Do you wear a cross or a crucifix?

[Lamb]

Do you wear a cross or do you prefer to wear a crucifix?

 

[Albion]

I feel about the same, either way, when it comes to the meaning of those two, but when it comes to "wearing" one or the other, I prefer to wear the cross.

 

[Forgiven1]

Crucifix

 

[Josiah]

Crucifix, when I do wear one (which is rare these days)



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[Lamb]

I have a cross and it's really getting old looking. Maybe that's the point? An ugly cross?

 

[zecryphon_nomdiv]

Do you wear a cross or do you prefer to wear a crucifix?

Crucifix. It's a more visual reminder of the price Christ paid for my sins.

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[Faith]

Do you wear a cross or do you prefer to wear a crucifix?

Right now I’m wearing a cross.

 

[Albion]

Crucifix. It's a more visual reminder of the price Christ paid for my sins.

That's what's usually said, but to the average person who sees it being worn by someone else the crucifix more often conveys the idea that the wearer is making a statement about his membership in one of a certain group of denominations.

The cross, on the other hand, makes a much broader statement, not the least of which is that the wearer isn't afraid to stand for everything Christian in this increasingly secular society and for freedom of religion itself.

 

[Josiah]

The cross, on the other hand, makes a much broader statement, not the least of which is that the wearer isn't afraid to stand for everything Christian in this increasingly secular society and freedom of religion itself.

Unfortunately, I think for SOME, it's just a piece of jewelry and doesn't mean a thing.



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[zecryphon_nomdiv]

That's what's usually said, but to the average person who sees it being worn by someone else the crucifix more often conveys the idea that the wearer is making a statement about his membership in one of a certain group of denominations.

The cross, on the other hand, makes a much broader statement, not the least of which is that the wearer isn't afraid to stand for everything Christian in this increasingly secular society and for freedom of religion itself.

Then that person is grossly misinformed. The crucifix, not just for Roman Catholics anymore. There is only one cross that matters, the one Jesus died upon.

Any Christian who won't display that is bending to the secular world by being like them. A lot of people wear the cross as jewelry, not because they're Christian. It's a fashion statement. If you're declaring your faith with jewelry,there is no substitute for the crucifix.

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[Josiah]

Then that person is grossly misinformed. The crucifix, not just for Roman Catholics anymore. There is only one cross that matters, the one Jesus died upon.

As I understand it, the Crucifix was NEVER just for Roman Catholics.

Indeed, from ancient times, BOTH the "empty cross" and "Crucifix" were used.... the "empty" one more on building exteriors, but both used. By Catholics, Orthodox, and Protestants.

SADLY, early on in US history, this became an anti-Catholic country. Anti-Catholicism became part of American culture and American Protestantism, and yes it was primarily an American thing. Here Protestants increasingly wanted to not "appear" Catholic. This infected even Lutherans (although, to their credit, not so much Anglicans/Episcopalians). American Protestantism was simply Anti-Catholic. .

FORTUNATELY, this dark side of American Protestantism is in decline. Protestants are more apt to embrace the Church Year, more open to clerical garb, more apt to celebrate Christmas and Easter, frequent Communion, and yes the use of the Crucifix. I doubt this is because of some friendlier feelings toward Catholic theology but a decline in the silly idea that if you have something in common with Catholicism you are thus Catholic (and perhaps Satanic). Not everything in Catholicism is bad just because it's found there. American Protestantism is simply looking more as it always has in Europe.



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[Albion]

Then that person is grossly misinformed.

Could be. After all, we don't know what the reason may be for any stranger who's passing by to be wearing either a cross or a crucifix. You and others may guess that it means that person is a Roman Catholic, and the next person may assume that it's just an attractive adornment, as Josiah pointed out. Or something else. The observer simply does not know what the answer is.

However, the most common interpretation is that the person is a member of one of the several Christian denominations that incline towards the use of a crucifix over some version of a cross minus corpus.

Any Christian who won't display that is bending to the secular world by being like them.

"Won't display??"
"Is bending to ____??"

LOL. This isn't about anyone being forced to wear either a crucifix or a cross.

 

[zecryphon_nomdiv]

Could be. After all, we don't know what the reason may be for any stranger who's passing by to be wearing either a cross or a crucifix. You and others may guess that it means that person is a Roman Catholic, and the next person may assume that it's just an attractive adornment, as Josiah pointed out. Or something else. The observer simply does not know what the answer is.

However, the most common interpretation is that the person is a member of one of the several Christian denominations that incline towards the use of a crucifix over some version of a cross minus corpus.


"Won't display??"
"Is bending to ____??"

LOL. This isn't about anyone being forced to wear either a crucifix or a cross.

