Do you believe Jesus was a failure?

[kiwimac]

However you cut the words apart, the Pope was quite right. Jesus' life does seem a failure until you become a follower.

 

[pinacled]

However you cut the words apart, the Pope was quite right. Jesus' life does seem a failure until you become a follower.

First l have to be clear. For me to be critical is for the defense of the body. Humanly speaking the body of Christ is the land we seek to inherit in faith.

Forgive me for bringing up class warfare. I jumped from a to y in my earlier response.

As per the op we must be vigilant. And during apparent need, seeds must be called into error. And the seed that is subject to many is what the op has brought to this forums attention.

And plant a seed is what has been done by this popes address.

Humanly speaking I am a sojourner in a strange land. When I see the victory of the cross the promise is made abuntant.

 

[Lamb]

However you cut the words apart, the Pope was quite right. Jesus' life does seem a failure until you become a follower.

I agree with you those who don't follow Jesus think of him as a failure but I thought the Pope was addressing believers? That's why I'm trying to wrap my head around it because it seems as if he's saying we might see him as a failure when we fail...but I wished the pope would have continued on and say that No, Jesus didn't fail.

 

[Josiah]

In his Sept. 24 vespers homily at St. Patrick’s Cathedral, addressing a group of priests and religious, Pope Francis said:

We can get caught up measuring the value of our apostolic works by the standards of efficiency, good management, and outward success which govern the business world.

Not that these things are unimportant!

We have been entrusted with a great responsibility, and God’s people rightly expect accountability from us.

But the true worth of our apostolate is measured by the value it has in God’s eyes.

To see and evaluate things from God’s perspective calls for constant conversion in the first days and years of our vocation and, need I say, it calls for great humility.

The cross shows us a different way of measuring success.

Ours is to plant the seeds: God sees to the fruits of our labors.

And if at times our efforts and works seem to fail and produce no fruit, we need to remember that we are followers of Jesus . . . and his life, humanly speaking, ended in failure, in the failure of the cross.

The Pope's observations is a large part of why I left that denomination. And while I applaud him for saying that, I'm extremely confident the entirely of that denomination will make his call unheard.

But that doesn't diminish the value of his words. For all of us.




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[visionary]

I don't think any true believer should ever say He is a failure...

 

[Lamb]

I don't think any true believer should every say He is a failure...

I agree. I do think that people can go through hard times and their faith can falter. It's sad when that happens.