is I play as much of a role as I can consistent with the Church's social teaching.

 

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So being a Transgender does not involve trying to look and act like a member of the opposite sex? A Transgender still behaves like a male of female as he or she was born?

That's something that is an abomination according to the Bible, if you disagree I would suggest you take it up with the author since I have no authority to change it.

Is your first line a typo, did you mean cross-dresser?

 

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Do you also look to the Bible to form your views ahead of anything else (Consider the first commandment here, and whether it really means what it says)?

My bible has 73 books in it and was formed as a canonical source of authority in the fourth century AD, and dogmatically defined as 73 books in the fifteenth century and again in the seventeenth century. It formed my Church's theology but was not alone in doing so. Church tradition as presented in the early Church Fathers and in Church practises played and continue to play a fundamental role in forming theology. There is also the living presence of the Holy Spirit and in her people as well as her bishops playing a role of continuous theological formation that is called by some "the development of doctrine" which means that doctrine develops as the need to express it more and more clearly draws it into greater clarity as new issues arise. This is the Catholic way of approaching holy scripture and doctrine. It is my way of approaching doctrine.

 

[Frankj]

Is your first line a typo, did you mean cross-dresser?

Bot a typo, do you ever answer questions without diverting from their clear meaning?

 

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Bot a typo, do you ever answer questions without diverting from their clear meaning?

I am wondering if you read what is in my replies.

 

[Frankj]

My bible has 73 books in it and was formed as a canonical source of authority in the fourth century AD, and dogmatically defined as 73 books in the fifteenth century and again in the seventeenth century. It formed my Church's theology but was not alone in doing so. Church tradition as presented in the early Church Fathers and in Church practises played and continue to play a fundamental role in forming theology. There is also the living presence of the Holy Spirit and in her people as well as her bishops playing a role of continuous theological formation that is called by some "the development of doctrine" which means that doctrine develops as the need to express it more and more clearly draws it into greater clarity as new issues arise. This is the Catholic way of approaching holy scripture and doctrine. It is my way of approaching doctrine.

That's an awful lot of words to avoid answering the question of do you form your views from the Bible ahead of everything else.

Unless you're trying to say something to the effect of "No, I use Catholic tradition and opinion instead".

At least that is how I understand your answer, you can correct me If you meant it to be understood differently.