Church... A word of pagan origin -

[Alithis]

Now you've finally posted the truth about why you hate "church".

As tango points out, not all churches are about that so it's no reason to try to convince others that all churches are BAD and no one should go to them.

I go to a small church with an older crowd. I never hear a sermon on money. I never hear a sermon on control. I hear tons of JESUS OUR SAVIOR and the forgiveness of sins. I'm fed by God's Word. That's something that some people who refuse to go to church do not get.

i must laugh ..
we are discussing the word 'church" and the real meaning of the word ecclesia .. and you dive in with accusations of hate ? how very odd . are you angry ?
i would guess it is likely you have never heard a sermon on repentance or obedience or righteous living or the great commission either by the response you give to those topics .. your building and sytem which you abide in are not JESUS .. we do not obey him by obeying your system and building and the men who run it .. we obey him by DOING what he tells us to do .

have you noticed that neither the lord Jesus nor the apostles later ever taught us, told us ,or commanded us to go to a building on a Sunday for 2 hours ... - so where does that man made tradition come from..oh i just answered it ,it is man made . thus it is following man , not god . -interesting isn't it

 

[Alithis]

I wasn't aware of it upsetting people. Language evolves, and in modern English "church" can mean both the building and the people who gather within the building. The leadership at the church I attended for years was very keen to stress, particularly through the major renovation project we did, that "church" was the people rather than the building. The church I attend now doesn't always meet in the church building. It does most Sundays but every once in a while we meet elsewhere, or a few of us will meet elsewhere while a regular Sunday service goes on as normal.

again //you say "church" can mean both the building and the people who gather within the building.

but the actual word in the scriptures is ecclessia .. and it means neither the building nor people gathered "in" a building .. it means those called out and gathered "assembled" unto god . god is not a building . though the way some defend the building and system, i wager it is "their ' god . but then that would be idolatry .

 

[Lamb]

again //you say "church" can mean both the building and the people who gather within the building.

but the actual word in the scriptures is ecclessia .. and it means neither the building nor people gathered "in" a building .. it means those called out and gathered "assembled" unto god . god is not a building . though the way some defend the building and system, i wager it is "their ' god . but then that would be idolatry .

Since we speak English, it's perfectly acceptable for us to use church in multiple ways.

 

[Lamb]

i must laugh ..
we are discussing the word 'church" and the real meaning of the word ecclesia .. and you dive in with accusations of hate ? how very odd . are you angry ?
i would guess it is likely you have never heard a sermon on repentance or obedience or righteous living or the great commission either by the response you give to those topics .. your building and sytem which you abide in are not JESUS .. we do not obey him by obeying your system and building and the men who run it .. we obey him by DOING what he tells us to do .

have you noticed that neither the lord Jesus nor the apostles later ever taught us, told us ,or commanded us to go to a building on a Sunday for 2 hours ... - so where does that man made tradition come from..oh i just answered it ,it is man made . thus it is following man , not god . -interesting isn't it

Nice. Well, actually not nice. You really do enjoy getting your digs in on people, Alithis? I'll just let this stand here so people can see YOUR true nature of behavior.

I was not angry with my post. My post said nothing of my emotions. Going to "church" is not forbidden by God.

 

[Alithis]

Since we speak English, it's perfectly acceptable for us to use church in multiple ways.

Of course... But that is because you think its all about a hierachy And a building.
Its what the hierachy at the building has told you. Your followers of the hierachy at the building.

 

[Lamb]

Of course... But that is because you think its all about a hierachy And a building.
Its what the hierachy at the building has told you. Your followers of the hierachy at the building.

Please don't try to put words in my mouth. I never mentioned a hierarchy.

 

[Alithis]

Nice. Well, actually not nice. You really do enjoy getting your digs in on people, Alithis? I'll just let this stand here so people can see YOUR true nature of behavior.

I was not angry with my post. My post said nothing of my emotions. Going to "church" is not forbidden by God.

The ecclesia ..those called out and assembeld unto him ..are his body. We dont go to thr body we are the body.
But i know full well how this is difficult to percieve ..iv been there. But in the end ,for me,it came down to listening to God.. We /I ,will stand before him to give an account for our own lives. And i dont want to stand there knowing i simply followed the crowd and nother heard his voice nor followed him.

 

[MoreCoffee]

The ecclesia ..those called out and assembeld unto him ..are his body. We dont go to thr body we are the body.
But i know full well how this is difficult to percieve ..iv been there. But in the end ,for me,it came down to listening to God.. We /I ,will stand before him to give an account for our own lives. And i dont want to stand there knowing i simply followed the crowd and nother heard his voice nor followed him.

It is hard to be a body if you refuse to assemble.

 

[Lamb]

It is hard to be a body if you refuse to assemble.

Nice point!

 

[tango]

lol it was a generalized conversational reply to you i was not stating anything .. , the point remains .. the word church denotes time,place .building .object .. the word ecclesia which is the actual word in the original text ,, never means any of those things .

not sure why that upsets some folks .. but it dos all the same .. , odd

You keep making the same statement over and over again but without providing any indication as to how, or even whether, it is relevant.

