Christians should not hate skin colors

[Messy3]

No. You said in post #(41) that you find it wierd to say Jesus body was risen from the dead. In post #(37) you say you don't want to call His body Jewish. Yet I have showed you in (John 20:27) that Jesus body that was laid in the grave is the same that was resurrected. Therefore it is Jewish. So, you can clear it up now by acknowledging that the body of Jesus that was raised from the dead was Jewish. And that a Jewish Man sits at the right hand of God at this very moment.

You said in post #(50) that race is a real concept. Instead of race, in post #(44) , you want to use the term people groups. Thus my question to you, which you continue to ignore, is, did 'God' create the Jews as a distinct 'other people' or 'race'? Your answer that Jews are not a race is not an answer to my question. Please answer.

Ok. You don't know. Progress. Arabs are also semitic. Yet it's only attacks on the Jews that is called anti-semitic. Why? Because they recognize a distinction between Jew and Arab. Another people, as you like to say. Another race. Which begs another question. Did God create the Arab race...or the Arab 'other people'? Please answer instead of trying to avoid.

Lees

I just answered the last thing you asked:

And if it's the same body, then Jesus is still a Jew....correct? And, He, the God/Man will forever be a Jew....correct?

I just find that weird to say cause He's God.


I already said you're right. He's still a descendant from Judah, so Jewish. It just sounded weird. Just like mother of God.

He created them as distinct other people? As a people group yes. They're the chosen people, but like they said in the link, that is not always because of them descending from Isaac, because when others who were Moabites or something joined the faith, they were also seen as offspring from Abraham.

By the way Isaac, that's also Israelites who totally mixed up with the nations. Unrecognizable who is who, yet there will be 12.000 from every tribe in the 7 years.

 

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[Messy3]

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That's weird. I get those same pics. White women are only happy with a black guy.
It doesn't do that when I type white in Dutch.

 

[Lees]

Well, it was the same body, but it was sufficiently glorified that neither John nor the two disciples who had earlier walked with Jesus for miles on the road to Emmaus could recognize their Lord right away. His body obviously had been changed.

No wonder you don't give the Scripture. No wonder Messy3 agrees.

The two disciples on the road to Emmaus didn't recognize Jesus becasue their eyes were affected. (Luke 24:16) (24:31)

Lees

 

[Lees]

I just answered the last thing you asked:


I just find that weird to say cause He's God.


I already said you're right. He's still a descendant from Judah, so Jewish. It just sounded weird. Just like mother of God.

He created them as distinct other people? As a people group yes. They're the chosen people, but like they said in the link, that is not always because of them descending from Isaac, because when others who were Moabites or something joined the faith, they were also seen as offspring from Abraham.

By the way Isaac, that's also Israelites who totally mixed up with the nations. Unrecognizable who is who, yet there will be 12.000 from every tribe in the 7 years.

I asked you if God created the Arabs as another people group? As a race? I don't see any answer. The answer is yes God created the Arab race. (Gen. 17:20)

So we have God creating the Jewish race, people group. A distinct people group. And we have God creating the Arab race, people group. A distinct people group. And God characterized the nature of the Arab race. (Gen. 16:11-12) My oh my, how true we see of that today.

Therefore the various races of man are not nonsense as you like to say. They are created by God. And the various races carry their own nature and characteristics.

Others, such as Ruth who was of Moab, identified with the God of Israel and was a believer. That proves that others could be saved outside of Israel. It doesn't prove that the Jews were not the distinct race created and chosen by God. All of the saved become offspring of Abraham. But they don't become Jewish unless they are born physically as a Jew.

Lees

 

[Messy3]

No wonder you don't give the Scripture. No wonder Messy3 agrees.

The two disciples on the road to Emmaus didn't recognize Jesus becasue their eyes were affected. (Luke 24:16) (24:31)

Lees

Lol that's why I skipped that text. I wanted to post it, but I thought: no then he'll say their eyes were affected. The one from Revelation was clearer.

 

[Lees]

Lol that's why I skipped that text. I wanted to post it, but I thought: no then he'll say their eyes were affected. The one from Revelation was clearer.

No, Scripture says their eyes were affected. Not me. (Luke 24:16) (24:31)

As for (Revelation 1:11-17), John saw Christ in all His glory which resulted in his discriptions of Him.

Lees

 

[Messy3]

I asked you if God created the Arabs as another people group? As a race? I don't see any answer. The answer is yes God created the Arab race. (Gen. 17:20)

So we have God creating the Jewish race, people group. A distinct people group. And we have God creating the Arab race, people group. A distinct people group. And God characterized the nature of the Arab race. (Gen. 16:11-12) My oh my, how true we see of that today.

Therefore the various races of man are not nonsense as you like to say. They are created by God. And the various races carry their own nature and characteristics.

Others, such as Ruth who was of Moab, identified with the God of Israel and was a believer. That proves that others could be saved outside of Israel. It doesn't prove that the Jews were not the distinct race created and chosen by God. All of the saved become offspring of Abraham. But they don't become Jewish unless they are born physically as a Jew.

