Be HOLY for I am HOLY- 1 Peter 1:16

[popsthebuilder]

My holiness comes from Christ.

As does all.

Faith in selfless Unity for Good.

 

[popsthebuilder]

I did give support. But your tradition has blinded you. You are so certain that you must contribute in some way to your salvation that you do not understand how to rest in the finished work of Christ. You do not understand that there's nothing good in you, and that any good comes from Christ. You have rejected that truth.

You are very confused.

Faith in selfless Unity for Good.

 

[popsthebuilder]

They have, as revealed in scripture. Your works-based, man-centered arguments will not.

It is not works based. Good works are a byproduct of salvation through Christ. As Christ didn't walk in the sin of the flesh yet was of the flesh, so to are we to be walk, being saved and dead to sin, we can only walk in the spirit and teachings of Christ under God. Sacrificing fleshly sin of self is the only way to be reborn in Christ and wholly of the spirit in all you do. Not to boast of works. Not for anything but whole, complete submission unto God the father. You can worship in vain all you want. You cannot be of God and of sin. God will not know you or weigh you if you do. You will be cast out as chaff being burned for the new season.

Faith in selfless Unity for Good.

 

[Hammster]

It is not works based. Good works are a byproduct of salvation through Christ. As Christ didn't walk in the sin of the flesh yet was of the flesh, so to are we to be walk, being saved and dead to sin, we can only walk in the spirit and teachings of Christ under God. Sacrificing fleshly sin of self is the only way to be reborn in Christ and wholly of the spirit in all you do. Not to boast of works. Not for anything but whole, complete submission unto God the father. You can worship in vain all you want. You cannot be of God and of sin. God will not know you or weigh you if you do. You will be cast out as chaff being burned for the new season.

Faith in selfless Unity for Good.

I know that good works are a byproduct. That's what I was arguing for. MC would not agree.

 

[MoreCoffee]

I know that good works are a byproduct. That's what I was arguing for. MC would not agree.

What you said is that holiness is imputed. What I pointed out is that holiness something that the faithful do. Saint John the apostle also says that obeying Christ's commandments is what the faithful do. "If you keep my commandments you will remain in my love, just as I have kept my Father's commandments and remain in his love." (John 15:10 NJB)

 

[visionary]

Holy Presence is something so PURE that all sin melts like wax in its Presence. Isaiah cried out "Woe is me" and he fell to the ground throwing ashes on his head as unworthiness overwhelmed him. The soldiers fell backwards when Yeshua declared "I AM". Moses' hair turned as white as snow, and his face glowed after 40 days in His Holy Presence. And here we are thinking that we are going to skip, singing, and laughing our way through the pearly gates like it is no big deal.

I think that unless we have been in His Presence often, we are going to be shocked. Shocked enough and unprepared enough where we will be crying like the wicked ones who cry out "Rocks, fall on us." It is not God and His Wrath so much as it is the overwhelming self-condemnation that cause the contrast to seem so great. There will be a few who in the end get it and have been in His Presence often enough that when the day comes they will say "Lo, This is my God, I have waited for Him."

I would get real serious about "knowing" Him. Not in the superficial manner of claim it. But on my knees in prayer consistently until He grants you His Presence. I would be doing everything it takes to be in a position that could handle being in His Presence. Starting with Repentance... every little sinful thought gone, every sinful wrong repented of, every secret sin and little white lies including the ones you tell yourself "its ok." It is not. I would read up on everyone in scripture who tells of their encounter with God and what did they see, feel, hear, and understand so that you have a good idea what is the real Holy God and what is not.

Put your finger on Rev 3:20 and ask God to come "sup" with you. Ask Him what does it take to meet with Him. Let nothing stand between you and God. If God points something out, get rid of it. If God shows you something, fix it. Do whatever it takes to be able to stand in His Presence. It is worth everything to do this. Let's get real with your faith. Let's get serious.

 

[MoreCoffee]

No blood moons then?

 

[Alithis]

the righteousness of god is imputed by faith in Christ Jesus alone .

and being made righteous by faith we are now caled to be holy .. to be different .to be set apart .that is not imputed to us .
it is something we do because we are made the righteousness of God in Christ Jesus .

when a christian sits watching depraved filth like game of thrones for instance with the most vile demonic script and portrayal and not only watching it but being excited about it with other non christians the next day.are they being "holy unto God " ? they are neither being separated nor different from the spirit of the world around them .. no holiness is imputed to them .
to be holy we must allow the holy Spirit to work in us the nature of christ which then chooses to separate self from that which is even remotely sinful out of love for the lord God . there is nothing automatic about about obedience and thus nothing automatic about Holiness .
in christ we learn to die daily to the sinful nature of the flesh .displaying our love for him by our actions and not words only.
implying holiness is imputed while enacting all manner of unholiness is nothing more then hypocrisy IF that is what a person is doing .
Holiness unto the lord begins with Obedience .without the first there is none of the second .

 

[Alithis]

Holy Presence is something so PURE that all sin melts like wax in its Presence. Isaiah cried out "Woe is me" and he fell to the ground throwing ashes on his head as unworthiness overwhelmed him. The soldiers fell backwards when Yeshua declared "I AM". Moses' hair turned as white as snow, and his face glowed after 40 days in His Holy Presence. And here we are thinking that we are going to skip, singing, and laughing our way through the pearly gates like it is no big deal.

