Did Christ die for them that are perishing ?

[brightfame52]

So now you are calling the word of God error.

That is rather bold of you.

No your comments apart from the scriptures.

 

[Lil Mikey]

Why not go back to what I had said earlier.

The bible is clear that Christ died for All 1Ti_2:6, The WHOLE WORLD 1Jn_2:2, SINNERS Rom_5:8, The UNGODLY Rom_5:6.

Christ died even those that are perishing because they have rejected the only means of their salvation.

Now you can try to dance around these truths but then you have to deny the clear word of God.

Brightframe52 had asked what makes the difference between those that are saved and those that perish.

The answer is obvious, FAITH in the risen Christ. While the death of Christ made salvation possible for all we are only saved through the risen Christ.

1Co 15:17 and if Christ has not been raised, your faith is worthless; you are still in your sins.

Rom 5:10 For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life.

So that is what the discussion needs to revolve around.
Were the words of God not clear enough?
It seems that you think those words could have a different meaning.

As for Wittgenstein and the way he addressed the subject I really do not care and I have never even heard of him.

My focus is the word of God.

 

[Lil Mikey]

No your comments apart from the scriptures.

Scripture supports my comments.

I do note that you do not provide any scripture to counter the verses I posted or the comments I made.

So what we have is just your opinion.

I will trust the word of God and not your opinion.

 

[brightfame52]

Scripture supports my comments.

No they dont, not even close

 

[Lil Mikey]

No they dont, not even close

I have read enough of your posts to see that you just give your opinion without any support.

So it just shows you are a hollow drum that just makes noise.

 

[brightfame52]

I have read enough of your posts to see that you just give your opinion without any support.

So r u saying I didnt use any scriptures in making my posts ?

 

[Lil Mikey]

So r u saying I didnt use any scriptures in making my posts ?

Have you used any when responding to me?

You ignore clear scripture or dismiss it as error.

Your comments point to you having a flawed view of the word of God.

 

[brightfame52]

Because I live, ye shall live also ! 2


Jesus here was speaking as the Head of His Body the Church, and their Surety Mediator, and what goes for Him, goes for them, and Like He was raised from the dead, after having died for their sins against God, they also must be raised from the dead and walk in the Newness of Life, Paul's Doctrine here Rom 6:4-5

4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:

We partake of the Likeness of His Resurrection [if we died together with him] by our New Birth from the dead, or being made alive from the dead Eph 2:5

5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved)

That word quickened means to make alive ! You see, there's no such thing as Christ dying for one, raised for one, and that one not being made alive[from spiritual death] as a result of it !

Just as He was made alive or raised from the dead [as our Head, Representative, and Surety], we also together with Him, have been raised or made alive in Him !

Thats why Peter said 1 Pet 1:3

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

Remember Christ is said to be begotten from the dead here Rev 1:5

And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of or from the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. To him who loves us, and has washed us from our sins in his blood, Darby

Ps 2:7

I will declare the decree: the Lord hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

This speaks to His Resurrection Per Acts 13:33

God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee.

So those He died for, they also together with Him, as He was begotten from the Dead, on their behalf, they were also, as Peter makes clear 1 Pet 1:3 !

Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

We were begotten again by the Resurrection of Christ from the dead !

This proves our union with Christ when He died for us, and when He rose again for us, and this union is made manifest in time at the time of our personal new birth, when we are experimentally made to walk in the newness of Life because of it ! That would constitute our own personal new birth in this life !

The only way one for whom Christ died does not experience a new birth is if Christ Himself was not raised from the Dead, and that's the God's Truth, If He lived, they for whom He died shall live also, to the Glory of God ! 44

 

[brightfame52]

Justification of Life Rom 5:18


Rom 5:18

18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

False teachers use this scripture to impose the lie that Christ died for all without exception, but in reality this verse tells us why it cannot possibly teach that, in so much as it teaches one of the consequences of the death of Christ for them He died for, which is Justification of Life. Its the result of the Righteousness of One, that One being summed up in the Person and Work of Jesus Christ !

This scripture informs us that all those Christ Lived and died for, receive as a consequential free gift, Justification of Life, and or Life [spiritual and eternal]because of their Justification by the Life and death of Jesus Christ !

All for whom Christ died for their offences/sins, He was raised again from that death for their Justification, so testifies scripture Rom 4:25

25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification. This Justification is that of Rom 5:18 also !

Its the word dikaiōsis and means:


I.the act of God declaring men free from guilt and acceptable to him


II.abjuring to be righteous, justification

Listen, Christ's Resurrection from the dead from having died for those He was delivered unto death for their sins, His Resurrection was Gods declaring of them Righteous, declaring them free from guilt, and now acceptable to Him,

And Rom 5:18 adds the dimension that all whom this has been done for, receive Life , hence its called Justification of Life ! In other words, out of this Justification, out of this being now declared free from Guilt, comes Life !

Well then, as one man’s trespass [one man’s false step and falling away led] to condemnation for all men, so one Man’s act of righteousness [leads] to acquittal and right standing with God and life for all men.AMP

If Christ was raised from the dead after having died for our sins, it leads to us having/receiving Life as a result of it ! 44

 

[brightfame52]

Justification of Life Rom 5:18 2


They receive Life because the reason for their death, to include spiritual death which is sins wages Rom 6:23

23 For the wages of sin, offence, transgression, trespass is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

The gift here is also that which is stated in Rom 5:18

18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

Also stated as the free gift in Vs 16

And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.

The reason for death, sin has been put away by the sacrifice of Christ Heb 9:26

For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.

Now their sins being put away, spiritual death for them must also be put away, or as Paul says it here abolished 2 Tim 1:10

10 But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:

That word abolished katargeō means to:


I.to render idle, unemployed, inactivate, inoperative

A.to cause a person or thing to have no further efficiency


B.to deprive of force, influence, power



II.to cause to cease, put an end to, do away with, annul, abolish

A.to cease, to pass away, be done away


B.to be severed from, separated from, discharged from, loosed from any one


C.to terminate all intercourse with one

Christ's death, put away death, discharged from death, loosed from death, all for whom He died and arose, and the evidence is by giving Life to them,

Hence all for whom He died are quickened or given life while dead in sins Eph 2:1,5

And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;

5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved)

Christ gives each one He died for Life by His Spirit Jn 6:63

63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

The Spirit does this quickening through the Mediation of Christ 1 Cor 15:45

45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

So now listen and understand, the All men of Rom 5:18 that Justification of Life came upon, must also receive as confirmation and evidence of their sins being put away by Christ Heb 9:26, Life, and that means Spiritual life from being dead in sins, there is simply no way around it, if they dont, the fault must lie in the death of Christ, it must not have put away their sins before Gods Law and Justice , which we know it is not the case, because it did put away their sins, the Resurrection proves it !