Lees

Of course God created those groups. They're just not races. Not in the sense of same characteristics if you even call that races. They all look different, because they're mixed. Not purebred as Hitler would say. It amazes me that you think it's a normal word you can just use. Here since WWII you don't say that. My former racist grandpa (he did get saved eventually), himself partly Jewish and from Surinam, would go check my mom to see if she was a purebred Aryan. Are your earlobes attached to your face, how big is your nose. And her whole family was just Dutch. So you don't call Jews a race and they are not. They just descend from Judah.
What I find way more interesting is real DNA differences between human species, those other homo's and Neanderthals. Were those the Nephilim? Does that explain this:
Angus MacAskill - Wikipedia ?
My sister did a DNA test and she had Neanderthal genes.

 

[Messy3]

No, Scripture says their eyes were affected. Not me. (Luke 24:16) (24:31)

As for (Revelation 1:11-17), John saw Christ in all His glory which resulted in his discriptions of Him.

Lees

and He was transfigured before them. His face shone like the sun, and His clothes became as white as the light.
Matthew 17:2 NKJV

Matthew 17:2 and He was transfigured before them. His face shone like the sun, and His clothes became as white as the light. | New King James Version (NKJV) | Download The Bible App Now

and He was transfigured before them. His face shone like the sun, and His clothes became as white as the light.

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Even before He got raised. He could also walk on water btw. But it does sound different.

 

[Lees]

Of course God created those groups. They're just not races. Not in the sense of same characteristics if you even call that races. They all look different, because they're mixed. Not purebred as Hitler would say. It amazes me that you think it's a normal word you can just use. Here since WWII you don't say that. My former racist grandpa, himself partly Jewish and from Surinam, would go check my mom to see if she was a purebred Aryan. Are your earlobes attached to your face, how big is your nose. And her whole family was just Dutch. So you don't call Jews a race and they are not. They just descend from Judah.
What I find way more interesting is real DNA differences between human species, those other homo's and Neanderthals. Were those the Nephilim? Does that explain this:
Angus MacAskill - Wikipedia ?

That there is race mixing doesn't prove your point. It just proves there is race mixing. But the races of mankind began with God. The distinction of people began with God. Division of people began with God. See (Gen. 9:24-27)

Distinct races, other people groups, are from God. Thus race is not nonsense as you like to say.

Lees

 

[Messy3]

That there is race mixing doesn't prove your point. It just proves there is race mixing. But the races of mankind began with God. The distinction of people began with God. Division of people began with God. See (Gen. 9:24-27)

Distinct races, other people groups, are from God. Thus race is not nonsense as you like to say.

Lees

Nowhere in the Bible it says races. That's a thing people made up.

Then he said: “Cursed be Canaan; A servant of servants He shall be to his brethren.” And he said: “Blessed be the Lord, The God of Shem, And may Canaan be his servant. May God enlarge Japheth, And may he dwell in the tents of Shem; And may Canaan be his servant.”
Genesis 9:25‭-‬27 NKJV

Genesis 9:25-27 Then he said: “Cursed be Canaan; A servant of servants He shall be to his brethren.” And he said: “Blessed be the LORD, The God of Shem, And may Canaan be his servant. May God enlarge Japheth, And may | New King James Version (NKJV) |

Then he said: “Cursed be Canaan; A servant of servants He shall be to his brethren.” And he said: “Blessed be the LORD, The God of Shem, And may Canaan be his servant. May God enlarge Japheth, And may

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The offspring from Canaan are the Canaanites who had giants and they refused to repent, so they got killed or driven out.

Uncovering the Bible’s Buried Civilizations: The Canaanites

Investigating the people Israel encountered in the Promised Land

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That is of course no reason to make slaves from black people. Those racists just used this text to do what they wanted.

Oh that reminds me. You say God created these groups. Did He create the Moabites? He did create Ruth, but you can't say He wanted Lot's daughters to rape their dad.
Its more like they do what they want and He works with it anyway and turns it into good.

 

[Lees]

Nowhere in the Bible it says races. That's a thing people made up.

Then he said: “Cursed be Canaan; A servant of servants He shall be to his brethren.” And he said: “Blessed be the Lord, The God of Shem, And may Canaan be his servant. May God enlarge Japheth, And may he dwell in the tents of Shem; And may Canaan be his servant.”
Genesis 9:25‭-‬27 NKJV

The offspring from Canaan are the Canaanites who had giants and they refused to repent, so they got killed or driven out.


That is of course no reason to make slaves from black people. Those racists just used this text to do what they wanted.

Oh that reminds me. You say God created these groups. Did He create the Moabites? He did create Ruth, but you can't say He wanted Lot's daughters to rape their dad.
Its more like they do what they want and He works with it anyway and turns it into good.

If there is no such thing as race, quite calling people racist's. At least be true to your own belief. Call them 'other peopleists', or 'other groupists'.

The origins of race are found in Noah's three sons, Shem, Ham, and Japheth. (Gen. 9:24-27) You can call it whatever you like.

All races, or other people groups, come from one of these, including the Moabites. And the distinctions made by God which characterize certain races, are given also in (Gen. 24:27).