I didn't say they were being forced. So I'll forgive your misunderstanding there, and move on. You make the choice to wear the bare cross of your own free will. Not only are you going along with the secular world, you are most likely doing so because that's too Catholic.

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[Albion]

I didn't say they were being forced.

Pretty close to it. Look at what you wrote (emphasis mine)--

Any Christian who won't display that is bending to the secular world by being like them.

That statement is suggesting that the person who's making his decision on crucifix vs. cross is yielding to some pressure from other elements in society and not simply making his own free choice for any of a number of possible reasons. As theories go, yours can't be taken seriously.

 

[zecryphon_nomdiv]

That statement wasn't even close to saying people are being forced to do wear a bare cross. It was an expansion upon what you said in an earlier post that touched on intention VS. perception.

There's a reason behind what you do and there's a reaction to what you have chosen to do. The bare cross is a fashion statement as I've said and as Josiah has said. It's worn by people with no religious affiliation, to them it just looks good.

You're assuming that everyone who sees your bare cross will know you're a Christian and that's just not the case. Now, when they see a crucifix, they may not know which denomination of Christian I am, but they know I'm a Christian. There is no wondering on their part.

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[Albion]

There's a reason behind what you do and there's a reaction to what you have chosen to do. The bare cross is a fashion statement as I've said and as Josiah has said. It's worn by people with no religious affiliation, to them it just looks good.

You're assuming that everyone who sees your bare cross will know you're a Christian and that's just not the case. Now, when they see a crucifix, they may not know which denomination of Christian I am, but they know I'm a Christian. There is no wondering on their part.

FWIW, I don't care for the continual attempt to sideline the discussion like that, but the idea that wearing a crucifix rather than a cross minus corpus will surely signal that the wearer is a Christian whereas wearing a cross doesn't do that is just ridiculous.

Everyone here knows Baptists or Pentecostal Christians or Presbyterians, etc.--mainly women--who wear a plain cross of silver or gold on a nice necklace because they are Christians, not because it is a good looking design.

Consider also how many 'young toughs' like to wear a rosary around their necks. Do you imagine, upon seeing this display, that they're asserting their dedication to the Catholic church or faith? What a joke.

 

[tango]

I wear neither. I don't like things hanging around my neck.

 

[Faith]

Unfortunately, I think for SOME, it's just a piece of jewelry and doesn't mean a thing.



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True.

 

[Faith]

That statement wasn't even close to saying people are being forced to do wear a bare cross. It was an expansion upon what you said in an earlier post that touched on intention VS. perception.

There's a reason behind what you do and there's a reaction to what you have chosen to do. The bare cross is a fashion statement as I've said and as Josiah has said. It's worn by people with no religious affiliation, to them it just looks good.

You're assuming that everyone who sees your bare cross will know you're a Christian and that's just not the case. Now, when they see a crucifix, they may not know which denomination of Christian I am, but they know I'm a Christian. There is no wondering on their part.

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I’m Lutheran and wear both, though not at the same time. Now I have my Crucifix on.

 

[zecryphon_nomdiv]

FWIW, I don't care for the continual attempt to sideline the discussion like that, but the idea that wearing a crucifix rather than a cross minus corpus will surely signal that the wearer is a Christian whereas wearing a cross doesn't do that is just ridiculous.

Everyone here knows Baptists or Pentecostal Christians or Presbyterians, etc.--mainly women--who wear a plain cross of silver or gold on a nice necklace because they are Christians, not because it is a good looking design.

Consider also how many 'young toughs' like to wear a rosary around their necks. Do you imagine, upon seeing this display, that they're asserting their dedication to the Catholic church or faith? What a joke.

"FWIW, I don't care for the continual attempt to sideline the discussion like that, but the idea that wearing a crucifix rather than a cross minus corpus will surely signal that the wearer is a Christian whereas wearing a cross doesn't do that is just ridiculous."

It isn't ridiculous when it's a well-known fact that people who are not Christian are wearing the bare cross as a fashion statement and not a profession of faith.

"Everyone here knows Baptists or Pentecostal Christians or Presbyterians, etc.--mainly women--who wear a plain cross of silver or gold on a nice necklace because they are Christians, not because it is a good looking design."

Of course we do, but how does the world perceive that bare cross? They don't know that person's denomination like we do. So, they cam think it's a fashion statement, because they don't have all the facts.

"Consider also how many 'young toughs' like to wear a rosary around their necks. Do you imagine, upon seeing this display, that they're asserting their dedication to the Catholic church or faith? What a joke."

Gang members who wear the rosary are disrespecting the rosary. The rosary as well is not a fashion statement either. There is nothing humorous about this topic. The fact that you think my response is a joke, tells me that you aren't worth any more of my time.