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Did the Jewish prisoner who wrote this go to hell?

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So much for free will...
I'm not understanding how this relates to free will, could you explain your thinking more?

BTW, good to see you back again.
 

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I'm not understanding how this relates to free will, could you explain your thinking more?

BTW, good to see you back again.
If all MUST come in front of Jesus for judgement, there is no free will, because some people would exercise their free will to refuse to come before Jesus for judgement. Moreover, if free will ends after our physical death, then free will was merely a curse on humanity because it brought suffering.
 

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If all MUST come in front of Jesus for judgement, there is no free will, because some people would exercise their free will to refuse to come before Jesus for judgement. Moreover, if free will ends after our physical death, then free will was merely a curse on humanity because it brought suffering.
Actually, if you think deeply enough about it, it was man's ill advised use of the God given free will he had that brought human suffering, we had a choice to follow God's directions and get the resulting blessings of it or follow our own and get the results, which can hardly be called blessings, of doing that instead.

Free will only applies to the living, not the dead. After your death you have no free will, no choice in what your future holds or ability to change it.

That's the way I see it, but I am also aware that people have debating this for thousands of years without a definite consensus emerging from that debate.

When you contemplate such things, do you try to argue it within yourself from all angles and examine all points of view to form your own opinion?

It's one of the more interesting discussions we can have, whether it be as a Christian or a Secular or a whatever.
 
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