Lees

 

[Messy3]

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If I'm wrong and there really are races and how they look is because of Denisovans and such and those were nephilim, then God didn't create that, but the fallen angels.

 

[Lees]

If I'm wrong and there really are races and how they look is because of Denisovans and such and those were nephilim, then God didn't create that, but the fallen angels.

The races of man must come from Adam.

Lees

 

[Albion]

No wonder you don't give the Scripture. No wonder Messy3 agrees.

Because we understand Scripture better than you do?

The two disciples on the road to Emmaus didn't recognize Jesus becasue their eyes were affected. (Luke 24:16) (24:31)

Lees

While it might be possible to take that meaning from the verse you referred to, Bible authorities point out that it's an expression that doesn't mean there was anything wrong with their eyes but rather that they were kept from recognizing Jesus.

And what of John whom Christ told to put his fingers into the wounds he suffered in crucifixion? Your theory doesn't hold there. It also doesn't hold in the case of Mary of Magdala and the various people with the fishermen and those referred to in several other verses. Take a look, for example, at Mark 16:12 which explains more plainly what was happening in all these instances...and it wasn't that there was something wrong with all these people's eyes!

12 After that he appeared in another form unto two of them, as they walked, and went into the country.

 

[Lamb]

The races of man must come from Adam.

Lees

Well, all humans on this planet come from Adam and Eve.

 

[Lees]

Because we understand Scripture better than you do?

While it might be possible to take that meaning from the verse you referred to, Bible authorities point out that it's an expression that doesn't mean there was anything wrong with their eyes but rather that they were kept from recognizing Jesus.

And what of John whom Christ told to put his fingers into the wounds he suffered in crucifixion? Your theory doesn't hold there. It also doesn't hold in the case of Mary of Magdala and the various people with the fishermen and those referred to in several other verses. Take a look, for example, at Mark 16:12 which explains more plainly what was happening in all these instances...and it wasn't that there was something wrong with all these people's eyes!

12 After that he appeared in another form unto two of them, as they walked, and went into the country.

Well, that is the point of what I said. In (Luke 24:16) (24:31) the disciples didn't recognize Jesus because their eyes were affected. It wasn't because Jesus was in another body different then the body He bore on earth.

As for (Mark 16:12) 'he appeared in another form' speaks to a different appearance then when Jesus appeared to Mary Magdalene. (Mark 16:9) (Mark 16:12) says nothing about how the appearance was implemented. Nor does it say how Jesus revealed Himself again to them.

(Luke 24:16) says how the different appearance was implemented. "Behold their eyes were holden that they should not know him." And it says how His true identity was revealed. (Luke 24:31) "And their eyes were opened, and they knew him...."

The point being, the Resurrected Christ, was the same Christ, with the same Body, that walked the earth.

(John 20:27) says it was Thomas who Christ told to put His fingers in His wounds that He suffered during the Crufixion. Just what 'theory' are you saying I am presenting?

(John 20:27) proves that the Body Jesus bore on earth, is the same body that was Resurrected. Just what 'theory' are you presenting?

Lees

 

[Lees]

Well, all humans on this planet come from Adam and Eve.

I agree, and have never said otherwise.

Lees

 

[Messy3]

Well, that is the point of what I said. In (Luke 24:16) (24:31) the disciples didn't recognize Jesus because their eyes were affected. It wasn't because Jesus was in another body different then the body He bore on earth.

As for (Mark 16:12) 'he appeared in another form' speaks to a different appearance then when Jesus appeared to Mary Magdalene. (Mark 16:9) (Mark 16:12) says nothing about how the appearance was implemented. Nor does it say how Jesus revealed Himself again to them.

(Luke 24:16) says how the different appearance was implemented. "Behold their eyes were holden that they should not know him." And it says how His true identity was revealed. (Luke 24:31) "And their eyes were opened, and they knew him...."

The point being, the Resurrected Christ, was the same Christ, with the same Body, that walked the earth.

(John 20:27) says it was Thomas who Christ told to put His fingers in His wounds that He suffered during the Crufixion. Just what 'theory' are you saying I am presenting?

(John 20:27) proves that the Body Jesus bore on earth, is the same body that was Resurrected. Just what 'theory' are you presenting?

Lees

His own body was resurrected, but it changed and became a new body, spiritual or heavenly, but not just a spirit, because He could eat and Thomas could put his hand in His wounds, that cannot die, just like our bodies will be changed. They won't stay like this.

 

[Lees]

His own body was resurrected, but it changed and became a new body, spiritual or heavenly, but not just a spirit, because He could eat and Thomas could put his hand in His wounds, that cannot die, just like our bodies will be changed. They won't stay like this.

The body Jesus had before the Resurrection was also a 'spiritual' and 'heavenly body'. Wasn't it? (Luke 1:35) How could it not be when the Holy Ghost was busy creating that holy thing?

The change between our bodies now and our bodies when resurrected is that once resurrected we will be flesh and bone. No blood. (Luke 24:39) And we will be glorified. (Rom. 8:30)

Same bodies but resurrected, fit for eternity. You will look like you.

Lees