The people who gather in the name of Christ choose to gather in a particular place, specifically a building large enough to accommodate everybody. Some groups meet in a building we'd call a church, some meet in a school hall, some meet in a village hall. If we are to gather, to come together, we need a venue. If we don't come together and meet we aren't much of a gathering, and if we do we need somewhere large enough for us to come together. I don't know about your place but I'd struggle to put 18 people in my living room let alone 100 people, so a church meeting in my house isn't going to work very well. Hey, maybe we could find somewhere a bit bigger to meet so we're not sitting in each others' laps. As luck would have it there's a building barely a mile away with a nice big meeting room in it. That would work pretty well as a place for us to come together, no?

Honestly, all I can see is another strawman argument that relies on putting words into someone's mouth and then arguing with them. You're relentlessly focussing on one meaning of the word "church", ignoring the other meaning, and then fussing over how the first one is all wrong.

ETA: Just a formal credit to MoreCoffee for first mentioning the notion that we're not much of a body if we don't assemble somewhere. Sorry MC, I thought I'd mentioned you already

 

[amadeois]

Need to pay attention to this:

https://www.ted.com/talks/julia_gal...t_even_if_you_re_wrong/transcript?language=en

Do it with an open mind.

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[Lamb]

Need to pay attention to this:

https://www.ted.com/talks/julia_gal...t_even_if_you_re_wrong/transcript?language=en

Do it with an open mind.

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There isn't a single piece of scripture from the Holy Bible on that link that I can see. Did you provide the wrong link?

 

[MoreCoffee]

Need to pay attention to this:

https://www.ted.com/talks/julia_gal...t_even_if_you_re_wrong/transcript?language=en

Do it with an open mind.

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The TED talk is okay. Passion for truth ought to trump prejudices and every lie that presents itself as truth. I wonder why that happens so infrequently in discussions among Christians of differing traditions. I see many posts written about what I allegedly believe written by people who are completely convinced that they know and when I show them what the Catholic Church teaches they completely ignore it and continue propagating incorrect views (lies) as truth. For myself I try to let others tell their own story of beliefs and practises. If, for example, I wonder what Lutherans believe on a topic I ask them to tell us.

 

[Alithis]

The TED talk is okay. Passion for truth ought to trump prejudices and every lie that presents itself as truth. I wonder why that happens so infrequently in discussions among Christians of differing traditions. I see many posts written about what I allegedly believe written by people who are completely convinced that they know and when I show them what the Catholic Church teaches they completely ignore it and continue propagating incorrect views (lies) as truth. For myself I try to let others tell their own story of beliefs and practices. If, for example, I wonder what Lutherans believe on a topic I ask them to tell us.

when I show them what the Catholic Church teaches ........... <------- that is the problem . it seldom matches what the bible teaches beyond the titles line -the further in you go the less bible it is . so we ignore it as we are not followers of rome -but of Christ

 

[MoreCoffee]

when I show them what the Catholic Church teaches ...

But it is evident from what you post that you do not know what the Catholic Church teaches. You present lies as if they were the truth. Your posts are inaccurate at best and dreadfully prejudiced and untrue very often.

 

[Alithis]

But it is evident from what you post that you do not know what the Catholic Church teaches. You present lies as if they were the truth. Your posts are inaccurate at best and dreadfully prejudiced and untrue very often.

oh we know what they tech .. you just told us .."your posting it ALL the time ".. so i know it may seem to agree at the title ..but i also know the further you delve into it the MORE it is opposed to the scriptures and the words of the lord Jesus .. thanks for posting it so we know that and can avoid it .

 

[Lamb]

The TED talk is okay. Passion for truth ought to trump prejudices and every lie that presents itself as truth. I wonder why that happens so infrequently in discussions among Christians of differing traditions. I see many posts written about what I allegedly believe written by people who are completely convinced that they know and when I show them what the Catholic Church teaches they completely ignore it and continue propagating incorrect views (lies) as truth. For myself I try to let others tell their own story of beliefs and practises. If, for example, I wonder what Lutherans believe on a topic I ask them to tell us.

Yes, you're good for that (asking what people believe instead of trying to tell them a twisted lie as others do).

If people want to know what happens in a Catholic church, don't ask a former disgruntled Catholic (no offense to them), ask a current Catholic. If people want to know what happens in a Lutheran church, don't surmise and tell people they don't teach about Jesus when it's ALL focused on Him.

 

[Alithis]

Yes, you're good for that (asking what people believe instead of trying to tell them a twisted lie as others do).

If people want to know what happens in a Catholic church, don't ask a former disgruntled Catholic (no offense to them), ask a current Catholic. If people want to know what happens in a Lutheran church, don't surmise and tell people they don't teach about Jesus when it's ALL focused on Him.

lol we don't need to ask ,morecoffe tells us .. then we read the bible and see hmmm it doesn't match

 

[Lamb]

lol we don't need to ask ,morecoffe tells us .. then we read the bible and see hmmm it doesn't match

His church is liturgical and that means that scripture is read throughout. That's God's Word. If you read the bible after attending his church you will see the scripture that is read throughout (and sung in the hymns too).

 

[George]

when I show them what the Catholic Church teaches ........... <------- that is the problem . it seldom matches what the bible teaches beyond the titles line -the further in you go the less bible it is . so we ignore it as we are not followers of rome -but of Christ

lol whatever boosts your confidence.

And I'm just gonna have to say this, but why is everyone up in arms over a word that's been used before Christianity, the word cross was used before Christ/ianity.