I think that unless we have been in His Presence often, we are going to be shocked. Shocked enough and unprepared enough where we will be crying like the wicked ones who cry out "Rocks, fall on us." It is not God and His Wrath so much as it is the overwhelming self-condemnation that cause the contrast to seem so great. There will be a few who in the end get it and have been in His Presence often enough that when the day comes they will say "Lo, This is my God, I have waited for Him."

I would get real serious about "knowing" Him. Not in the superficial manner of claim it. But on my knees in prayer consistently until He grants you His Presence. I would be doing everything it takes to be in a position that could handle being in His Presence. Starting with Repentance... every little sinful thought gone, every sinful wrong repented of, every secret sin and little white lies including the ones you tell yourself "its ok." It is not. I would read up on everyone in scripture who tells of their encounter with God and what did they see, feel, hear, and understand so that you have a good idea what is the real Holy God and what is not.

Put your finger on Rev 3:20 and ask God to come "sup" with you. Ask Him what does it take to meet with Him. Let nothing stand between you and God. If God points something out, get rid of it. If God shows you something, fix it. Do whatever it takes to be able to stand in His Presence. It is worth everything to do this. Let's get real with your faith. Let's get serious.

all i have been saying in this thread is resultant of being in his presence .. for all i thought was holiness in my life he has shown me is so far from holiness it has stunned me and made evident to me just how unholy we in the west live our lives .in such lukewarm filth is the truth .. and we blind ourselves in that murky filth and think we have all we need and are ok and cannot see any more how desperate our need has become ..
so i greatly appreciate what you have said here

 

[Hammster]

What you said is that holiness is imputed. What I pointed out is that holiness something that the faithful do. Saint John the apostle also says that obeying Christ's commandments is what the faithful do. "If you keep my commandments you will remain in my love, just as I have kept my Father's commandments and remain in his love." (John 15:10 NJB)

It's what the new creatures do. Those with new hearts. Sheep. The regenerate.

 

[MoreCoffee]

It's what the new creatures do. Those with new hearts. Sheep. The regenerate.

This who are in Christ; in the vine. Yet some who are in the vine do not bear fruit and are taken away, cast aside, and burned.

"Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit, He takes away; and every branch that bears fruit, He prunes it so that it may bear more fruit. (John 15:2 NASB)​

 

[Hammster]

This who are in Christ; in the vine. Yet some who are in the vine do not bear fruit and are taken away, cast aside, and burned.

"Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit, He takes away; and every branch that bears fruit, He prunes it so that it may bear more fruit. (John 15:2 NASB)​

You can use that, too. Those that bear fruit bear more fruit. Because of the vine, and not because of themselves.

 

[MoreCoffee]

You can use that, too. Those that bear fruit bear more fruit. Because of the vine, and not because of themselves.

Your posts worry themselves so much about ultimate causes and all quite unnecessarily because all the faithful acknowledge that it is grace that saves and grace that enables good works but I can see from your replies that you're not willing to deal with the subject of the commandment in the topic title.

 

[Hammster]

Your posts worry themselves so much about ultimate causes and all quite unnecessarily because all the faithful acknowledge that it is grace that saves and grace that enables good works but I can see from your replies that you're not willing to deal with the subject of the commandment in the topic title.

I did. I'm holy because I'm in Christ. Because of grace.

 

[MoreCoffee]

I did. I'm holy because I'm in Christ. Because of grace.

Are you holy; is it a finished task that needs no further effort?

 

[Hammster]

Are you holy; is it a finished task that needs no further effort?

The Father is still confirming me to the image of His Son, on one hand. On the other, I'm seated with Christ at the right hand of the Father.

So there's the now and not yet.

 

[MoreCoffee]

The Father is still confirming me to the image of His Son, on one hand. On the other, I'm seated with Christ at the right hand of the Father.

So there's the now and not yet.

Yes, the now is what we can see and experience and the not yet is what we hope for. Romans 8:22ff teach this.

 

[Hammster]

And this:

4 But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us,
5 even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ-by grace you have been saved-
6 and raised us up with him and seated us with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus,
7 so that in the coming ages he might show the immeasurable riches of his grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. - Ephesians 2:4-7

 

[Alithis]

when the lord receives us by faith in him he makes the vessel new .we leave off all others,cultures ,traditions, idols ,whatever , forsaking all else to then follow him.
making the vessel new he then infills it with the oil of his holy Spirit ..
if we have not got the oil of his holy Spirit i us we do not belong to him .

then he sets us apart as holy unto himself .. different from the world around us .

when we then take that cleaned new vessel and pour into it the things of the world . when we drink like the world and speak like the world and act like the world ,when we run after the things the world runs after .. we are prostituting that clean new vessel .. we are not caring for it,we are not holding the work of the holy Spirit within us in the highest esteem .
we are treating the new vessel he created us to be in Christ as some worldly cup of clay there is no reverence toward God who made it new , we desecrate the vessel in which he now chooses to dwell ..his new and eternal temple -IF we do these things . we take that which was set apart to be holy unto the lord and we make it unholy .
if we take that vessel and fil it with muddy worldly waters.. all we do is make its contents filthy and disdain the lord's work within us .

for he did not cleanse us so that we could run like a pig back into the mire nor as a dog to its vomit ..

as john bunyan wrote " see that both the wick and the wax of a candle is spent to maintain the flame ."
and so it is that holiness is maintained by the spending, the laying down of our lives of our lives to maintain that flame .